She rightly directed your attention to Romans 13. Read Paul again.
Read the Ante Nicene Church Fathers.
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She rightly directed your attention to Romans 13. Read Paul again.
Read the Ante Nicene Church Fathers.
“Evil to evil is beastlike, and no Christian will indulge in it; but good for evil is Christlike, and we must practice it.” - C.H. Spurgeon
Have you read Spurgeon @Wrangler? Have you @Armour of God?
Have you really spent time reading about the Crusades? They were beastlike, not Christlike.
My responsibility as a Christian pastor includes teaching people to be Christlike.
Have you read Spurgeon @Wrangler? Have you @Armour of God?
Have you really spent time reading about the Crusades? They were beastlike, not Christlike.
My responsibility as a Christian pastor includes teaching people to be Christlike.
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Yes! I have his 3 volume analysis of Psalms. Most excellent. What work by Spurgeon do you recommend?
Spurgeon is one of my favorite Christian authors along with CS Lewis.
All of them.
Then listen again to what he says about not being beastlike. The Muslims were beastlike. The Crusaders were beastlike. To be beastlike is to be like the world. Christians are not to be beastlike.
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Does this include flipping over tables, whipping at people, smiting your enemies and throwing evil people into fire like Christ did and will do?
It’s all our responsibility to teach people to be Christ like. It’s not merely his person but the divinely inspired principles which he lived we should follow. Humility, Grace, Compassion and Forgiveness in particular.
Compassion is often used today as a wedge against justice. This is a perversion.
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No. Christ did not smite his enemies, nor did he throw evil people into fire.
Yes. You are teaching people to be beastlike.
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Ezekiel 13:
3 Thus saith the Lord God; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!
4 O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.
5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the Lord.
Isaiah 50:
2 Wherefore, when I came, was there no man? when I called, was there none to answer? Is my hand shortened at all, that it cannot redeem? or have I no power to deliver? behold, at my rebuke I dry up the sea, I make the rivers a wilderness: their fish stinketh, because there is no water, and dieth for thirst.
It would sound to me that folks such as yourself that no justification is possible!
Tell me young man:
Is THIS what you would use against an intruder in YOUR house?:
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Being a Muslim Apologist, you turn this thread on is head. No one is saying the Crudades were unique in all of human history in that no excess among the warriors took place.
There were reasons FOR the Crusades that I have yet see you state and acknowledge.
He isn’t a Muslim Apologist. To date, no Muslim Apologist has posted in this thread.
Ezekiel 13:
3 Thus saith the Lord God; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!
4 O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.
5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the Lord.
Isaiah 50:
2 Wherefore, when I came, was there no man? when I called, was there none to answer? Is my hand shortened at all, that it cannot redeem? or have I no power to deliver? behold, at my rebuke I dry up the sea, I make the rivers a wilderness: their fish stinketh, because there is no water, and dieth for thirst.
It would sound to me that folks such as yourself that no justification is possible!
Tell me young man:
Is THIS what you would use against an intruder in YOUR house?:
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A book recommendation:
NayborBear
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Well now! That IS a correct statement there!
What Constintine DID accomplish however is FORCE (meaning he wasn't ASKING) traditions, celebrations, of pagans and heathens UPON an "already struggling" (from its OWN traditions of men and practices) during his (Constintine) "Corporate Pursuit of Peace!"
From my X / Twitter “For you” feed this morning -
“Reminder: the Crusades were a response to over 400 years of Islamic aggression against Christians and Europe.
632: Muhammad dies.
635: Muslims conquer the Christian city off Damascus.
636: Muslims conquer the Christian city of Antioch.
637: Muslims conquer the Holy Land.
639: Muslims conquer the first Christian country Armenia.
641: Muslims conquer the Coptic Christian country of of Egypt.
650: Muslim armies reach southern Italy and Cyprus, taking thousands of captives as ‘slaves‘ and ‘concubines.’
711: Muslims invade Spain, and by 715, they have overrun most of it.
717: Muslims besiege Constantinople but are repelled.
730: Muslims invade France, only to be stopped by Charles Martel at the Battle of Tours.
792: The ruler of Al-Andalus calls for the invasion of France, and Muslim armies are assembled to attack it again, but they are repelled.
827: Muslims invade Sicily and Italy, persecuting monks. Sicily remains under Islamic rule until 1092.
