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1 Tim 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
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What don't people understand ?
Christ selected Paul to teach how we today are saved, not Peter, not John, not Matthew, not James but ONLY Paul
Disagree ?
Then list the verses that teach that the 12 have the same authority as Paul as taught in Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 2:7-9, 1 Tim 1:16.
 

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1 Tim 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
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What don't people understand ?
Christ selected Paul to teach how we today are saved, not Peter, not John, not Matthew, not James but ONLY Paul
Disagree ?
Then list the verses that teach that the 12 have the same authority as Paul as taught in Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 2:7-9, 1 Tim 1:16.
1 Timothy 1:16 does not say that only Paul was selected to teach how we today are saved.

All the apostles taught the exact same gospel.

You persist in dredging up the same tired theme in post after post. Are you trying to gain followers for your false doctrine?
 

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1 Timothy 1:16 does not say that only Paul was selected to teach how we today are saved.

All the apostles taught the exact same gospel.

You persist in dredging up the same tired theme in post after post. Are you trying to gain followers for your false doctrine?
""""All the apostles taught the exact same gospel.
In that case you will be able to list the saving gospel verses from Peter, John, James etc

Here are the ones from Paul taught to him by Christ and no-one else :)
Who did Christ select as the Apostle & Minister to the Gentiles ?
Acts 9:15

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, ...
Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles...
Rom 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God...
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The other Apostles agreed & knew who taught who
Gal 2:2

And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,....
Gal 2:7
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
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What is the role of an Apostle/Minister ?
To teach THEIR audience.
BUT NOW there are NO SEPARATE audiences ALL are equal :-
Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
1 Cor 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Col 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
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How are believers 'today' saved, sealed, justified, made righteous ?
By the SAVING Gospel that applies today.
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:

5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
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Your 'deeds'/works/behavior/performance only decide your eternal rewards/loss
Rom 14:10
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
1 Cor 3:10-15
10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
2 Cor 5:10
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
 

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1 Tim 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
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What don't people understand ?
Christ selected Paul to teach how we today are saved, not Peter, not John, not Matthew, not James but ONLY Paul
Disagree ?
Then list the verses that teach that the 12 have the same authority as Paul as taught in Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 2:7-9, 1 Tim 1:16.
huh? This verse is about the mercy of Jesus.
What Paul is saying there is that the Lord was very merciful towards him - since Paul was previously persecuting believers. (chief of sinners v 15)
And that he was the FIRST ONE shown that type of long suffering mercy (road to Damascus)
therefore he now set a pattern for others who could also receive such mercy.

Understand that we have no issues with Paul being apostle to the Gentiles- but we do not acknowledge 2 gospels. If there were 2 then Paul didn't know about it. He wrote that there was only one gospel and let anyone with another one be accursed.- doubly accursed. Surely, he didn't mean Peter & John, etc. But that is what you are saying when you insist this.

It seems that you would be much better off examining your beliefs rather than avoiding those apostles who you think disagree with YOUR beliefs.
Even today, if I were to present the gospel to a group of people who were Jewish- I would present it in a very very different way than I would to a Gentile. Wouldn't you? I sure hope so in order to be most effective.
The Lord certainly understood that.

The Jews were accustomed to 613 laws of the OT, customs, rituals, the temple, the feasts and sacrifices. The believed they knew God and they were awaiting the messiah. The vast majority believed that they needed to earn God's favor by the law. These things were all an integral part of their daily lives- deeply engrained in them. Their messiah was also believed to be a political figure and would not be crucified. The gospel therefore, needed to be presented in a much different way than to the Gentiles-

Most Gentiles were worshipping idols, had no OT laws, etc. Full of sins they worshipped a variety of twisted pagan gods & were not awaiting a messiah. This required a very different way to present the gospel, and that is what you see Paul doing.

Today- the gospel needs to be presented one way to a Mormon, another way to a JW and another way to someone who holds no beliefs.
Perhaps you haven't considered these things. This is WHY we see those who are sent only to one of those. Not all are uniquely qualified for the same purpose.
 

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huh? This verse is about the mercy of Jesus.
What Paul is saying there is that the Lord was very merciful towards him - since Paul was previously persecuting believers. (chief of sinners v 15)
And that he was the FIRST ONE shown that type of long suffering mercy (road to Damascus)
therefore he now set a pattern for others who could also receive such mercy.

Understand that we have no issues with Paul being apostle to the Gentiles- but we do not acknowledge 2 gospels. If there were 2 then Paul didn't know about it. He wrote that there was only one gospel and let anyone with another one be accursed.- doubly accursed. Surely, he didn't mean Peter & John, etc. But that is what you are saying when you insist this.

It seems that you would be much better off examining your beliefs rather than avoiding those apostles who you think disagree with YOUR beliefs.
Even today, if I were to present the gospel to a group of people who were Jewish- I would present it in a very very different way than I would to a Gentile. Wouldn't you? I sure hope so in order to be most effective.
The Lord certainly understood that.

