When Jesus "took away" your sin, did He leave behind the source, the sin nature?

[Anchorite]

Listen @Anchorite ,


Well, what you dont know about me is that im a Legit Seminary Trained Evangelist who has the gift of "teaching".

So, that has to be corrected, and that means the person is going to become angry when they are corrected.
That is what happened to you, which is why you are talking about some person that was having a "energetic" coversation with me, as if that is your business, and in fact, its not @Anchorite .

Understand?

I understand that you do not exhibit Christian love or correct doctrine. You insult a woman who told you she was done arguing with you, but you persisted in pestering her anyway. You are interested in dominating, not discussing.

It is my business because this is a group discussion forum. You were not private messaging her.

She told you directly:

I don't want to argue this with you again. We've done it over and over, and I give you verses and you give me the same lecture each time as if I think if I sin that I'm not saved. I do not think that…

Whatever seminary you went to means nothing to me. I’m glad you put “teaching” in quotation marks, which means “supposedly”.

Many other members have tried to correct your false libertine doctrine, but you are too vain to be receptive to scriptural reproof.

 

[Behold]

Hmmm! Brother, that is not the meaning of grace.

And of course you dont provide your definition of Grace.

So, Let me provide the standard definition for you, so that you can have one for next time

Grace is "God's unmerited favor".

Try that one and if you need a few more, i can supply them for you.

I don't believe "every sin is willfull."

Every sin is not willful., but most are, as i stated.
See, most of the time, (for example) when a Christian chooses to watch say.....>Netflix........they are going to see something that is sexual, sensual, or God offending.....and they chose to watch it...........willfully.

So, if we put that spotlight on YOU< then we can find something that you are doing, willfully, that everyone here would say is a "sin".

However, My main issue with you, is not just that your theology is the typical that is found in an "Assembly of God" handbook.

My main issue with you, is that you told this forum that "God always answers your prayers, every single one of them".

So, i asked you to pray that God would send Jesus TODAY..........and you became SILENT.........a few times.
And you'll do it again, because you are FAKING something that you enjoy faking because you are carnal that way @1stCenturyLady .
You like to try to be perceived as being "spiritual", as that is your ministry.

And Sure a lot of your "salvation theology" is rotten Pentecostal - Charismatic nonsense, but when you tell the forum that God always answers your prayers and then i gave you one to Pray, and you ....ran away....3 or 4 times......after i asked you.
Then i realized that you are just one of those who plays religious games.

What I tire of are people that cannot discern what is self righteousness and righteousness.

Self righteousness is "trying to make your SELF right with God"" by moses law, commandment keeping, water baptism, confessing sin, and any other self effort.

God's righteousness, is "Christ's Righteousness" given to a BELIEVER, as "imputed righteousness".
See Romans 4 for the update on "imputed righteousness".

Or just read this..

":Our FAITH is counted by God as (Christ's) Righteousness" imputed to us.

1st sentence: You would have to be illiterate to believe we can't lose our salvation as the Bible makes it clear.

You can only lose your salvation if Jesus's Sacrifice can't keep you saved.
And that's what heretics teach. They teach that God's Son's Blood and Death is not able to keep you saved, and that is a Cross Rejecting Lie that only the worst type of self righteous heretics teach.

I prefer Pentecostal churches to visit most, because they believe the entire Word of God

I told you that you were a pentecostal - charismatic.
And i didnt need a crystal ball to know it.
I can see you.......i can see what has shaped your phony religious ACT.
Thats a fact, and that is why i told you 6 yrs ago, that you are a person who was long ago deceived by this "charismatic nonsense".

And 6 yrs later, you are no different, and if you live 6 more years, you'll stay the same, as you have a stronghold in your mind that they created to be there long ago, and the root is HUGE by this time in your life.
And Thats a fact that your "teaching" will prove over and over.

4th paraphrah: I don't lie, period.

You lied a few times when you told this Forum that "God always answers my prayers".

And you'll lie about this again.
It what you do, becausse its who you are @1stCenturyLady .

the New Covenant is much greater than the Old Covenant.

Actually the New Covenant has REPLACED the OLD ONE, because "God found Fault with it".

Read Heb 8 sometime and find out about that...

I don't agree this is just to unsaved Jews.

28 “Therefore let it be known to you that the salvation of God has been sent to the Gentiles, and they will hear it!”

I didnt say that Acts 28:28 is "Just for Jews."
I said that this verse is the same as you find as Hebrews 10........where an apostle is trying to get Jews (Hebrews) to receive their Messiah, and they WILLFULLY wont do it.

