The Beast Revelation

[Douggg]

The mark of the beast is more specifically... the mark of the beast's name.

So, I think the mark of the beast will be some sort of icon associated with his name.

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

[grafted branch]

Sure it can. The verse has nothing to do with the mark.

You gave no explanation, how about you tell us why you think 1 Corinthians 6:18 has nothing to do with the mark of the beast. Is it that 1 Corinthians 6:18 isn’t talking about a person’s physical body? If both 1 Corinthians 6:18 and the mark of the beast are referring to a physical body then they are related in that aspect which is what I’ve pointed out.

 

[ewq1938]

You gave no explanation, how about you tell us why you think 1 Corinthians 6:18 has nothing to do with the mark of the beast.

The context is not about the mark of the beast but fornication.

1Co 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
1Co 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
1Co 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

 

[Jay Ross]

The context is not about the mark of the beast but fornication.

1Co 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
1Co 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
1Co 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

If we sin, we become a candidate to experience the Second Death at the time of the final judgement. If, however, we repent of our iniquities and throw ourselves upon God's mercy and grace towards us then, the Mark of the Beast is no longer a part of us, and we will enjoy Life Everlasting.

Shalom

 

[Brakelite]

Christian films often portray that all those who have not received the mark of the beast will be killed, this is a symbolic truth. The circumstances are true, but they missed the real meaning due to some failed interpretations. All those who have not taken the mark are killed, this part is true, but those who have not taken the mark are Hamas. The mark was given during the elections for the president of the Palestinian authority, which was boycotted by Hamas. Hamas has never received the mark. Films like to portray all people as subject to the mark. This part is wrong. It only affects those Palestinians who did not take the mark, and not the whole world. It is only Hamas. This makes the mark as what the letter indicates. It was the indelible ink brand given to those who voted in the Palestinian elections.​

SMHID

 

[Brakelite]

Rev 13 says the FP can work miracles so God allows him to do things like make fire come from heaven.

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

False fire from heaven, miracles, great wonders, is all starting to take place in a more intense form today. It is a counterfeit latter rain.

 

[Brakelite]

There is also this difference between a beast rising from 'the sea' and a beast rising from 'the earth' (Revelation 13:11)- again the word is ge. Out of what land do you believe that beast will rise?

Beast in both instances, in order to be prophetically consistent, is a political power. Whether empire or nation. Sea represents populous area, rising up in the midst of many peoples, nations, and tongues.
“1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters....
.... 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. ”
Revelation 17:1, 15 KJV

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A woman in Bible prophecy is a church. A pure woman as in Revelation 12 are God's faithful people... the whore is an apostate people, a fallen church. This fallen apostate church rides the beast, the political power, guides and controls the beast but without which she would have no support.
The beasts in Daniel all arose in the old world. Europe and central Asia and the middle east. Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. They were all predators, eating up the territory of their neighbours. The first beast in Revelation 13,a hybrid of those early 4 powers, inherited their philosophies and mode of operation...war, persecution, hunger for power and control, but was a different kind of beast in that it demanded worship, therefore was of a more religious nature as opposed to political, but yet was still a beast. This was the little horn of Daniel 7 all grown up into a beast in its own right, and because the little horn grew out of the Roman Empire, so this religious/ political composite with the mixed philosophies of it's predecessors, was also Roman.
The beast that rose up in the earth immediately after the apparent demise of the first beast, (which took place in 1798..I can explain in more detail if required) and rose up to power around the same time, rose in an area opposite to the sea...the land... opposite to a populous area with nations and numerous people, therefore scarcely populated, with no established cities and systems of ancient or modern political powers vying for control and power. What nation was on the rise around 1798 in a land as described above? Because that nation became the false prophet, and grew in power and global influence to so convince the world to accept and welcome the first beast, the antichrist, to rule and define what worship it requires. The identity of those two powers is fairly obvious when you use the Bible to interpret itself.

 

[grafted branch]

The context is not about the mark of the beast but fornication.

1Co 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
1Co 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
1Co 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

Well yea, it’s obvious 1 Corinthians 6:18 is speaking about fornication, but you didn’t address the issue of it being a sin against the body. 1 Corinthians 6:18 says All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body.