The Jews were accustomed to 613 laws of the OT, customs, rituals, the temple, the feasts and sacrifices. The believed they knew God and they were awaiting the messiah. The vast majority believed that they needed to earn God's favor by the law. These things were all an integral part of their daily lives- deeply engrained in them. Their messiah was also believed to be a political figure and would not be crucified. The gospel therefore, needed to be presented in a much different way than to the Gentiles-

Most Gentiles were worshipping idols, had no OT laws, etc. Full of sins they worshipped a variety of twisted pagan gods & were not awaiting a messiah. This required a very different way to present the gospel, and that is what you see Paul doing.

Today- the gospel needs to be presented one way to a Mormon, another way to a JW and another way to someone who holds no beliefs.
Perhaps you haven't considered these things. This is WHY we see those who are sent only to one of those. Not all are uniquely qualified for the same purpose.
Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
""""huh? This verse is about the mercy of Jesus.

That was first given to Paul & continues today.
List the verses from the 12 that show how Paul was first saved
 

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Yes, 100% correct, the 12 will YET FUTURE again have authority that they had before Paul
Today it is Paul & not the 12
1 Tim 1:16 :-
Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering,
Do you believe you are one of the following :- ?
, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
 

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Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

That was first given to Paul & continues today.
List the verses from the 12 that show how Paul was first saved
You don't respond to replies and just are on wash n repeat like a broken record. I will leave you with this. If this doesn't convince you- nothing will.
he was the
FIRST ONE shown that type of long suffering & mercy (road to Damascus) read the context and quit twisting scripture. He said he was the chief of sinners in the previous verse. All you need to do is connect the dots and quit this cherry picking of words and verses.

I'll go you one better. 16 verses,-
Did Paul learn 2 gospels from the Jesus or just one for the Gentiles only?
SEE VERSE 15-The Gentiles are named before the children of Israel, because Paul's special call was to be the apostle of the Gentiles
but he preached Christ to the Jews first, in every city where there were Jews. SAME GOSPEL.
ONE Gospel- no other- let them be accursed.

Acts 9:1-16
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Then Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest 2and asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.
3As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. 4Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”
5And he said, “Who are You, Lord?”
Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. [a]It is hard for you to kick against the goads.”
6So he, trembling and astonished, said, “Lord, what do You want me to do?”
Then the Lord said to him, “Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
7And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one. 8Then Saul arose from the ground, and when his eyes were opened he saw no one. But they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus. 9And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.
10Now there was a certain disciple at Damascus named Ananias; and to him the Lord said in a vision, “Ananias.”
And he said, “Here I am, Lord.”
11So the Lord said to him, “Arise and go to the street called Straight, and inquire at the house of Judas for one called Saul of Tarsus, for
behold, he is praying. 12And in a vision he has seen a man named Ananias coming in and putting his hand on him, so that he might receive his sight.”
13Then Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much https://biblehub.com/nkjv/acts/9.htm#footnotesharm he has done to Your saints in Jerusalem. 14And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on Your name.”
15But the Lord said to him, “Go, for
he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings,
and the children of Israel.
16For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name’s sake.”


now stop.




 

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You don't respond to replies and just are on wash n repeat like a broken record. I will leave you with this. If this doesn't convince you- nothing will.
he was the
FIRST ONE shown that type of long suffering & mercy (road to Damascus) read the context and quit twisting scripture. He said he was the chief of sinners in the previous verse. All you need to do is connect the dots and quit this cherry picking of words and verses.

I'll go you one better. 16 verses,-

Did Paul learn 2 gospels from the Jesus or just one for the Gentiles only?
SEE VERSE 15-The Gentiles are named before the children of Israel, because Paul's special call was to be the apostle of the Gentiles
but he preached Christ to the Jews first, in every city where there were Jews. SAME GOSPEL.
ONE Gospel- no other- let them be accursed.

Acts 9:1-16
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Then Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest 2and asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.
3As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. 4Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”
5And he said, “Who are You, Lord?”
Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. [a]It is hard for you to kick against the goads.”
6So he, trembling and astonished, said, “Lord, what do You want me to do?”
Then the Lord said to him, “Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
7And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one. 8Then Saul arose from the ground, and when his eyes were opened he saw no one. But they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus. 9And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.
10Now there was a certain disciple at Damascus named Ananias; and to him the Lord said in a vision, “Ananias.”
And he said, “Here I am, Lord.”
11So the Lord said to him, “Arise and go to the street called Straight, and inquire at the house of Judas for one called Saul of Tarsus, for
behold, he is praying. 12And in a vision he has seen a man named Ananias coming in and putting his hand on him, so that he might receive his sight.”
13Then Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much Acts 9 NKJVharm he has done to Your saints in Jerusalem. 14And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on Your name.”
15But the Lord said to him, “Go, for
he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings,
and the children of Israel.
16For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name’s sake.”


now stop.




So you don't consider yourself to be one of the :- ""them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.""
1 Tim 1:16:-
Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
 

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So you don't consider yourself to be one of the :- ""them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.""
1 Tim 1:16:-
Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
Are you stoned or something?
 
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Yes, 100% correct, the 12 will YET FUTURE again have authority that they had before Paul
Today it is Paul & not the 12
1 Tim 1:16 :-
Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering,
Do you believe you are one of the following :- ?
, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
Did you sleep during grammar lessons?
 
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