Davy
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The mark of the beast in reality is about being DECEIVED in the mind, and doing the work of the beast.
Revelation 13:12 says "everyone on earth, will be forced to worship the beast", does that mean everyone on earth needs to repent? (refuse to repent?)
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The mark of the beast in reality is about being DECEIVED in the mind, and doing the work of the beast.
I think about this a lot because in the end how does satan and his synagogue direct humanity in a religion that gives obeisance to the devil?
Will the elimination of worshipping the triune God be good enough? Every religion is anti- Christ if it does not accept the triune God.
Jehovah witnesses don't.
Seventh day Adventists don't
Hindus don't
jews don't ( but many people think that they worship the God of the Bible which would be impossible because they rejected Jesus Christ)
And one day soon if you are a Christian Zionist you will have to decide whether to worship Jesus Christ as Lord or obey the laws of the jewish world order that forbids " IDOLATRY" , as they believe Christians are idolators for believing in Christ.
Just getting everyone to think ahead. They are not going to be silent much longer. The more we expose, the more aggressive they will be . It's Biblical.
Oh I guess this is a " gotcha" moment perhaps. Maybe you say this in good faith. The SDA church is very heretical, even though they look very Biblical or Christian. Beware of them. They place their faith in the seventh day sabbath and make it equal in importance to Christ's atonement. They also believe that the writings and church doctrine of the woman who founded the church was divinely inspired. Like from God to Moses. No good.
You've said that they don't believe in the Trinity.
But they do.
Gotcha.
They're a recognized part of the Christian Church.
And no more heretical than those denominations subscribing to and espousing Darby Scofield dispensational futurism.
They do not believe that Ellen White's writings are equivalent to Scripture.
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"Sabbath" is Hebrew שבח (Shabat) = "Day of Rest," traditionally observed on Saturday.
Jesus was in the tomb three calendar days:
o. Friday evening
o. all Saturday
o. Sunday morning
"Three days" is noted by Jesus in Matthew 12:40:
"...so will the Son of man be *three days* and three nights in the heart of the earth." (Matthew 12:40)
In this reckoning any part of a 24-hour day is dubbed "day and night."
The Christian Church eventually changed to Sunday worship, celebrating the resurrection of our Savior. Thank you, Lord Jesus!
"Earth" (Revelation 12:2) is Greek γη = "land." There was no concept of planet earth in a biblical times.
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Spiritual Israelite
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Yeah, they believe in some false doctrine just like every church denomination does, including yours (I assume you are Lutheran). You should edit your post so that you stop slandering them by falsely claiming that they don't believe in the trinity even though they do.
The Catholic Church was holding things together in the Middle East
many years ago. Eventually some Catholics protested that the Pope was taking too much authority onto himself, and the "Protestant" denominations arose.
One such denomination is Seventh Day Adventist, founded by Ellen G. White. We have also Methodist, Baptist, Episcopalian, etc. One webpage says there are 41,000 Protestant denominations worldwide. Hard to fathom.
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"and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life." (Revelation 13:8)
"Earth" is Greek γη = "land." There was no concept of planet earth in Biblical times.
Those who dwell in the *land* will worship the beast, apparently thinking he is the promised Messiah, especially since he oversees reconstruction of the Jewish temple. But then the beast sits in the temple, pronouncing himself to be God. Not good!
See 2Thessalonians 2:3-4.
"Earth" is Greek γη = "land." There was no concept of planet earth in Biblical times.
Those who dwell in the *land* will worship the beast, apparently thinking he is the promised Messiah, especially since he oversees reconstruction of the Jewish temple. But then the beast sits in the temple, pronouncing himself to be God. Not good!
See 2Thessalonians 2:3-4.
"They do not believe that Ellen White's writings are equivalent to Scripture."You've said that they don't believe in the Trinity.
But they do.
Gotcha.
They're a recognized part of the Christian Church.
And no more heretical than those denominations subscribing to and espousing Darby Scofield dispensational futurism.
They do not believe that Ellen White's writings are equivalent to Scripture.
Yes they do. You are not allowed to disagree with her writings because they were "divinely inspired". Sorry, but they are more a cult than a denomination. The Christian churches of today have become apostate, with Scofield's Bible ( and the rabbis ) as the main culprit.
Sure I could edit my post. But in reality they reject the sufficiency in Jesus Christ by placing the Old Testament sabbath ( a ceremonial law which was abolished through the New Covenant) on the same level of importance as salvation itself. In other words, if you do not observe the OT sabbath your salvation is not complete. Very similar to Baptists with their teaching on baptism. It's Christ PLUS baptism..... Christ PLUS the seventh day and so on.
The SDA church is different than any "mainstream" denomination because they put the teachings of Ellen G. White on the same level of authority as the Bible ( and of course they will disagree with that). It's like Judaism. They profess using the Torah but their man made interpretation of it ( talmud ) has the ultimate authority. They certainly won't tell you that because we're supposed to be in a " Judeo- Christian" relationship.
I believe SDA holds to a trinity. I am not familiar with all their other teachings.
Spiritual Israelite
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How about you do that right now if you care about being honest and not misrepresenting what others believe.
I'm not interested in discussing all of that here. I simply am saying that you should not claim that they don't believe in the trinity even though they do.
I have specifically said that they believe in some false doctrines, so I don't need to be convinced of that. But, they do believe in the trinity. So, don't say otherwise.
In my honest opinion, one must look deep into the Genesis to get any spiritual perspective of Revelation.
There is so much symbolic content it's so very hard to interpret.
I'm still searching Genesis for answers I struggle with.
In Isaiah 46:8-10 it is written (NIV),
There is so much symbolic content it's so very hard to interpret.
I'm still searching Genesis for answers I struggle with.
In Isaiah 46:8-10 it is written (NIV),
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I could be wrong but you seem to be involved in that church/ cult. If I am wrong, then you aren't understanding that it doesn't matter what they say they believe about the Trinity, if they are leading people away from the sovereignty of Christ, His complete work on Calvary, They should be exposed. That's where I don't play "let's all get along".
Spiritual Israelite
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You are completely wrong. I just don't like to see anyone being falsely accused. As a Christian, you should feel the same, but the fact that you are willing to make false accusations against others makes me wonder about you.
It matters to tell the truth and not lie that they don't believe in the trinity, like you did. Does honesty and integrity mean anything to you?
I'm fine with exposing false doctrine, but I'm not fine with resorting to lies in order to make them look even worse. You shouldn't be, either.
Matthew 28:1 But after the Sabbath, at the dawning toward the first day of the week,
The Sunday Sabbath began immediately after Christ's resurrection. He has become our rest. The Old Testament Sabbath died once the New covenant began.
You're not understanding what I am saying. I'm not attacking them personally. I would never do that. But Jesus is not the author and finisher of faith in their teachings. The OT sabbath holds the key to their view of salvation. Are you getting it?
Spiritual Israelite
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Buddy, are you even trying to see the point? You lied and said they don't believe in the trinity. Why do you have no conscience about lying? You need to spend less time worrying about their false doctrines and more time figuring out why you think lying is okay.
When did I say I wanted to discuss their doctrines? I don't recall saying that. All I am saying is that you should not falsely accuse them of not believing in the trinity. I don't care if you want to expose their false doctrines, but not believing in the trinity is not one of them. Why are you not getting that?
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