The Beast Revelation

[Brakelite]

Ok, so now we’re getting somewhere. If the MOB is a sin against the soul not the physical body even if it is literal and physical, then a believer can get the literal and physical MOB while remaining faithful to Christ, right?

No-one sins against themselves. Sin is the transgression against the law. God's Law. It is God we offend, no man is offended by his own sin. We live to sin. We love to sin. It is natural for the carnal man to sin.
No-one accepts the mark unless they choose to. It is voluntary. God isn't going to inflict the most dire consequence of rebellion upon anyone who hasn't, with full awareness and deliberate acceptance, taken the mark. And it isn't physical. The mark is a form of worship that i is contrary to God's commandments. In fact the entire submission to the beast ("have no other gods before Me"), its image (no idols) its name (My name sacred) and its mark (Remember to keep holy My day), transgresses all 4 of the first table of the law. (See Revelation 15:2)

 

[ewq1938]

IMO:

The mark of the beast is basically a credit card. Your credit card has a tiny electronic chip that is sensed by an electronic card reader.

Can't be because the MOB is placed in the forehead or right hand and CCs are not placed in those places. Also, the MOB does not exist until the FP is in power but CCs have existed for decades and the FP is not here yet.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Can't be because the MOB is placed in the forehead or right hand and CCs are not placed in those places. Also, the MOB does not exist until the FP is in power but CCs have existed for decades and the FP is not here yet.

Do you even know what is God's defination for the beast. His defination for the horns? What is spiritual signification for number two? What does this beast represents? What is God's defination for the right head? And the forehead?

Do you expect that there will be one man called "the false prophet" who will have power to force everyone to receive a physical mark on their right hand and forehead?

 

[William Barton]

ewq1938 noted:

<Can't be because the MOB is placed in the forehead or right hand and CCs are not placed in those places.>

Chip implantation is an existing technology. The modern credit card is not a chip, rather the card houses the tiny chip.

 

[grafted branch]

No-one accepts the mark unless they choose to. It is voluntary. God isn't going to inflict the most dire consequence of rebellion upon anyone who hasn't, with full awareness and deliberate acceptance, taken the mark. And it isn't physical. The mark is a form of worship that i is contrary to God's commandments. In fact the entire submission to the beast ("have no other gods before Me"), its image (no idols) its name (My name sacred) and its mark (Remember to keep holy My day), transgresses all 4 of the first table of the law. (See Revelation 15:2)

Thanks for the interesting post. In Revelation 13:5, power is given to the beast to continue forty two months. Do you see people voluntarily accepting the mark of the beast happening only during the forty two months or is the mark of the beast available for people to accept during a different timeframe than just the forty two months that the beast has power?

 

[David in NJ]

Christian films often portray that all those who have not received the mark of the beast will be killed, this is a symbolic truth. The circumstances are true, but they missed the real meaning due to some failed interpretations. All those who have not taken the mark are killed, this part is true, but those who have not taken the mark are Hamas. The mark was given during the elections for the president of the Palestinian authority, which was boycotted by Hamas. Hamas has never received the mark. Films like to portray all people as subject to the mark. This part is wrong. It only affects those Palestinians who did not take the mark, and not the whole world. It is only Hamas. This makes the mark as what the letter indicates. It was the indelible ink brand given to those who voted in the Palestinian elections.​

That was not the "Mark" that Revelation Speaks/Warns of.

Hamas are murderers.

 

[David in NJ]

No-one sins against themselves. God's Law. It is God we offend, no man is offended by his own sin. We live to sin. We love to sin. It is natural for the carnal man to sin.
And it isn't physical. The mark is a form of worship that i is contrary to God's commandments. In fact the entire submission to the beast ("have no other gods before Me"), its image (no idols) its name (My name sacred) and its mark (Remember to keep holy My day), transgresses all 4 of the first table of the law. (See Revelation 15:2)

AGREE in part.

Sin is the transgression against the law.

AGREE is fullness but that is only half of the Equation.

No-one accepts the mark unless they choose to. It is voluntary. God isn't going to inflict the most dire consequence of rebellion upon anyone who hasn't, with full awareness and deliberate acceptance, taken the mark.

DISAGREE in part = since it disagrees with Scripture, in part

Now think my Sister in Christ = and let me know what you find

But you are also CORRECT = in part with Scripture

 

[Douggg]

For example, when you see a person wearing a cross on their clothing, who's name do you associate with that cross ?

Jesus, right ?

So, although we don't know what the mark of the beast's name is yet. It will be some symbol, icon, that will be associated with him.

And that symbol will be required on people's right hand or forehead to be able to buy or sell.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Spiritual Israelite noted: <card...doesn't mean you're not saved>

Check out Revelation 14:9-11.

You really need to learn how to quote people the right way. When did I say "card...doesn't mean you're not saved"? I don't even know what that means. Which post number are you referring to there? Reply to the post itself or at least give the full quote of what I said.

 

[grafted branch]

For example, when you see a person wearing a cross on their clothing, who's name do you associate with that cross ?

Jesus, right ?

So, although we don't know what the mark of the beast's name is yet. It will be some symbol, icon, that will be associated with him.

And that symbol will be required on people's right hand or forehead to be able to buy or sell.

Right now I can’t legally buy or sell cocaine, but if I really wanted to buy some I could go through the black market and get some. Currently, with all the different cryptocurrencies and various money laundering schemes, it’s almost insulting to claim no one will be able to buy or sell without the mark in absolute terms. You might be able to claim no one will be able to legally buy or sell, but that’s about it.

