Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

[Taken]

You are either reading a different book than I am, or you are not understanding what you are reading. The first thing the Lord told Noah was to come and enter the ark.

Genesis 7
1 And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

5 And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him.

The Word says that Noah, his family and all of the animals entered the ark on the same day. That day was the day the Lord told him to enter the ark.

Genesis 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

I am not the one in error, so I am not the one making a false allegation.

Your Error…

Noah is not in the ark with the animals 7 days before the rain.

 

[PinSeeker]

What don't you understand...

But I do; You just think I don't understand. And I would say the exact same thing of you, Spiritual Israelite. And that's not meant in any kind of disparaging way. We should be able to leave it at that, or at least leave it at that after having discussed it once or twice, which we have... and more.

You're making yourself look bad here...

<eye roll> This is not quite as bad as calling me a liar like you did a couple of posts ago, but still... <eye roll> <chuckles>

with the way you are interpreting 1 Corinthians 12:9.

1 Corinthians 12:28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?

What are your answers to the questions Paul asked in this passage? Yes to all of them?

Here's a challenge for you.

Oh, it's always... challenging... <chuckles> ...to converse with you, SI. <smile> But yeah, sooner or later, after repeating the same things at least two or three times ~ and I would again here ~ one just says, "You know, enough is enough."

Paul very clearly indicated that not all Christians have all of the gifts of the Spirit and here you are denying that. Unreal.

No, I'm not denying it at all, I'm saying ~ over and over again ~ that you are attributing something to his comments here than is just not the case, outside of the context in which he is saying what he's saying. Yes, I can and do wholeheartedly agree that, just as you say here, not all Christians have all of the gifts of the Spirit, just as you said here, word for word, but Paul's context is of being specifically and particularly gifted by the Holy Spirit in these things. You disagree, I get that; fine. But again, in the context of what I'm saying (yet again), both are true. Your context is ~ and I'm just talking about you, here ~ the Paul is meaning that specific Christians can do maybe one or two of these things but cannot do the rest... have absolutely no ability to do the rest. There is quite a difference between merely talking about the ability to do things and being gifted at those things; that's irrefutable. And one has to acknowledge that, because to deny that is really... well, we'll just call it stubbornness. <smile> Again, we can be knowledgeable, have wisdom, be able to teach and/or preach, and ~ particularly germane to our... "conversation" here... <chuckles> ~ have faith ~ ...and you and I both have a measure of all these things... but not be particularly and specifically gifted by the Holy Spirit in these things ~ which is Paul's context both in 1 Corinthians 12 and Romans 12 ~ and it is the Holy Spirit Who, as Paul says in 1 Corinthians 12:11, "empowers them all and apportions to each one individually as He wills." I mean the language there is so simple and clear that it's really impossible to misconstrue. But yet... <chuckles>

Show me where he mentions "particular" gifts of the Spirit or even hints at such a thing.

<HAHAHAHA!!!!> I've never even talked about that, SI! Never. Although he is talking about particular gifts of the Spirit, knowledge and wisdom and faith and teaching and the like. My goodness. What I've talked about is individual Christians being particularly gifted by the Spirit to do... and in each individual case one or maybe two of the... particular <chuckles> ...spiritual gifts he mentions. Again, we can have ~ in the case of faith, or wisdom, or knowledge ~ or merely have the ability to do ~ in the case of preaching, teaching, and healing, and even speaking in tongues ~ these things without being particularly gifted by the Spirit in or with them ~ in the case of faith, or wisdom, or knowledge ~ or merely have the ability to do them ~ in the case of preaching, teaching, and healing, and even speaking in tongues ~ and thus to help others in those areas by bearing their burdens with them and to help to build them up in the Lord, which is our duty and our joy to do (or at least should be), and why God has given us each other.

Maybe not, but it can't be ignored how dishonestly you are dealing with...

Ah, calling me a liar again... <eye roll> <chuckles>

When Paul says salvation is "not of yourselves", he's not saying that it's not of God's grace through our faith, he's saying that it's "not of works" that we could boast about.