Can you give us your view as to why fornication is a sin against the body but all other sins, including the mark if the beast, wouldn’t be?

 

[ewq1938]

False fire from heaven, miracles, great wonders, is all starting to take place in a more intense form today. It is a counterfeit latter rain.

We see only the same things that have existed a long time. We have not seen miracles and fire being called down from heaven by the FP yet.

 

[ewq1938]

A pure woman as in Revelation 12 are God's faithful people... the whore is an apostate people, a fallen church.

Part of her are Apostates but the vast majority are all the other peoples in the world. It's not about Catholics or Protectants as one denomination teaches.

 

[ewq1938]

Well yea, it’s obvious 1 Corinthians 6:18 is speaking about fornication, but you didn’t address the issue of it being a sin against the body. 1 Corinthians 6:18 says All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body.

Can you give us your view as to why fornication is a sin against the body but all other sins, including the mark if the beast, wouldn’t be?

Lets just get back to the fact that the verse has nothing to do with the mark. If you want to have a thread specifically discussing what 1 Corinthians 6:18 means then that's great but the MOB is a sin against the soul not the physical body even if it is literal and physical. Also, the mark is something used to control who can buy and sell which makes it financially based which does not fit the context of 1 Corinthians 6:18 in the slightest.

 

[grafted branch]

Lets just get back to the fact that the verse has nothing to do with the mark. If you want to have a thread specifically discussing what 1 Corinthians 6:18 means then that's great but the MOB is a sin against the soul not the physical body even if it is literal and physical. Also, the mark is something used to control who can buy and sell which makes it financially based which does not fit the context of 1 Corinthians 6:18 in the slightest.

Ok, so now we’re getting somewhere. If the MOB is a sin against the soul not the physical body even if it is literal and physical, then a believer can get the literal and physical MOB while remaining faithful to Christ, right?

I mean if a believer who has the mental capacity of a child gets the literal and physical MOB but doesn’t commit a sin against the soul, that would mean the literal and physical MOB isn’t necessarily a sin. And what about a quadriplegic, if someone inserted a micro chip in their hand they would have no way of resisting, they certainly wouldn’t be committing a sin against the soul while literally and physically getting the MOB.

What it all comes down to is that the MOB itself can’t physical, it’s spiritual and 1 Corinthians 6:18 confirms that by stating “All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body”.

 

[William Barton]

Grafted branch asked:

<Can you give us your view as to why fornication is a sin against the body but all other sins, including the mark of the beast, wouldn’t be.>

Fornication involves the whole body in an intimate fashion. Other sins typically are not so bodily intimate.

God created the body of Adam, and everyone on planet earth stems from that one body. It is a gift to us, and hopefully we will use it in a proper fashion.

 

[grafted branch]

Fornication involves the whole body in an intimate fashion. Other sins typically are not so bodily intimate.

God created the body of Adam, and everyone on planet earth stems from that one body. It is a gift to us, and hopefully we will use it in a proper

Well, there are other sins such as getting drunk and gluttony which involve a person’s body but when I look at the next verse, 1 Corinthians 6:19, it seems that Paul is specifically referring to our body as the temple. So it could be thought of as fornication involves sin in the holy of holies while all other sins involve the outer courts of the temple.

I think a real problem occurs when the mark of the beast is thought of as a simple mark on the body. It seems to me that a better fit would be that the mark of the beast = fornication (spiritual mark = spiritual fornication).

When I look at Revelation 17 the kings of the earth commit fornication with the woman (mother of harlots), that harlot sits on a scarlet beast which has seven heads. The Revelation 13 beast also has seven heads. I would say it’s reasonable to associate the Revelation 13 mark of the beast with fornication, that is spiritual fornication, which would harmonize with 1 Corinthians 6:18. That’s my thoughts on the whole situation anyway.

 

[William Barton]

IMO:
Revelation 17:1-5 "woman" is said to be the city of Babylon, a great and wealthy city.

The "beast" is said to ascend from the abyss. Presumably this is a fallen angel who was confined to the abyss when Jesus was resurrected. He is released in the end times, and he kills the two witnesses (Revelation 11:7).

The body is a temple because it houses our soul and spirit.
1. A plant has a body.
2. A dog has a body and soul.
3. A person has a body, soul, spirit.