It is more than "provided forgiveness." The blood of Jesus took away all desire to sin willfully and lawlessly.

Becoming a Christian, does not take away "desire for sin".
What takes away carnal desire, as Paul teaches.... is to have right faith.........as when you do, then "sin consciousness" fades, and that means the deires to commit carnality , fades.
Its also a fact that we can receive complete deliverence over some long stanging carnal desires.

Do you also believe as other OSASers that all your past, present and future sins have already been forgiven?

I pay no attention to OSAS arguments, as these arguments are only started by people who dont understand God's Grace or Jesus's Blood atonement.
What i teach, is Paul's Theology., and Paul teaches that we are "in Christ", "one with God",, "seated in heavenly places"........so that means we have no SIN, or we could not be there or remain there.
So, we see that Jesus's Sacrifice is "ETERNAL"........."the one time ETERNAL Sacrifice FOR SIN">...

That solves it, for ""ETERNITY", as God's forgiveness is Eternal forgiveness or it would fail us.,and God never fails.

I sought the baptism for about 6 years before I finally received it on 2/9/77. I'll never forget that date. My life changed forever.

You sought the "infilling" or what you call the "baptism" that the Methodists and the Nazerenes, call a "2nd work of grace" because some heretic told you that you should be trying to get it.
Other "chronic seekers" like you chase "speaking in tongues" for years, and years.
A.) Wasting your time, in both cases.
See, They lied to you, and now you pass along this same lie to any bible noob who will believe your Pentecostal Sales pitch, because they dont have any bible knowledge or spirituality that would instantly tell them...>"avoid this one"..

It is because our beliefs are radically different that you believe all sin is willful

Ive never posted that "all sin is willful".
So, maybe you should repent of that lie, also.

and I don't, and you believe in OSAS and I don't.

I dont even think about OSAS, unless someone like you says something to me about it.
And you dont even understand it, correctly.
But you can open your NT and find that Paul was accused of OSAS, by religious Jews, who are just like you.
They dont understand "the Gift of Salvation" that is the BLood Atonement, that is Eternal life.
You should find out what Paul said should happen to heretics who accuse Christians of this "osas" Lie, who are not teaching anything except "The Gospel of the Grace of God".

Question. Do you believe a born again Christian is able to do any of these sins in Galatian 5:19-21 and only lose rewards?

First of all, your verse does not call any of that "sin".
Its called "works of the flesh" insteaD, and you dont know why...

2nd... your verse says that those who commit those "works of the flesh" = shall not inherit the KOG"""........and in fact every born again Christian, is already IN the KOG..........having been "translanted" into it from "darknes".
So, you are a person who does not even understand the simple fact that all Christians are "ONE WITH GOD">.. "IN CHRIST"... "seated in Heavenly PLaces"..
And all of that is to be IN the KOG.........the Born again, are born again into it.......so your verse is only talkiing about people who are not yet born again.

 

[Behold]

I understand that you do not exhibit Christian love or correct doctrine.

Apparently your opinion is your God, and you seem also to be filled with false insinuation, while you falsely claim i'm the issue.

So, go ahead and post anything that you claim that im teaching that isn't correct doctrine,., and i'll show you that its what Paul teaches.
This means that if you have an issue with my Teaching, then you have an issue with Paul's Doctrine, as this is all i teach.
And you are welcome to go to WikI or Google and find out what is "Paul's doctrine" so that you have a clue, as currently you dont @Anchorite .
Thats a fact.

You insult a woman who told you she was done arguing with you,

Why lie?
Why continue to lie.
So, as i told you, i responded to her post......and there was no insult in it.
I told her, as i'll tell you, that everyone is a product of who has taught them., = bible theology, And if your teacher is a heretic, then you become one.
See, Heretics hatch Heretrics.
And ill remind you that the conversation i was having with this member, is not your jurisdiction.
Comprehend yet @Anchorite ?

but you persisted in pestering her anyway. You are interested in dominating, not discussing.

Read my final post to this member again, as all i did with her, or with you, or with anyone here, is RESPOND.
Once i responded to her last post, .......i moved on.
This is always the same with PS95........as they'll post to me, and i respond, and then we both move on.
You should try it., as well.

It is my business because this is a group discussion forum. You were not private messaging her.

As i informed you previously...., its not your jurisdiction., but you've decided that because you can't defend your nonsense theology, in our discussions.. that you'll post your opinions about my discussion with another member.