And what about bartering, people will still be able to barter without the mark, right?

 

[Douggg]

Right now I can’t legally buy or sell cocaine, but if I really wanted to buy some I could go through the black market and get some. Currently, with all the different cryptocurrencies and various money laundering schemes, it’s almost insulting to claim no one will be able to buy or sell without the mark in absolute terms. You might be able to claim no one will be able to legally buy or sell, but that’s about it.

And what about bartering, people will still be able to barter without the mark, right?

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

I think that implies that the false prophet will implement a law that no person can buy or sell without displaying one of those three things in their right hand or forehead.

Everyone doing otherwise will be breaking that law.

We might should note that during the great tribulation, as the rider on the black horse in Revelation 6:5-6 indicates, food will be scarce during that time.

 

[William Barton]

<Can't be because the MOB is placed in the forehead or right hand and CCs are not placed in those places.>

The functional part of a credit card is the chip. It is tiny and can be placed within flesh.

 

[Brakelite]

Thanks for the interesting post. In Revelation 13:5, power is given to the beast to continue forty two months. Do you see people voluntarily accepting the mark of the beast happening only during the forty two months or is the mark of the beast available for people to accept during a different timeframe than just the forty two months that the beast has power?

You are presuming those 42 months...1260 days... time times and half a time...(all the same period) is yet in the future. That time period does apply to the life of the beast, but remember the beast is resurrected. Apparently anyway. So the mark is only applicable to that time proud subsequent to the resurrection. Not during the original time period that expired over 200 years ago.

 

[Brakelite]

Right now I can’t legally buy or sell cocaine, but if I really wanted to buy some I could go through the black market and get some. Currently, with all the different cryptocurrencies and various money laundering schemes, it’s almost insulting to claim no one will be able to buy or sell without the mark in absolute terms. You might be able to claim no one will be able to legally buy or sell, but that’s about it.

And what about bartering, people will still be able to barter without the mark, right?

With a global digital currency it will be a simple process to just turn people off. No work. No home. No benefits. Family against them. Neighbours hostile. No government agency in support. The church that refuses the mark outlawed. All visible practical support removed. It's just you and God, svs the world, led by Satan, looking to destroy you, in the middle of the plagues. You think there will be any same person left willing to help? You'll be in hiding in the wilderness, being fed water and bread by crows or angels. The future will not be civilised in any sense whatever.

 

[Brakelite]

<Can't be because the MOB is placed in the forehead or right hand and CCs are not placed in those places.>

The functional part of a credit card is the chip. It is tiny and can be placed within flesh.

The mark of the beast was Satanically designed to replace the seal of God. Mark, sign, seal, are different words for the same thing. The seal of God is not a visible mark. It is a final irrevocable settling into truth. It is about character. In the forehead. The mark of the beast is also in the mind. It is a result of rejecting truth, allowing oneself to become hopelessly deceived to the point of becoming irreconcilable. Yes, they are consequences of refusing the mark. After all, like the early Christian martyrs refused to worship Caesar, so those with the seal of God refuse to worship Babylon. There will be inducements to comply. Threats. Social pressure. Fines. Imprisonment. Finally the death sentence. Although there will be martyrs before this. Satan is angry that there is still a remnant that remains faithful despite the pressures he is piling on.

 

[grafted branch]

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

I think that implies that the false prophet will implement a law that no person can buy or sell without displaying one of those three things in their right hand or forehead.

Everyone doing otherwise will be breaking that law.

We might should note that during the great tribulation, as the rider on the black horse in Revelation 6:5-6 indicates, food will be scarce during that time.

He causeth all … to receive a mark …. If I understand you correctly, you’re interpreting this as a governmental law that is enacted.

Currently we have laws on the books that are openly not being enforced, we have sanctuary cities where they are not enforcing immigration laws. If your scenario about the MOB is correct then there could very well be sanctuary cities where the laws about the mark are not enforced and people buy and sell in those cities without the mark.

 

[grafted branch]

With a global digital currency it will be a simple process to just turn people off. No work. No home. No benefits. Family against them. Neighbours hostile. No government agency in support. The church that refuses the mark outlawed. All visible practical support removed. It's just you and God, svs the world, led by Satan, looking to destroy you, in the middle of the plagues. You think there will be any same person left willing to help? You'll be in hiding in the wilderness, being fed water and bread by crows or angels. The future will not be civilised in any sense whatever.

Sure, if that is what the future holds for believers then they should consider it pure joy.

James 1:2Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance.

 

[William Barton]

<Can't because the Mark Of Beast is placed in the forehead or right hand and Card Chips are not placed in those places.>

The tiny chip is the functional part, and they can be set in various places. Pets sometimes receive chips in the subcutaneous tissue before the shoulder blades.

It's just a possibility.

 

[ewq1938]

ewq1938 noted: <can't be>

Chip implantation is an existing technology, credit cards use them.

A new chip can be implemented as the MOB. Dunno if it will be a chip but it could be.

 

[William Barton]

IMO:

o This conflict is Middle Eastern only, not all over the world.

o Refusal to take the mark has consequences (Revelation 13:15-17).

o Taking the mark has worse consequences (Revelation 14:9-11).

o Petra time! (Matthew 24:15-28, Zechariah 14:5).