As I've said, the funny thing is, even though I've said many times that I agree with you... we see eye to eye on this; we really do... you keep saying I say otherwise, or deny it. And on top of that, even though Paul does say "not of yourselves" here, and we agree on what that means, you keep saying ~ in the same breath, many times ~ that it is of ourselves in that we give ourselves faith, which is in that case to say, in effect, it is our works ~ our willing something is a work in and of itself ~ that save us.

Faith isn't something we can boast about.

I totally agree. Always have and always will. But... well, two things:

1. according to you, this salvific faith we manufacture for ourselves, give ourselves ~ which, again, turns the very definition of faith given to us in Hebrews 11:1 on its ear. More on that in a moment, but...
2. because we ~ again, according to you ~ give ourselves faith, that makes it into a work, something we do, which I know you don't mean to do, but you do in fact do that, again, even while saying "it's not of works," which is just astounding.

To the second point, something we do is a work of our own, pure and simple. Yet again, the faith that we have is a work of God... given to us by God, to the first point above "(His) assurance (given to us) of things hoped for, and (the Spirit's) conviction of our hearts of things unseen." And yet again, this is not just me saying it, it's word for word what the Spirit says in Hebrews 11:1. And all this is in keeping with what John says in John 1:13, that we have been "born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God," and what Paul reiterates in Romans 9:14-18, that "(God) says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.' So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, 'For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed in all the earth.' So then He has mercy on whomever He wills, and He hardens whomever He wills." Here again, the language there is so simple and clear that it's really impossible to misconstrue. These things are absolutely clear and cannot be misconstrued, But yet... <chuckles> ...they can be, ah, "massaged" into something other than they are, and... unfortunately, many do just that...

If God gives people saving faith then it also makes a mockery of Jesus for marveling at the faith of the centurion whose servant Jesus healed. As if Jesus, who is God, would ever marvel at anyone's faith if He gave it to them? As if He forgot how much faith He gave the centurion?

<eye roll>

We've already been over the fact that you don't understand what Hebrews 11:1 means multiple times. Did you forget? You have no understanding of Hebrews 11:1 whatsoever. Look at it in context. You seem to always forget to look for context in scripture.

<eye roll>

Grace and peace to you, Spiritual Israelite. The Lord bless you and keep you; the Lord make his face to shine upon you and be gracious to you; the Lord lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace.

Ohhhh... that's probably too "holier than thou" to you... <eye roll> Goodness gracious. <chuckles> <shaking my head>

 

[The Light]

Your Error…

No. Not my error.

Noah is told to enter the ark.

He is also told
Genesis 7
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

Noah, his family and all of the animal's load on the first day of the 7 days.

So Noah is not sealed in the ark 7 days before the flood.

 

[Taken]

No. Not my error.

Noah is told to enter the ark.

He is also told
Genesis 7
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

Noah, his family and all of the animal's load on the first day of the 7 days.

So Noah is not sealed in the ark 7 days before the flood.

Noah is not in the ark with the animals 7 days before the rain.

The dispute was when the rain began…
Noah entered 7 days LATER the rain began.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Wake up. The coming of Jesus in Revelation 14 is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24, and it is the Jews that are gathered from the earth.

Can we prove that by the Word of God. Sure. Those raptured sing the song of Moses. They are of the 12 tribes across the earth and there are 144,000 first fruits of this harvest.

Revelation 15
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

Those that are raptured in Revelation 14 are the Jews, and they are the ones that get victory over the beast by the blood of the lamb. They are the ones that are raptured at the 6th seal and go through the great tribulation. The Church is already in heaven before the great tribulation.
Gods people are not appointed to wrath. That is why there is a rapture before the 7th seal is opened. That is why there is a great multitude, some of who come out of great tribulation at the marriage supper BEFORE the white horses event.


I'm not arguing about power and glory at the white horse's event. Even though it doesn't say Jesus comes in power and glory, I would have to believe that Jesus comes in power and glory any time He shows up with His angels.

One thing is for sure; we know that He shows up at the 6th seal in power and glory because the Word of God says He does.

Now you have changed your argument. Before you were arguing that Jesus does not come in power and glory at the 6th seal. Now you changed to the 6th seal is the 7 trumpet nonsense. Instead of putting things where the Word says they go, now you are trying to say that the 6th seal is the 7th trumpet.




