What exactly is ''resting'' on the Sabbath as to keeping it 'Holy'?

[Grailhunter]

So you claim 613 commandments and Moses wrote them and when I show you by Scripture that's not true you disregard because its OC Scripture. I hate to break it to you but the God of the OT is the same God of the NT.

You are right Yahweh is the same God but we are in a New Covenant with the same God.

 

[LawofLove]

Are going to use a marker to strike out 2/3rds of the New Testament?

No I never said that you plucked them out of context and I do not use Paul to correct God because Paul in His own words said everything has to be according to Christ.

Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone [a]cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

So if you can't duplicate your understanding of these verses from what Christ taught I would consider the warning that many twist Paul's writings, to their own destruction 2Peter3:16

Paul never taught we do not have to keep the law of God, he said breaking it is sin Rom7:7 it dishonors God Rom 2:21-23 makes one an enmity to God Rom8:7-8 and keeping the commandments of God is what matters 1Cor7:19

Obviously two different laws Paul speaks of, not one. Many get the law that is contrary and against Deut 31:24-26 sadly mixed up with the law of God that is holy, just and good, Rom7:12 written by the finger of God Exo31:18 that is perfect for converting the soul Psa19:7 As if breaking the Ten Commandments is good and keeping them is bad, sounds like something that deceived our first parents.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Again Old Covenant scriptures.

anything wrong with O.T scripture? why does it represent more than half of our bibles? do we have Gods words written in these pages for nothing ? GOD DOES NOT CHANGE. if they are not important enough to quote why don't just rip them off from your bible?

 

[LoveYeshua]

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you did say you were a theologian I checked, and I quote:"You are talking to a theologian....college educated in 5 countries. God gave the land to Isreal". then why do you not understand what Paul spoke about? the joke is on you.

 

[LawofLove]

You are right Yahweh is the same God but we are in a New Covenant with the same God.

That's rights and the same God wrote His laws in our hearts and minds Heb8:10 instead of deleting them. They went from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart 2 Cor3:3 the location changed not God's laws just as He promised of not altering His words Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19 Why its still a sin to break them in the NC 1John3:4 James 2:10-12 Mat5:19-30 Rom7:7

 

[LoveYeshua]

logging off, some will be relieved... lol!

 

[Grailhunter]

No I never said that you plucked them out of context and I do not use Paul to correct God because Paul in His own words said everything has to be according to Christ.

Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone [a]cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

So if you can't duplicate your understanding of these verses from what Christ taught I would consider the warning that many twist Paul's writings, to their own destruction 2Peter3:16

Paul never taught we do not have to keep the law of God, he said breaking it is sin Rom7:7 it dishonors God Rom 2:21-23 makes one an enmity to God Rom8:7-8 and keeping the commandments of God is what matters 1Cor7:19

Obviously two different laws Paul speaks of, not one. Many get the law that is contrary and against Deut 31:24-26 sadly mixed up with the law of God that is holy, just and good, Rom7:12 written by the finger of God Exo31:18 that is perfect for converting the soul Psa19:7 As if breaking the Ten Commandments is good and keeping them is bad, sounds like something that deceived our first parents.

Post 53 proves that Paul did not believe we were under the Law. He says it plainly several times. Paul does not preach the traditions of men.

 

[LawofLove]

anything wrong with O.T scripture? why does it represent more than half of our bibles? do we have Gods words written in these pages for nothing ? GOD DOES NOT CHANGE. if they are not important enough to quote why don't just rip them off from your bible?

It wasn't wrong for Jesus or the apostles. They quoted from it constantly and called in Scripture and said its to be used for doctrine, instruction on righteousness and correction. Jesus quoted from OT and told mankind its what we should live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat4:4

 

[Grailhunter]

anything wrong with O.T scripture? why does it represent more than half of our bibles? do we have Gods words written in these pages for nothing ? GOD DOES NOT CHANGE. if they are not important enough to quote why don't just rip them off from your bible?

I did not say there was anything wrong with the OT scripture. But they pertain to the Old Covenant with God.
There was no salvation in the Old Covenant and there is in the New Covenant. That is a change.

 

[Grailhunter]

That's rights and the same God wrote His laws in our hearts and minds Heb8:10 instead of deleting them. They went from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart 2 Cor3:3 the location changed not God's laws just as He promised of not altering His words Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19 Why its still a sin to break them in the NC 1John3:4 James 2:10-12 Mat5:19-30 Rom7:7

Post 53

 

[LawofLove]

Post 53 proves that Paul did not believe we were under the Law. He says it plainly several times. Paul does not preach the traditions of men.

Under the law means being guilty before God Rom3:19-20 or under the penalty/condenemation of the law the wages of sin is death. Rom6:23

Not that I can go murder my neighbor and vain the name of the LORD or break the least of these commandments and sin.

Why one of the last verses in the Bible says this...

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who [a]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

There are 7 verses after this and not one of them take it back it would literally contradict every thus saith the LORD. Paul was a professed servant of God Rom1:1 and a servant serves the way the Master asks Isa56:6 not on their own terms which defeats the purpose.

I am OK agreeing to disagree- God will sort this all out soon enough. I would sure hate to be wrong through.

 

[LawofLove]

logging off, some will be relieved... lol!

Night! Following suit.

God Bless all!

 

[Grailhunter]

Under the law means being guilty before God Rom3:19-20 or under the penalty/condenemation of the law the wages of sin is death. Rom6:23

Not that I can go murder my neighbor and vain the name of the LORD or break the least of these commandments and sin.

Why one of the last verses in the Bible says this...

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who [a]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

There are 7 verses after this and not one of them take it back it would literally contradict every thus saith the LORD. Paul was a professed servant of God Rom1:1 and a servant serves the way the Master asks Isa56:6 not on their own terms which defeats the purpose.

