If sealed with the HS, how does one become UNsealed ?

[PeterAndroz]

There are some questions about Hebrews. Called Hebrew but the word Jew is not in it.
You have very few scriptures to support your position, I have given you quite a few.
Care to explain the discrepancy between scriptures. Take them one at a time.

Does Scripture teach that Paul wrote Hebrews ? NO
So again the question is :-
Where does Paul (Rom-Philemon) teach that a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer can become UNsealed ?
If there are no verses then fess up & say so :)

 

[Grailhunter]

Does Scripture teach that Paul wrote Hebrews ? NO
So again the question is :-
Where does Paul (Rom-Philemon) teach that a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer can become UNsealed ?
If there are no verses then fess up & say so :)

I already said there are some questions about Hebrews.
Again you do not have much to offer.
How many ways sin can send you to hell is well explained they just did not use the phrase unsealed.

 

[PeterAndroz]

I already said there are some questions about Hebrews.
Again you do not have much to offer.
How many ways sin can send you to hell is well explained they just did not use the phrase unsealed.

Verses is the request, not opinions.
I'll change the request :-
Are you aware of any verses where Paul (Rom-Philemon) teaches that a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer can become UNsealed ?

 

[Grailhunter]

Does Scripture teach that Paul wrote Hebrews ? NO
So again the question is :-
Where does Paul (Rom-Philemon) teach that a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer can become UNsealed ?
If there are no verses then fess up & say so :)

Before we go on I want to make something clear.
Although I know that a Christian can sin their way to Hell. And I am sure there not going to be a bunch of evil in Heaven. How absurd an idea. You are at the heavenly banquet table and you look over and a guy is pouring ketchup on some's arm because he is cannibal.

But people to think that I believe salvation is easily lost. Be good and do good the best you can and ask forgiveness for the rest. It is Yeshua that will judge and He will be judging Christians.
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 2nd Corinthians 5:10

 

[Grailhunter]

Verses is the request, not opinions.
I'll change the request :-
Are you aware of any verses where Paul (Rom-Philemon) teaches that a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer can become UNsealed ?

I have definitely given more verse on topic than you can offer.
And I have already answered this question.
Ya want them again?
Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many [a]miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.”

2nd Corinthians 5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad..

Matthew 18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.

Philippians 2:12 So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;

1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor those habitually drunk, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God”

Galatians 5:19-21 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Ephesians 5:3-5 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

John 5:28-29 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

 

[PeterAndroz]

I have definitely given more verse on topic than you can offer.
And I have already answered this question.
Ya want them again?
Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many [a]miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.”

2nd Corinthians 5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad..

Matthew 18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.

Philippians 2:12 So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;

1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor those habitually drunk, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God”

Galatians 5:19-21 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Ephesians 5:3-5 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

John 5:28-29 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

John is not Paul
Matt is not Paul
You have NOT provided verses FROM Paul (Rom-Philemon) that teach a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer can become UNsealed.

 

[Grailhunter]

John is not Paul
Matt is not Paul
You have NOT provided verses FROM Paul (Rom-Philemon) that teach a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer can become UNsealed.

I gave you quite a few scriptures from Paul actually most of them were from Paul or Yeshua.
And I have already responded to this post. Paul explained how many ways you can sin your way out of going to Heaven. Stop repeating yourself.

 

[Ziggy]

Hos, Luke, Rev, Dan is not Paul
Where does Paul teach a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer can become UNsealed ?

That would be asking, could or would God remove his Holy Spirit from you if you turned your back on him.

Eph 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Gen 6:6
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Psa 78:40
How oft did they provoke him in the wilderness, and grieve him in the desert!

Isa 63:10
But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.

Mar 3:5
And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.

Act 7:51
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

1Th 5:19
Quench not the Spirit.

All I can say is, once you been sealed your better off to stay on God's good side. Because I don't think having him as your enemy is a good thing.

Hugs

 

[Wrangler]

Where does Christ through Paul teach that a SEALED believer can become UNsealed ?
Verses please :)

Why not ask where does Christ through Paul teach this on a Tuesday on a full moon when the tide is out? Why be so open to consider only what Paul wrote? Jesus himself has much to say on the topic. Is Paul your lord and savior that you give his words more weight than Christ?

Then why are there so many verses to the contrary?

1. Jesus talked about salt and branches being set afire or thrown out when they don't function as intended. That's us (losing our salvation) he's talking about!
2. He also talked repeatedly about actually doing what God commands is what makes one his brothers (in God's kingdom, implying those who don't aren't).
   • He wouldn't say this if it were not possible for us to FAIL.
3. Mark 11:25 When you are praying, and you remember that you are angry with another person about something, then forgive him. If you do this, then your Father in heaven will also forgive your sins.” See the conditional, if-then? This too implies failing to act as commanded means your salvation will be lost.
4. James 5:16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. He's talking to those who already have salvation, already have Jesus in them, who sin and need to be healed AGAIN.
5. Then in Hebrews, there is a sin that there is NO sacrifice to cover it.
   • Again, He wouldn't say this if it were not possible for us to DO the unforgivable sin (that Jesus' sacrifice doesn't cover).

None of this supports one and done theology but ongoing conditions to be met. You preach a half and therefore, false Gospel relying on fallacies and semantic arguments rather than God's word.

With Paul's writing, his audience are those who are holding firm, not to those seeds that grow quickly but die. Jesus told us to abide in him and he will abide in us. He wouldn't say this if it were impossible for us to NOT abide in him.