Until you understand that Jesus comes immediately after the great tribulation for a harvest and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth at the 6th seal, you will not understand end time.

If you think that the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 occurs at the 7th trumpet on white horses, you will not understand.

Why not try a timeline that has the great tribulation over at the 6th seal and the 7th seal containing the wrath of God........just like it says.

The great tribulation is not the wrath of God. Period.

Nope.
You seem to think Jesus sitting on a cloud holding a sickle is Jesus coming in power and great Glory.
I already posted Rev 19, which is tge second coming in power and great glory.
The second coming on white horses is AFTER tge 7 yr trib.
It all lines up perfectly.
Your struggle over tge w I rd "trib" is where you are getting off

That one item changes your timeline.
It has you saying Rev 14 gathering is the same as the second coming in power and great glory.
Which is ludicrous.
So now you say all his "comings" are the same.
You say the rapture of the church is in "power and great glory", and no different than the actual second coming in power and great glory.
SMH..those 2 events are VIVIDLY DEPICTED.
In no possible way are they the same.
Totally bizarre.
You painted yourself into a corner.

 

[The Light]

The dispute was when the rain began…
Noah entered 7 days LATER the rain began.

Not so.

Noah, his family and all the animals entered on the 1st Day of the 7.

For you to be correct Noah would have to enter the ark before the 7 days begin which did not happen.

The belief by many is that the Church will be in heaven before the final 7 years begins. This is not true.

 

[The Light]

Nope.
You seem to think Jesus sitting on a cloud holding a sickle is Jesus coming in power and great Glory.
I already posted Rev 19, which is tge second coming in power and great glory.

The second coming occurs at the 6th seal immediately after the tribulation of those days as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. It is the end of the age. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins. White horses are a year later.

The coming of Jesus in Rev 14 is when the Jews are raptured from the earth. That occurs at the 6th seal BEFORE the wrath of God.

Rev 14
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Revelation 6
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The second coming on white horses is AFTER tge 7 yr trib.
It all lines up perfectly.
Your struggle over tge w I rd "trib" is where you are getting off

This is no 7 year trib. There is a final 7 year period that begins when a covenant with many is made.

The struggle is yours by not understanding that the great tribulation is when the Jews will be hunted down by the beast and it is over at the 6th seal........just like it says. The wrath of God is the 7th seal, and it is when God punishes an evil unbelieving world.

That one item changes your timeline.
It has you saying Rev 14 gathering is the same as the second coming in power and great glory.
Which is ludicrous.

Your logic is flawed. You don't understand what you are reading. I have tried to explain to you that when you are reading Revelation 13 and 14 you are back in the 1st 6 seals. That is when in Rev 14 the unbelievers are cast into the wrath of God. Believers are taken to heaven for the marriage supper where they will remain during the one year wrath of God.

So now you say all his "comings" are the same.

Nope. That's not what I said. It is another misunderstanding by you.

You say the rapture of the church is in "power and great glory", and no different than the actual second coming in power and great glory.
SMH..those 2 events are VIVIDLY DEPICTED.
In no possible way are they the same.
Totally bizarre.
You painted yourself into a corner.

Where did I say that the rapture of Church is Jesus coming in power and glory?

When Jesus comes for the Church, it is the Lord Himself coming for His bride. When the Church is raptured, believers will just disappear. Only those looking for the Lord as instructed will He appear to. Everyone else is going to be running around saying the aliens have come. There will be more fake news reports of aliens, than you can shake a stick at. It will be world government immediately as the world will think it needs to band together to fight nonexistent aliens.

You constantly make false claims of what I am saying. There is no corner I am painted into, just a constant misunderstanding by you.

 

[Taken]

You painted yourself into a corner.

They do Not understand!

There are 4 Separate Occurrences.
1) the Lord descends to the clouds (still Heaven) calls up His Church (Rapture)
2) a lamb on MT Zion…
Mt tops are regularly in the Clouds.
God called (holy ground), and this For the Jews Benefit.
3) a likeness, as the “Son of Man” sitting on a White Cloud” ( still heaven), that All will See.
4) CHRIST JESUS, who Left Earth, returns to Earth… Jesus WITH Power (ie. Christ)…
As you said THAT is His “Return”!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[WPM]

The Problem with men such as yourselves…
Is “gaslighting”, then disagreeing with your “own” claims.

