Noahs flood NOT worldwide ???

[Rockerduck]

That is conjecture.

The word of God is not conjecture.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Gen 7:
19 .. and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
Gen 8:
1..and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged;
3..and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.
4..And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat. << 5km high
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If the water PREVAILED at 15 cubits above the highest mountains for 6 months it would have had to overflow somewhere if it was just a local flood
Remember 15 cubits over the highest mountains = FAR FAR FAR FAR much more over lower mountains & low lying areas.
Mt Ararat is 5 km's above sea lea.
So where does a minimum 5km high flood water for 6 months overflow flow to ?
Sounds like a WORLDWIDE flood to me.
Thoughts ?

1. Teh flood was global.
2Teh bible says so.
3. geological research and evidence proves it so.
4. Teh topology of the earth is much different today than in Noahs day.
5. the face of the earth was mostly land and not oceans as we have today.Mountains were much lower then
6. Under earth shows the evidence of once holding vast oceans of water.
7. There was enormous tectonic activity during and after the flood. Massive land masses slumnped due to the underground water being pushed out, creating the areas the waters would flow to- our current oceans.
8. Mountains rose for god pushed them up so the waters would not cover the land again.

There is an excellent book by Dr. Norriss "The Genesis Flood" He is a doctor of geology and the book gives enormous physical and biblical evidence for the global flood.

 

[Grailhunter]

Shelton said, Mother what do thing Noah feed all those lions and tigers on the ark for so long?
His mother said, The floating dead bodies of sinners.

We can debate how Noah gathered all the animals of the world and the capacity of the ark to hold all those animals and how did they feed them.....?
We can debate the details of the flood and it extent but.......Science has proven that antient floods occurred and have found seashells on top of mountains and whale bones in the deserts......Also....

Flood stories appear in many ancient cultures, including Mesopotamian, biblical, Greek, Hindu, Chinese, Mesoamerican, and Aboriginal Australian traditions, often featuring a righteous survivor warned in advance who builds a boat or ark to survive the deluge (Epic of Gilgamesh, Noah, Deucalion, Manu)

Anthropologists have documented over 200 independent flood stories worldwide, with striking similarities in
narrative elements such as boats, divine warnings, saving animals and the moral implications and survivors landing on mountains

These stories suggest that early humans experienced catastrophic floods that left a lasting cultural memory.

So there is something true about the flood story in the Genesis. The stories in Genesis are very old and probably came forward as oral traditions. They are vague and lack detail and generate a lot of questions...like....Why are there two creation stories? Where there two popular stories and when it came down to writing them down they decided to keep them both?

The Cosmology of the scriptures are not accurate. Scriptures reference the earth being flat, most of know the world is not flat. The scriptures were written from an antient perspective....Could it be any other way? Could God of explained the correct Cosmology, Quantum science, Nuclear fission to these antient people. What would they have done with a nuclear bomb. It all happened they way it should have.

The thing is, science and religion don't have to be adversaries. As time goes on science proves a lot of what is in the scriptures are true....the people, the places, and the events. It is best to take these biblical stories at face value and still know there is more to the story.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I resist the notion that mountains formed are the result of the flood.

It could be.
But I resist that belief.

Has anyone investigated?
Is there a deeper debate on the 2 positions???

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I resist the notion that mountains formed are the result of the flood.

It could be.
But I resist that belief.

Has anyone investigated?
Is there a deeper debate on the 2 positions???

Yes there is. I recommend Dr. Norriss' book "The Genesis flood" He is a phd geologist with numerous awards and He shows how not only geologically posible but is the best scenario to describe todays planet.

Why do you resist? Why should we take the word of scientists who were not there over the word of God who was there. Psalm 104 shows that after teh flood, Great tectonic activity occurred to uplift the current mountains. Gods Word also shows the dividing of Pangea. It even shows in non scientific terms why biological evolution on the macro scale is impossible.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Yes there is. I recommend Dr. Norriss' book "The Genesis flood" He is a phd geologist with numerous awards and He shows how not only geologically posible but is the best scenario to describe todays planet.

Why do you resist? Why should we take the word of scientists who were not there over the word of God who was there. Psalm 104 shows that after teh flood, Great tectonic activity occurred to uplift the current mountains. Gods Word also shows the dividing of Pangea. It even shows in non scientific terms why biological evolution on the macro scale is impossible.

That actually goes to the high mountains being formed due to the original waters covering the earth in earth's creation.
So high waters create mountains?
Then it must have been before Noah's flood.
I just now thought of that.

 

[William Barton]

IMO:
Look at a map of the world and you will see that the coasts of North America, South America, Australia match the coast of Europe.

The ocean between the two has a deep north-south trench, indicating a sharp split, all along the ocean bottom. This sudden splitting action swept water all over the globe, and then back again into the low areas.