Unfortunately our spirits (access to God) are non-functional at this time.

 

[ewq1938]

Ok, so now we’re getting somewhere. If the MOB is a sin against the soul not the physical body even if it is literal and physical, then a believer can get the literal and physical MOB while remaining faithful to Christ, right?

No. Did you already forget the whole sin against the soul part? Rev also implies those who take the mark go to the LOF so the question is not a great one.

I mean if a believer who has the mental capacity of a child gets the literal and physical MOB but doesn’t commit a sin against the soul, that would mean the literal and physical MOB isn’t necessarily a sin. And what about a quadriplegic, if someone inserted a micro chip in their hand they would have no way of resisting, they certainly wouldn’t be committing a sin against the soul while literally and physically getting the MOB.

What it all comes down to is that the MOB itself can’t physical, it’s spiritual and 1 Corinthians 6:18 confirms that by stating “All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body”.

Again, Paul is not in any way addressing the MOB there. Context proves that clearly.

 

[grafted branch]

Again, Paul is not in any way addressing the MOB there. Context proves that clearly.

Paul categorizes sin into two categories, with fornication being the only sin that takes place in the body. Since you have the MOB being a sin, that means Paul is clearly addressing it because he’s talking about all sins.

You either have to equate the MOB with fornication, say it takes place outside the body, or say the MOB isn’t a sin. That is the only choices you have according to 1 Corinthians 6:18, since it encompasses all sins.

 

[William Barton]

IMO:

The mark of the beast is basically a credit card. Your credit card has a tiny electronic chip that is sensed by an electronic card reader. That same chip could be inserted into the wrist or forehead. It conveys your credit number to the card reader in an efficient way.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

IMO:

The mark of the beast is basically a credit card. Your credit card has a tiny electronic chip that is sensed by an electronic card reader. That same chip could be inserted into the wrist or forehead. It conveys your credit number to the card reader in an efficient way.

Do you understand that the mark of the beast is something which indicates that a person does not have their name written in the book of life and is something which indicates that a person will end up in the lake of fire?

Revelation 14:9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

How can having a credit card chip implanted in you mean that you're not saved and don't have your name written in the book of life and that you're going to end up in the lake of fire? Rejecting Christ is what condemns people (John 3:18). How would having a credit card chip inserted into your wrist or forehead mean that you have rejected Christ? That makes no sense. Since having the mark of the beast or not relates to spiritual salvation, the mark of the beast must be spiritual as well. I see it as being the spiritual opposite of the seal of God, which represents the seal of the Holy Spirit.

 

[TribulationSigns]

IMO:

The mark of the beast is basically a credit card. Your credit card has a tiny electronic chip that is sensed by an electronic card reader. That same chip could be inserted into the wrist or forehead. It conveys your credit number to the card reader in an efficient way.

Please! Let’s think logically about the mark of the beast.

If a born-again Christian is walking down the street and a mob attacks him, forcing to insert the beast sanctioned chip or mark into his right hand or forehead against his will—does that mean he instantly loses his salvation?

Of course not. That does not make sense.

Salvation is not based on something physically forced or willingly insert onto the body. Scripture teaches that being “born again” is a spiritual work—something God does in the heart, not something man can undo with external force.

So the real question is:

Can a physical object—like a chip, credit card, AI, iphone, etc. etc. —override a spiritual rebirth that comes from God? The answer is NO! The mark of the beast is a spiritual mark. Period.

In Revelation 13, two-horned beast represents a group of false prophets and christs who appear godly but speak contrary to the Truth. This influence compels everyone WITHIN their congregation, especially those NOT YET SEALED BY GOD (Revelation 9:4) to receive the mark on their right hand or forehead.

The mark itself points to allegiance:

• The right hand symbolizes actions -- doing the will of the Devil.
• The forehead symbolizes belief or in agreement with the false doctrines

To be “marked” is to belong to that system, much like branding identifies ownership. It reflects a heart and mind given over to deception. This is the judgment of God upon His unfaithful congregation by allowing the false prophets and christs to come into to deceive them.

For this reason, the mark is not about a future physical implant, as often taught in certain interpretations of false premillennial doctrines. Rather, it is a present spiritual reality of the fallen church during the short season of apostasy and desolation.