I am OK agreeing to disagree- God will sort this all out soon enough. I would sure hate to be wrong through.

Do you know Yeshua's commandment are.
We live in the New Covenant with God and Paul made it clear that we are not under or obligated to the law.
In fact there is a curse on it living under the law.....You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. Galatians 5:4

 

[LoveYeshua]

Post 53 proves that Paul did not believe we were under the Law. He says it plainly several times. Paul does not preach the traditions of men.

2Pe 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[Grailhunter]

2Pe 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

What does this have to do with resting on the Sabbath or the Law?

 

[Wrangler]

I am going to struggle mightily in keeping the Sabbath this week with too much to do. Made a list this morning of 15 things to do. A1 priority is Sabbath - meaning other things need to be done another day. But can I resist the temptation to keep resting in the face of things needing to be done?

 

[MatthewG]

Didn’t Jesus say something like come to me all you who are burdened and heavy laden.

Jesus gives us rest. Peace with God.
Jesus also helps us by the Spirit of Christ that lives inside of you helping the grow your child of God status to a son or daughter of God as you mature in the spirit.

Notice it’s just abiding in Jesus and allowing yourself to die with him and be risen again with him into newness of life.

By the Spirit of Christ. Anything from Jesus is holy right? It’s not ourselves it’s from him. So those heavenly attributes and fruits of the spirit like love mercy kindness faithfulness are all fed and nurtured by your relationship with God himself through Yeshua.

 

[Brakelite]

The Sabbath was given as a sign and covenant between god and Israel alone! To thei day, even belieivng Jews are called to keep the Sabbath.

Exodus 31:12-17​

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12 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.
14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

As a believer and a Gentile (if you are) you are under no legal obligation to keep Shabbat.

Paul made this clear in Romans 14:

Romans 14​

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14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

The sabbath day was blessed and made holy at creation. God confirmed this when He introduced manna, and reinforced it with the 4th commandment. Nowhere in scripture or in history are we told that the holiness has been removed by God. The day itself is holy still. If you desire to ignore one commandment among the 9, you better have some good sound explanation when you meet the Lord when He comes.

 

[Brakelite]

I am going to struggle mightily in keeping the Sabbath this week with too much to do. Made a list this morning of 15 things to do. A1 priority is Sabbath - meaning other things need to be done another day. But can I resist the temptation to keep resting in the face of things needing to be done?

We keep the 4th commandment in the same manner and by the same strength we obey all the others. By faith in God's power to empower us in our resolve to obey. By abiding in Him, at all times, and focusing on those things on Sabbath of which we know meet with God's approval.

 

[LawofLove]

Didn’t Jesus say something like come to me all you who are burdened and heavy laden.

Yes, Jesus said this, but there is more than one rest in Scripture this is what Jesus was responding to:

Mat 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am [a]gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

Psa 38:3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.4 For mine iniquities are gone over mine head: as an heavy burden they are too heavy for me.


Jesus said this and still kept the 4th commandment Luke 4:16 John15:10 so it was never one replacing the other. It actually defeats the purpose because sin is breaking the law of God 1John3:4 breaking one commandment we break them all James2:10-12

Jesus invites us to hear His voice and not harden our hearts to sin, unbelief, disobedience and rebellion all used interchangeable. Heb3:7-19

We do not have to live in our sins- He is the Great Physician and can help us overcome when we humbly go to Him ask for His forgiveness ask for His help in overcoming and forsaking our sins Pro28:13 we do not have to do this alone- He can give us rest, but in Christ rest no one is rebelling against one of God's commandments- many treat the 4th commandment different than God did and changed His times and laws Dan7:25 but that did not come from God. Psa89:34 Ecc3:14 Mat5:18-19

“Oh, that you had heeded My commandments! Then your peace would have been like a river, And your righteousness like the waves of the sea” — Isaiah 48:18 (NKJV)

Jesus gives us rest. Peace with God.
Jesus also helps us by the Spirit of Christ that lives inside of you helping the grow your child of God status to a son or daughter of God as you mature in the spirit.

Notice it’s just abiding in Jesus and allowing yourself to die with him and be risen again with him into newness of life.

By the Spirit of Christ. Anything from Jesus is holy right? It’s not ourselves it’s from him. So those heavenly attributes and fruits of the spirit like love mercy kindness faithfulness are all fed and nurtured by your relationship with God himself through Yeshua.

That's why Jesus gave us the gift of the Sabbath because man cannot make anything holy only God can. God blessed and sanctified the seventh day Sabbath for holy use from the very beginning Gen2:1-3 Exo20:11 and blesses and sanctifies the man when we keep the Sabbath day holy Isa56:1-2 Eze20:12 focusing on our Savior Isa58:13 no other day can substitute because man does not have the power to transfer what God did, to another day against the will of God Dan7:25 man cannot sanctify themselves we need God. The LORD made this clear at His second coming Isa66:17

The Sabbath is a sign between God and man

“hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the LORD your God.’” — Ezekiel 20:20 (NKJV)

“saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”” — Revelation 7:3 (NKJV)

Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD
““Also the sons of the foreigner (Gentiles) Who join themselves to the LORD, to serve Him, And to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants— Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, And holds fast My covenant—” — Isaiah 56:6 (NKJV)

God invited everyone to be His servant- all are called few are chosen because few respond to the call. They want all of God's Blessings on their terms not God's Isa56:1-2 they want to serve Him on their terms not how He asks Isa56:6 God personally tells us in His Word but sadly many do not believe His plain words- even when He personally wrote it Himself Exo20:8-11 Exo31:18