There ARE multiple threads for reference on this topic…

Where are the multiple Claims Quoted of multiple Returns?

Where are the multiple Claimed unanswered questions Quoted?

And are you able / willing to Answer Questions?

Glory to God,
Taken

Do you believe in more than one future coming of Christ?

 

[WPM]

You are either reading a different book than I am, or you are not understanding what you are reading. The first thing the Lord told Noah was to come and enter the ark.

Genesis 7
1 And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

5 And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him.

The Word says that Noah, his family and all of the animals entered the ark on the same day. That day was the day the Lord told him to enter the ark.

Genesis 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

I am not the one in error, so I am not the one making a false allegation.

You Pretribs cannot even agree. LOL. You are both wrong. You have been misled.

That is why you avoid every rebuttal. Checkmate!

 

[The Light]

You Pretribs cannot even agree. LOL. You are both wrong. You have been misled.

That is why you avoid every rebuttal. Checkmate!

I avoid because responding to you is a total waste of time.

I can tell when you go off the rails as pattern is always the same.

You can't respond to the scriptural facts so here comes the personal attacks.

Then you will post dozens of posts so you can claim that you are not responded to.

Listening to the blind tell me what they see is a waste of time.

 

[Taken]

Do you believe in more than one future coming of Christ?

No

 

[Taken]

You Pretribs cannot even agree. LOL. You are both wrong. You have been misled.

That is why you avoid every rebuttal. Checkmate!

What is a pretrib?

In contrast to pre/Trib, What are you?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Revelation is not in chronological order, but the seals are in chronological order. As are the trumpets and vials. To think differently puts you down that rabbit hole you are always talking about.

No. Rev 6 is the coming of the Lord immediately after the great tribulation. He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. This is why there is great multitude in heaven in Rev 7. That's how the great multitude gets to heaven to be at the marriage supper BEFORE the white horse's event of Rev 19.

Just another reason that we know that the 6th seal and 7th seal are different events.




Well we know Jesus comes in power and glory at the 6th seal because the Word of God says so. There is nothing in the Word of God about Jesus coming in power and glory in Rev 19. I am willing to believe anytime Jesus shows up with His angels it will be in power and glory.

You are never able to address the facts. You just skip the scriptural facts and go by what you think. In Revelation 19 the coming on white horses, do you see a harvest? Do you see the angels gathering the elect? Or do you see Jesus coming for the Day of the Lord......Armageddon?

Try using scripture to form your beliefs. This THINKING how end times works does not work.

Just get out of the way and puts things where the God says they go, and quit thinking where they go.

QUOTE
"No. Rev 6 is the coming of the Lord immediately after the great tribulation. He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. This is why there is great multitude in heaven in Rev 7. That's how the great multitude gets to heaven to be at the marriage supper BEFORE the white horse's event of Rev 19."

Rev 6, the sixth seal, which is looking forward to the second coming.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

You are trying to make Rev 14 fit those passages from both Rev 6 and mat 24
Rev 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COMING.
CAN NOT BE THE SAME.
Rev 6 , rev 19, and mat 24 are COMING IN POWER AND WRATH.
THE SECOND COMING.
Rev 14 is solo Jesus SITTING ON A CLOUD.

You missed it by a mile.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Revelation is not in chronological order, but the seals are in chronological order. As are the trumpets and vials. To think differently puts you down that rabbit hole you are always talking about.

No. Rev 6 is the coming of the Lord immediately after the great tribulation. He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. This is why there is great multitude in heaven in Rev 7. That's how the great multitude gets to heaven to be at the marriage supper BEFORE the white horse's event of Rev 19.

Just another reason that we know that the 6th seal and 7th seal are different events.




Well we know Jesus comes in power and glory at the 6th seal because the Word of God says so. There is nothing in the Word of God about Jesus coming in power and glory in Rev 19. I am willing to believe anytime Jesus shows up with His angels it will be in power and glory.