846: Muslims invade Rome and force the Pope to pay tribute.
848: A third invasion of France occurs, and they are repelled for the third time.
909: Muslims occupy Sardinia.
937: The Church of the Holy Sepulcher is burned down by Muslims, and more churches in Jerusalem are attacked.
1009: Destruction of the Church of the Resurrection in Jerusalem.
1012: Beginning of al-Hakim’s oppressive decrees against Christianity.
1071: Muslim Turks attack the Byzantines and occupy much of Anatolia.
1094: Byzantine emperor Alexios I Komnenos asks Western Christendom for help against Muslim Turkish invasions.
1095: Pope Urban II finally declares the First Crusade.”
Beastlike.
@Wrangler @Armour of God, I condemn it all; a Muslim Apologist wouldn’t.
“Reminder: the Crusades were a response to over 400 years of Islamic aggression against Christians and Europe.
632: Muhammad dies.
635: Muslims conquer the Christian city off Damascus.
636: Muslims conquer the Christian city of Antioch.
637: Muslims conquer the Holy Land.
639: Muslims conquer the first Christian country Armenia.
641: Muslims conquer the Coptic Christian country of of Egypt.
650: Muslim armies reach southern Italy and Cyprus, taking thousands of captives as ‘slaves‘ and ‘concubines.’
711: Muslims invade Spain, and by 715, they have overrun most of it.
717: Muslims besiege Constantinople but are repelled.
730: Muslims invade France, only to be stopped by Charles Martel at the Battle of Tours.
792: The ruler of Al-Andalus calls for the invasion of France, and Muslim armies are assembled to attack it again, but they are repelled.
827: Muslims invade Sicily and Italy, persecuting monks. Sicily remains under Islamic rule until 1092.
846: Muslims invade Rome and force the Pope to pay tribute.
848: A third invasion of France occurs, and they are repelled for the third time.
909: Muslims occupy Sardinia.
937: The Church of the Holy Sepulcher is burned down by Muslims, and more churches in Jerusalem are attacked.
1009: Destruction of the Church of the Resurrection in Jerusalem.
1012: Beginning of al-Hakim’s oppressive decrees against Christianity.
1071: Muslim Turks attack the Byzantines and occupy much of Anatolia.
1094: Byzantine emperor Alexios I Komnenos asks Western Christendom for help against Muslim Turkish invasions.
1095: Pope Urban II finally declares the First Crusade.”
Beastlike.
@Wrangler @Armour of God, I condemn it all; a Muslim Apologist wouldn’t.
“The devil’s constant strategy is to seek to merge the church and the world so that the people of God lose their distinctiveness and be no longer ‘a city set upon a hill.’ The primary way of Satan to achieve this is to confuse what it means to be a Christian.” - Iain Murray
Constantine marks a shift in Christian history from pacifism to militarism; a confusing of what it means to be a Christian.
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Never said I prefer it; just accepting of reality. You got to break a few eggs to make an omelette.
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Gee! It's a "God Thing" people like you and Anchorlite weren't around during these days:
717: Muslims besiege Constantinople but are repelled.
730: Muslims invade France, only to be stopped by Charles Martel at the Battle of Tours.
792: The ruler of Al-Andalus calls for the invasion of France, and Muslim armies are assembled to attack it again, but they are repelled.
848: A third invasion of France occurs, and they are repelled for the third time.
1094: Byzantine emperor Alexios I Komnenos asks Western Christendom for help against Muslim Turkish invasions.
Elstwise? We'd ALL be "Praying to Allah now wouldn't we!"
Because there'd be NO Christians LEFT!
Gee! It's a "God Thing" people like you and Anchorlite weren't around during these days:
717: Muslims besiege Constantinople but are repelled.
730: Muslims invade France, only to be stopped by Charles Martel at the Battle of Tours.
792: The ruler of Al-Andalus calls for the invasion of France, and Muslim armies are assembled to attack it again, but they are repelled.
848: A third invasion of France occurs, and they are repelled for the third time.
1094: Byzantine emperor Alexios I Komnenos asks Western Christendom for help against Muslim Turkish invasions.
The crusaders and the Muslims would have slaughtered @Wrangler. (The crusaders would have slaughtered him for not being a trinitarian; the Muslims would have slaughtered him because he was there to slaughter them.)
No.
Yes there would.
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