This is recorded in Genesis 7:11:

"...all the fountains of the great deep *burst forth.*

After the millennium the whole universe will be disposed:

"Then I saw a new sky and a new land." (Revelation 21:1)

Sin corrupts the sinner and everything associated with him, hence a new creation.

 

[Truth7t7]

It's debated between global or not.

You decide for yourself.

It doesn't make you any less of a believer in the resurrection of the Lord Jesus right?

There isn't a debate on a local flood as many falsely claim and promote, God's words below clearly silence claims of a localized flood, end of man's storytime!

The scripture is "Very Clear" only those that lived and had breath lived in Noah's Ark, everything else died in the dry land, simple, clear, easy to understand "Before Your Eyes"

Genesis 7:22-24KJV
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

1 Samuel 15:23KJV
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

 

[MatthewG]

There isn't a debate on a local flood as many falsely claim and promote, God's words below clearly silence claims of a localized flood, end of man's storytime!

The scripture is "Very Clear" only those that lived and had breath lived in Noah's Ark, everything else died in the dry land, simple, clear, easy to understand "Before Your Eyes"

Genesis 7:22-24KJV
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

1 Samuel 15:23KJV
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

I hear what you’re saying, but the passages you quoted don’t actually settle the question the way you think they do. Genesis 7 is absolutely clear that everything in the land being judged perished — but the text never says the entire globe, every continent, and every people group on earth were destroyed. It says “all in whose nostrils was the breath of life… in the dry land” (Genesis 7:22). That’s the same language used elsewhere for regional judgment, like when God destroyed “all the land of Egypt” (Exodus 10:14) — which obviously didn’t mean the whole planet.

The Bible often uses universal language to describe covenant land, not the entire earth. For example, in Deuteronomy 2:25 God says He will put fear on “all nations under heaven,” yet that clearly refers to the nations surrounding Israel, not every nation on earth.

The real issue is this: the flood narrative is about God judging a specific world of people, the world that had corrupted itself (Genesis 6:11–12). Peter even calls it “the world of the ungodly” (2 Peter 2:5), not the entire planet.

And 1 Samuel 15:23 doesn’t apply to people who read the text differently — it’s about Saul’s rebellion against a direct command from God. Interpreting the flood as covenant‑wide rather than globe‑wide is not rebellion; it’s simply reading Scripture in context.

Jesus Himself said that the generation He judged would experience something “such as has not been since the beginning of the world, nor ever shall be” (Matthew 24:21). That same kind of language appears in the flood account — unique, catastrophic, covenantal — but not necessarily global in the modern scientific sense.

So no, I don’t see a case for calling people rebellious simply because they understand the flood as the destruction of the world of Noah, not the entire planet. The text allows for that, and the rest of Scripture uses the same language for regional judgments.

 

[William Barton]

IMO:
The Bible indicates that eight people alone survived the Genesis flood: Noah, his wife, his three sons, and their three wives (Genesis chapters 6-8).

We are all their ancestors, hence we are all descendants of Adam and of Noah.

 

[Truth7t7]

I hear what you’re saying, but the passages you quoted don’t actually settle the question the way you think they do. Genesis 7 is absolutely clear that everything in the land being judged perished — but the text never says the entire globe, every continent, and every people group on earth were destroyed. It says “all in whose nostrils was the breath of life… in the dry land” (Genesis 7:22). That’s the same language used elsewhere for regional judgment, like when God destroyed “all the land of Egypt” (Exodus 10:14) — which obviously didn’t mean the whole planet.

The Bible often uses universal language to describe covenant land, not the entire earth. For example, in Deuteronomy 2:25 God says He will put fear on “all nations under heaven,” yet that clearly refers to the nations surrounding Israel, not every nation on earth.

The real issue is this: the flood narrative is about God judging a specific world of people, the world that had corrupted itself (Genesis 6:11–12). Peter even calls it “the world of the ungodly” (2 Peter 2:5), not the entire planet.

And 1 Samuel 15:23 doesn’t apply to people who read the text differently — it’s about Saul’s rebellion against a direct command from God. Interpreting the flood as covenant‑wide rather than globe‑wide is not rebellion; it’s simply reading Scripture in context.

Jesus Himself said that the generation He judged would experience something “such as has not been since the beginning of the world, nor ever shall be” (Matthew 24:21). That same kind of language appears in the flood account — unique, catastrophic, covenantal — but not necessarily global in the modern scientific sense.

So no, I don’t see a case for calling people rebellious simply because they understand the flood as the destruction of the world of Noah, not the entire planet. The text allows for that, and the rest of Scripture uses the same language for regional judgments.

1 Samuel 15:23KJV
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

The scripture is "Very Clear" only those that lived and had breath lived in Noah's Ark, everything else died in the dry land, simple, clear, easy to understand "Before Your Eyes"

Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

Genesis 7:22-24KJV
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

 

[MatthewG]

Ok. It doesn’t really matter to me. Just sharing. Global / regional / Pangea.

Whatever. Regional seems to be the best fit though. People choose.

It’s not something to hate people for.