She told you directly:

She told me directly only after a long POST that argued with me, and got a bit personal.
So, i responded., and then i left.
Its really that simple @Anchorite .
Tho, you seem to be having trouble comprehending it.
So, i'll tell you again, when i respond to your next 3 or 4 posts where you continue to post your opinions.
No worries.

Whatever seminary you went to means nothing to me. I’m glad you put “teaching” in quotation marks, which means “supposedly”.

It does not mean "supposedly" to me. What it means to me, is what i posted .
To me it means......Im here teaching, while you are still here whining about a discussion i had with another member on another day.
Feel free to whine some more, as that replaces your unfortunate theology posts that are not related to and in fact deny : Paul's Doctrine.

And as i told you, my Threads speak for themselves..... there is somewhere around 400 of them........ and they all Teach., because that is what i do on forums, when i have some free time.
I have some today, so, that is why im here.

So, just in case you want to post something on this Thread that is related to the Topic, .........feel free.
Or feel free to continue to whine about a post that i posted to another member, on a different day.
It makes no difference to me what you do, until you post something that offends God's Grace, and if i see it, then you and i will be having a different discussion.
And by the Way, i appreciate that you feel that you need to be the protector of some random woman on this forum, whom you'll never meet in real life.
I get it, that you feel "connected" to her...........and that is something that ive seen before.. @Anchorite .
However, what is more important is that you ultimately realize that she's having some issues with understading why Jesus's Blood keeps her saved, and she needs help., and you are not the help, because you have the same theological - faith issue. @Anchorite .

Many other members have tried to correct your false libertine doctrine,

Im on this forum for 6 yrs.
You'll never last that long, because you dont have what it takes.

Now, What you meant to say is that many members who dont trust in Christ to keep them saved, hope to try to prove it when talking to me, and because they can't prove it, they eventually revert to carnal innuendo, or they try to "deflect" by trying to discuss my other posts sent to other members.

See you there @Anchorite

but you are too vain to be receptive to scriptural reproof.

You are not mentally or theologically equipped to send me any legit reproof, little one.
First, You would have to learn some bible, and i would have to forget a lot.......and neigher of those is going to happen.
You can't even explain why Jesus's Sacrifice that Saves a sinner, keeps them saved forever., and that is Bible 101, and you are not there yet, @Anchorite .

I can help you with that, but until you are able to listen and not just whine..........then you'll remain a Heb 6:1 and apparently continue to overly concern yourself with my posts that ive sent to other (female only) members.

 

[complete]

'But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light,
we have fellowship one with another,
and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin,
we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar,
and His word is not in us.'
(1Jn 1:7-10)

Praise God!

 

[Behold]

'But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light,

Jesus is the "Light of the world"......so the way you "walk in".. that light..... is to become born again, as then you have eternally become a "child of the Light'..... "translated from darkness.......>TO LIGHT".

we have fellowship one with another,
and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin.

The blood of Jesus always cleanses us from Sin.....or as Paul teaches....>>"where sin abounds , GRACE, more abounds".

This means that once you are washed in the sin purging BLOOD of Holy Jesus, and are no longer under the law, then you are kept clean by the redemption that is found as the : Blood Atonement.

If we say that we have no sin,
we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If you say you have sin, when Jesus has become your "one time eternal sacrifice for sin", then you are either lying, very theologically confused, or you are not yet actually forgiven.

Which is it?

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,

God forgives a sinner, not because they confess sin, but because they have trusted in Christ and are eteranlly forgiven

and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Its the /BLOOD Atonement/ that always cleanses us from unrighteousness.

And the wonder is.....that once we are "made righteous" by God's "gift of Righteousness" we are forever become "the righteousness of God IN CHRIST".

Reader, the only way you can go to heaven is to be SINLESS, and the only way you can become SINLESS is through the Blood Atonement.

Paul refers to this as being "blood bought", and Contempory Hymns teach it like this..

What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
What can make me whole again?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

O precious is the flow
that makes me white as snow;
no other fount I know;
nothing but the blood of Jesus.

For my pardon this I see:
nothing but the blood of Jesus.
For my cleansing this my plea:
nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Nothing can for sin atone:
nothing but the blood of Jesus.
Naught of good that I have done:
nothing but the blood of Jesus.

This is all my hope and peace:
nothing but the blood of Jesus.
This is all my righteousness:
nothing but the blood of Jesus.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar,

If we say we have sin, when God "hath made Jesus to be sin for us".....then you are either lying or you are very theologically confused, or you are not actually forgiven your sin and born again, yet.

Which is it?

 

[ProDeo]

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,

God forgives a sinner, not because they confess sin, but because they have trusted in Christ and are eteranlly forgiven

Scripture says : if we confess our sins God will forgive our sins.

