The Mark of the Beast...

[Marty fox]

Quoting your wannabee buddy:
"Satan worshipers have repented and been saved the bible clearly states that "unrepentance is the only unforgivable sin" thus unrepentant devotion to the beast is the symbolic mark of the beast.

I clearly stated there that you can't repent of the mark

 

[Jack]

You are an immature little child who can do nothing but lie about people and call them names.

You just name called me and told a WHOPPER! You just did exactly what you accused me of doing!

How did you manage to get access to your parents' laptop or phone?

I'm not an Israel wannabee. Look in your mirror.

 

[ewq1938]

There seems to be a clear delineation once the mark is taken. It's not simply a chip in the hand or whatever; they have to worship the Beast to get it.

The bible doesn't say they have to worship to get it.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

 

[Jack]

I clearly stated there that you can't repent of the mark

Quoting the wannabee, AGAIN:
"Satan worshipers have repented and been saved the bible clearly states that "unrepentance is the only unforgivable sin" thus unrepentant devotion to the beast is the symbolic mark of the beast.

 

[Anchorite]

The bible doesn't say they have to worship to get it.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

It seems like worshiping the beast and getting his mark go together.

I do not think a person can get the mark, then claim they do not worship the beast.



Revelation 14

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Quoting your wannabee buddy:
"Satan worshipers have repented and been saved the bible clearly states that "unrepentance is the only unforgivable sin" thus unrepentant devotion to the beast is the symbolic mark of the beast.

You have terrible reading comprehension skills. His understanding of the mark of the beast is that it's something people have when they decide to have "unrepentant devotion to the beast". He is not saying that you can have the mark of the beast and still be saved. He's saying that having the mark of the beast shows that you are unrepentant and are loyal to the beast and not saved.

 

[Jack]

How is that the same as saying that someone can take your understanding of a physical mark of the beast that marks you as being unsaved and still be saved? With his understanding of the mark of the beast as being related to being in unbelief, someone can go from having it to not having it by repenting. In our understanding of it, it wouldn't be possible, but he's not talking from the perspective. Are you unable to address what someone else believes instead of forcing your own beliefs onto someone?

Forcing my beliefs? UTTER HYPOCRISY!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It seems like worshiping the beast and getting his mark go together.

They do.

Revelation 14:9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

This passage makes a direct connection between worshiping the beast and his image and having the mark of the beast. Everyone who worships the beast has the mark of the beast. Which then means that everyone whose names are not written in the book of life worship the beast and have the mark of the beast (Revelation 13:8). So, how exactly can people who live in remote places whose names are not written in the book of life take a physical mark that represents their worship of the beast?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Forcing my beliefs? UTTER HYPOCRISY!

Yes, you are viewing his statement through your understanding of the mark of the beast rather than his. He is saying that having the mark of the beast means you are unrepentant and not saved and you are foolishly trying to say that he is claiming that someone can have the mark of the beast and be saved. He's not saying that at all. You can't see that because you can't read.

 

[ewq1938]

It seems like worshiping the beast and getting his mark go together.

But there is no requirement to worship to get the mark. I think some could want to buy and sell and receive the mark but not be fully sold on the worship part.

I do not think a person can get the mark, then claim they do not worship the beast.

I think most will worship him but I don't see that it is required for the mark. There are not really religious ppl who are buisiness people who might take the mark just to proper financially but not be into the worship aspect.

 

[Anchorite]

So, how exactly can people who live in remote places whose names are not written in the book of life take a physical mark that represents their worship of the beast?

Oh, I’m sure people in remote places will get to where the mark of the beast is given, or the marking team will visit them.

How could a mental attitude of allegiance to the beast determine if you can buy or sell?

Seems more likely and logical that the mark is technology, similar to the implanted chips or RFID tattoos that are currently being used.

 

[Jack]

Yes, you are viewing his statement through your understanding of the mark of the beast rather than his. He is saying that having the mark of the beast means you are unrepentant and not saved and you are foolishly trying to say that he is claiming that someone can have the mark of the beast and be saved. He's not saying that at all. You can't see that because you can't read.

Oh WOW, an Israel wannabee defending an Israel wannabee. Who would believe it!

 

[Rockerduck]

What I've seen and has already been either a test or was the mark of Beast, in the symbolism of Revelation is the Covid shot. You couldn't buy or sell without a mask, and in parts of the world you had to have a card that said you had the shot, and many were fired if they did not take the shot. Hmmmmm. And don't forget it was world wide.

 

[Jack]

What I've seen and has already been either a test or was the mark of Beast, in the symbolism of Revelation is the Covid shot. You couldn't buy or sell without a mask, and in parts of the world you had to have a card that said you had the shot, and many were fired if they did not take the shot. Hmmmmm. And don't forget it was world wide.

A glimpse of the future. A test! Just like cashless.

 

[Rockerduck]

A glimpse of the future. A test! Just like cashless.

We are a cashless society, world wide.

 

[Jack]

We are a cashless society, world wide.

I almost never use cash. When the older cash generation disappears cashless will take over.

 

[Anchorite]

But there is no requirement to worship to get the mark. I think some could want to buy and sell and receive the mark but not be fully sold on the worship part.



I think most will worship him but I don't see that it is required for the mark. There are not really religious ppl who are buisiness people who might take the mark just to proper financially but not be into the worship aspect.

That seems impossible, to get the mark of the beast, but not worship the beast. Scriptures sound like you will get the mark if you worship the beast. You would not want the mark of his name if you just wanted to buy and sell, but did not worship the beast. I do not think the two can be separated.

Revelation 14

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

How could John know the Father’s name was written on their foreheads, if this is not a literal physical mark?

You understand that John was inspired by the Holy Spirit, right? The Holy Spirit can reveal things to us without having to physically show us. Wouldn't you agree? The book of Revelation very clearly contains a lot of symbolism, so why would you think that the Father's name would be literally written on people's foreheads?

Worship of the beast includes receiving the mark of the beast.

I agree. The two go hand in hand, as you said in another post. How can someone's worship be based on a physical mark rather than on their beliefs (forehead) and their actions (right hand)?

This worship could be subtle, just agreeing to get the chip implant or RFID tattoo, so you can buy and sell.

Subtle worship? There is no indication that the worship of the beast is subtle. Those who worship the beast do not have their names written in the Lamb's book of life. That means those who worship the beast deny Jesus Christ. Is there anything subtle about people denying Jesus Christ? No, many people are not subtle about that at all.

I would be wary of anything put on hands or forehead that enables financial transactions.

Why? That should only be the case if there's also an indication that by doing so you are denying Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.

Does not look like there is any way, or desire, to repent from receiving the mark.

That's debatable. Again, having the mark of the beast means that you deny Jesus Christ and are not saved. Obviously, many people who once denied Him later repented and accepted Him. So, I'm not so sure that it's a mark that can't be repented of. It just depends on whether it marks you as being unsaved permanently in the sense of being an unredeemable reprobate or if it marks you as being unsaved in a general sense but not in the sense of being unredeemable and unable to repent.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That seems impossible, to get the mark of the beast, but not worship the beast. Scriptures sound like you will get the mark if you worship the beast.

I agree with you about this, so this gives us some common ground that we can reason through. You seem like a reasonable person. I'm willing to discuss this respectfully with you if that interests you, unlike another person who came here looking for a fight while misrepresenting people and calling them names.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I clearly stated there that you can't repent of the mark

When someone has no reading comprehension skills, I suppose there's nothing you can do to get them to understand what you're actually saying.