You are never able to address the facts. You just skip the scriptural facts and go by what you think. In Revelation 19 the coming on white horses, do you see a harvest? Do you see the angels gathering the elect? Or do you see Jesus coming for the Day of the Lord......Armageddon?

Try using scripture to form your beliefs. This THINKING how end times works does not work.

Just get out of the way and puts things where the God says they go, and quit thinking where they go.

QUOTE
"There is nothing in the Word of God about Jesus coming in power and glory in Rev 19."

Wow....you really painted yourself into a corner.
Rev 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

100% power and glory
You have demonstrated that your strick word misplacement of "trib", has led you unto ridiculous beliefs, not in the bible.
Mat 24
Rev 6
Rev 19
ALL HAVE JESUS COMING IN POWER AND GREAT GLORY.
AHEM..AS an avenger and judge.

You, misplaced every one of them.
That is confusion.

Rev 14 is a coming NOT TO EARTH, BUT A GATHERING OF MAIN HARVEST JEWS.
It has NO TIES to Rev 19 , or mat 24.
NONE.
MAT 24, REV 6 , AND REV 19, ARE ALL COMING TO EARTH IN POWER AND GREAT GLORY.
You MUST change it around to fit your misplaced timeline.
It WILL NEVER go away.
You need to rethink your methods

 

[rebuilder 454]

They do Not understand!

There are 4 Separate Occurrences.
1) the Lord descends to the clouds (still Heaven) calls up His Church (Rapture)
2) a lamb on MT Zion…
Mt tops are regularly in the Clouds.
God called (holy ground), and this For the Jews Benefit.
3) a likeness, as the “Son of Man” sitting on a White Cloud” ( still heaven), that All will See.
4) CHRIST JESUS, who Left Earth, returns to Earth… Jesus WITH Power (ie. Christ)…
As you said THAT is His “Return”!

Glory to God,
Taken

Agree.
Church raptured
7 yr trib
Belivers That are left behind are martyred and we see them in heaven as the in innumerable number.
AC breaks covenant midway and descecrates the temple.
Jews harvested before the wrath in Rev 14.
Jesus returns post 7 yr trib with his church.

 

[rebuilder 454]

What is a pretrib?

In contrast to pre/Trib, What are you?

I think preterist.
They use a totally different bible.
There is almost zero common ground with them.
Radically misguided end times baloney.
I have all of them on ignore.
They can not respectfully engage any challenge, and are nasty individuals.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Disagree.

Noah WAS in the Ark, 7 days BEFORE the Rain Began.

Gen 7:
[1] And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.


[4] For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.


Glory to God,
Taken

It could be.
In fact you are most likely correct.
I just do not need that dynamic to defend my position.

Also ....some are trying to make a point that all were loaded the same day.
Virtually impossible.
The 7 day thingy fits

 

[Taken]

It could be.
In fact you are most likely correct.
I just do not need that dynamic to defend my position.

Also ....some are trying to make a point that all were loaded the same day.
Virtually impossible.
The 7 day thingy fits

God (I believe) “delivered” the Animals to the Ark….and speculating they were already, with their “like KIND”.
Seems, loading, would be a matter of up a ramp, and directing them to spaces prepared for them.
The Ark was not gigantic. There were not as many animals as people “imagine”.
They were “KINDS”, not species.

The birds were (I believe most plentiful). And they could broadly roost anywhere, whereas the land animals, with their own Kinds could be contained, Fed, managed.
Don’t expect animals ate much…not working, moving about, and perhaps they were all
“Young”…smaller sized.

My speculation, is birds likely provided the most “meat source food” for humans, carnivores, and scrap predators.
And no shortage of fresh water, and grains, dried herbs, in storage pots.

It’s just curiosity…that makes no difference HOW, only to Trust, God facilitated, and Noah accomplished his part.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

It could be.
In fact you are most likely correct.
I just do not need that dynamic to defend my position.

Also ....some are trying to make a point that all were loaded the same day.
Virtually impossible.
The 7 day thingy fits

I don’t think same day “loading” is impossible…but that guiding them to their spaces, would be exhausting, even daunting…

Glory to God,
Taken