Is the Gift of Salvation nullified by the consequences of refusal?
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amigo de christo
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All about the creation of a love and a god that all can c ome together as one peoples under .
And they use and do use causes and a cause that seems as a good cause .
IT was all about merging all peoples to be as one under a god , a love
and for cause that will serve a one world govt .
Only they say its for world peace n safety .
BUT HOW MUCH YA BET the things that pertain TO this so called world peace n safety
ARE NOT rather THE AGENDAS OF A ONE WORLD GOVT .
WE are all being decieved big t ime . And many who THINK they are against the one world religoin , one world govt
HAVE NO IDEA they are supporting this VERY AGENDA which came of SUCH MEN .
Is the Gift of Salvation nullified by the consequences of refusal?
Familiar words.
"... it is by grace you have been saved... the gift of God..."
What is the nature of a "gift"?
- It's free.
- You can't earn it.
- Nothing is expected in return. (hopefully, or it isn't free)
- Consequences for refusal would make it extortion.
Here's how it might look in human terms.
Man #1: I have a free gift for you.
Man #2: Thanks, But I'm not interested.
Man #1: Not interested? I said it was free!
Man #2: I'm pretty sure there are some strings attached.
Man #1: Well, of course. But it's FREE!
Man #2: Not really, if there are strings attached.
Man #1: This is my final offer. Better take it now, or else!
Man #2: Uh... or else what?
Man #1: You will be incinerated!
Man #2: Seriously? What kind of free gift is that?
Since salvation is a gift, it should meet the criteria of a gift.
- It's free.
- You can't earn it.
- Nothing is expected in return.
If salvation fails to meet this criteria, it isn't a gift.
Romans 4:4-5 NIV
Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation.
5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly,
their faith is credited as righteousness.
You (and others like you) are the reason NO ONE wants to be a Christian.
Who would want to be like you?
--- PARODY ---
Christian: You should become a Christian.
Victim: Why on earth would I want to do that?
Christian: Huh? What do you mean?
Victim: Christians are the worst people on the planet.
Christian: No, sinners like you are the worst.
Victim: Seriously?
Christian: Yes, that's what the Bible says.
Victim: Doesn't it also say not to judge others?
Christian: I'm not judging you. That will come later.
Victim: Like when?
Christian: After you die without Christ.
Victim: Are you talking about a forever burning hell?
Christian: Yes, that's where you are going.
Victim: How would you know?
Christian: Again, that's what the Bible says.
Victim: But what do you say?
Christian: I agree with the Bible.
Victim: You are proving my point about why I don't want to be a Christian.
Christian: Why not?
Victim: I don't want to be like you.
Indeed.
I'm the only Christian? lol
All who don't want to burn in Hell Fire.
Don't you ever get tired of attacking Bible believing Christians? Is that all you have to do?
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quietthinker
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Ahhhh, be careful Jacko, the mark of the beast desires you.....and you must overcome it!
Did you know that those who had Jesus killed were bible believing? They also wanted to stone a wayward lady. According to the bible they had the right to. I wonder what made them change their minds?
I'm a little surprised you're defending one of the worst Bible attackers here!
Oh yeah, you're another one of those who reject the Bible, like STV.
But you chop out the Genesis Flood, that Moses, Jesus and many other Bible Books declare as LITERAL! Why would I believe you?
Revelation 22:19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
You and STV seem to be in the same sinking boat.
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quietthinker
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I have my doubts you can understand English, Jacko.....but never mind, those in the Genesis flood probably didn't either. If only they had the KJV!
amigo de christo
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He is zealously affected for the inclusive one . many now are .
Many have loved a lie and not rather TRUTH .
For many are the sins of man and those who d esire their lustful hearts
will surely have a problem with SCRIPS which DO SO TESTIFY against those lusetful desires .
That is why many now do as they do . alter , try and change things , try and omit and remove things .
Because said verses DO Expose what many now love . SIN , UNBELIEF , and the idea
sold by another god who claimed it was love and is of GOD , A BIG FAT PATH OF UNBELEIF and KUYMBIA glad endings for all .
OH its a lie all right . But woe unto those who MADE and LOVE a lie .
I've read MANY English Bibles. They all confirm the Genesis Flood as literal. You, as does STV, reject God of the Bible. But you pick out the parts you like, don't you? Do you also reject Jesus' warnings of the EVERLASTING Hell Fire, as does STV?
quietthinker
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I guess you telling me what I do makes it real? whatcha say?
So lets make this even stevens; if what is said above is correct then me telling you what you do must make it real as well....whatcha say?
Better question: Why are you and STV in a Christian forum attacking the Bible, just like Satan?
quietthinker
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I guess we'll have to sort that one out at the judgement JackO. Are you gonna be the chief prosecutor or at least have his ear?
Nope, it will be Jesus Who said:
Matthew 24:37-39
37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
And you and STV will have ZERO defense! But you're not in Hell yet. There may be hope for you.
quietthinker
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and aren't you glad?.....all your efforts to convert Babylonians who just couldn't take you seriously will finally be vindicated!
No, I'm not glad that you and STV attack the Christian Bible.
Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,
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