Rev 14 has no gathering from heaven.
Zero.
Rev 14 is only showing the gathering from the earth. The Jews are gathered from the earth AT THE 6TH SEAL,
prior to the wrath of God.
Revelation 14
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth,
and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Revelation 6
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17
For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
When you are reading the coming of Jesus in Revelation 14, this is another view of the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal prior to wrath.
How do we know Jesus comes at the 6th seal? Because in Matthew 24 He comes when the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven. That event happens at the 6th seal, therefore Jesus comes at the 6th seal.
No, mat 24 is not the sixth seal.
I can't make any clearer than to post the very scripture. In Matthew 24 the sun and moon are darkened, and the stars fall from heaven. Then Jesus comes.
When the 6th seal is opened, the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall heaven. With simple deductive reasoning that most have learned by doing word problems in school we can easily conclude that Jesus comes at the 6th seal.
No angels gather anywhere for the marriage supper.
Mat 25 has JESUS GATHERING THE BRIDE, FROM EARTH, to the marriage chamber (HEAVEN) and the door is shut.
(every rapture verse Has Jesus doing the gathering.)
This is the first harvest, the Gentile bride. The Gentile bride will be in heaven during the great tribulation. I did not say, 7 year tribulation. I said great tribulation.
The second harvest is the Jews......but only the seed of the woman, the 12 tribes across the earth. Both brides are in heaven at the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. This is why there is a great multitude in Rev 7, some of whom come out of great tribulation.
Israel, the woman, those that flee to a place of protection, remain on earth during the wrath of God.
""And there is no 7-year tribulation. There is a final week that begins when a 7-year covenant with many IS MADE.""
Yes a 7 yr tribulation period
The AC descecrates the temple in the middle of the 7yr trib.
But it is not a 7 year tribulation as is commonly taught. It is a 7 year time period that begins when a 7 year covenant with many is made.
Additionally the is only 3.5 year remaining in the 70th week of Daniel.........time, times and half a time.
"The Church will not be in heaven before the 7 years begin as Noah was not in the ark 7 days before the flood."
oh OK, so now you have a problem with the church in heaven for 7 years.
Ahem...NOAH is GATHERED PRETRIB/ PREFLOOD, and
Sorry. Noah is not gathered pretrib. He is only gathered pre flood.
The great tribulation is not the wrath of God, no matter how many preachers claim it is.
The great tribulation is when the Jews are hunted and killed. It is the time of Jacobs trouble. The wrath of God is when God takes vengeance on an evil unbelieving world.
IS in the HEAVENS for the entire duration of the trib/ flood.
Now I see why you are backpeddling.
I'm not back peddling. I have continually said that the great tribulation is NOT the wrath of God.
Look at the Word. The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal. The seventh seal is the wrath of God.
Once Daniel's 70th week (7 years) is on the table, and the AC desecrates the temple in the middle of it ( ahem..the midway point of 7 yrs) it all fits.
Do the calculation in Daniel. There is only 3.5 year remaining in the 70th week of Daniel. Messiah arrives after 69 weeks and is cut off after his ministry.
""Matthew 24 occurs when the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven. That occurs at the 6th seal. Why is this so hard to understand? It's written in the Word. The timing is absolutely clear. There is no mistake when Matthew 24 occurs......6th seal.""
Nope. The ONLY PLACE he comes in power and great glory is Rev 19 ( which is at the end of the wrath.)
I use KJV. It says Jesus comes in POWER AND GLORY immediately after the tribulation of those days when the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven. It also says that when the 6th seal is opened the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven.
Pretty simple stuff.
It also says this is a great multitude in heaven right after the 6th seal. And it says that the great multitude is in heaven for the marriage supper in Revelation.
Mat 24
21 for then shall be great
tribulation, such as was not
since the beginning of the
world to this time, no, nor ever
shall be.
This will be the greatest tribulation suffered by Christians ever.
But it is not the wrath of God which is Gods vengeance. You have Christians running around during Gods wrath.
We are not appointed to wrath.
That passage is going to be hard to explain since it does not fit anything but a 7 yr trib.
There is no 7-year tribulation. There is a 7-year period that will begin when a covenant with many is made. The Church will be in heaven before the middle of the week which begins the great tribulation.
You have to explain how the worst part of the TRIBULATION is more intense than the wrath.
Tribulation is on Christians. Most of them will be Jews because the door will be shut when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.
Then go read the 7th seal wrath of God. There is not a chance that the worst part of the great tribulation compares to the wrath of God.
This is also the preterism dilemma since they also misplace the 7 yr trib.
What 7 year tribulation. Noah is not in the ark 7 days before the flood.