@Behold says : no, no, it's not because we confess our sins.

I prefer Scripture.

 

[Behold]

Scripture says : if we confess our sins God will forgive our sins.

God's salvation says that "Jesus is the ONE TIME ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin"... and that means that Jesus has eternally dealt with your sin, if you are a born again Christian.

This is why 2 Corin 5:19 and Romans 4:8 (Paul teaching) says that God wont ever again charge sin to a BELIEVER.
Go read it.

And why will God never charge sin against a born again Christian?
Its Because God has already JUDGED Jesus on the Cross for all our Sin, and He died for them and rose again, and that relsoved the sin issue forever for all Christians, 2000 yrs ago.

@Behold says : no, no, it's not because we confess our sins.

If you have sin, then Jesus has not paid for them yet, so that means you're not a Christian yet.

Christians dont have sin, as if they have it, they are not a Chrisitan.
Christians dont have sin, and that is because "God hath made Jesus to be SIN for us"... ("us" is the born again Christian).

See, a Christian is "in Christ", and "one with God" and "seated in Heavenly Places.""
A Christian is "As Jesus is, so are the born again in THIS WORLD"..

So, if you have SIN, then you can't be "in Christ", and "one with God", and "seated in Heavenly Places"., and you are not "as Jesus is, so are the born again in this world"...if you have sin.

 

[Behold]

Scripture says : if we confess our sins God will forgive our sins.

Your verse is not talking to "the little children"......and when John is talking to CHRISTIANS, he refers to them as "little children".
So, 1Jn 1:9 is not talking to Christians, its talking to unbeleivers.

See, what you dont yet understand is that all of the Apostles were PREACHERS trying to lead people to Jesus, as well as lead Believers into more Truth.
So, sometimes you see a verse where John or Paul or Matthew or Peter is preaching to the lost.
And 1Jn 1:9 is John preaching to the lost., and Hebrews 10:26 is the same.

Now if you have a KJV, as you need one for this verse.........then read 1 Jn 3:9, as its talking to the "little children".. = US... and it says that we "can't sin".

I prefer Scripture.

You prefer your opinion backed up by some false theology you've been taught @ProDeo .

 

[Anchorite]

The hideously false theology of @Behold : look at his unbiblical replies to @complete

Behold brazenly negates what scripture clearly says.

QUOTE

If we say that we have no sin,
we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If you say you have sin, when Jesus has become your "one time eternal sacrifice for sin", then you are either lying, very theologically confused, or you are not yet actually forgiven.

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,

God forgives a sinner, not because they confess sin, but because they have trusted in Christ and are eteranlly forgiven.

END QUOTE

 

[Behold]

The hideously false theology of @Behold : look at his unbiblical replies to @complete

Behold brazenly negates what scripture clearly says.

Look again..

Your 1Jn1:9 verse is not talking to "the little children"......and when John is talking to CHRISTIANS, he refers to them as "little children".
So, 1Jn 1:9 is not talking to Christians, its talking to unbelievers.

See, what you dont yet understand is that all of the Apostles were PREACHERS trying to lead people to Jesus, as well as lead Believers into more Truth.
So, sometimes you see a verse where John or Paul or Matthew or Peter is preaching to the lost.
And 1Jn 1:9 is John preaching to the lost., and Hebrews 10:26 is the same.
You dont understand that a preacher will often use the personal pronoun "we", when they are dealing with the lost.

For example.... If i preach to a group of lost sinners, i'll say......... Now "we all need Christ".. 'we all need to trust in Christ"......, and in fact, i already have HIm, as i have ALREADY TRUSTED..... yet i included myself in the group of people who dont have HIm, because they have not yet trusted in Christ.

Do you comprehend?
See, its that word "we" that is tripping you and keeping you confused, so, i hope i have now helped you to see more clearly 1Jn 1:9 and Heb 10:26

Now if you have a KJV, as you need one for this verse.........then read 1 Jn 3:9, as its talking to the "little children".. = The born again... and it says that we "can't sin".

 

[ProDeo]

Your verse is not talking to "the little children"......and when John is talking to CHRISTIANS, he refers to them as "little children".
So, 1Jn 1:9 is not talking to Christians, its talking to unbeleivers.

Wow @Behold ..... that's a dangerous assumption.

1 John 2:19 says otherwise.

1Joh 2:18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour.
1Joh 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.

The letter is of course written for the education of Christians as the unbelievers went out.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

And of course you dont provide your definition of Grace.

So, Let me provide the standard definition for you, so that you can have one for next time

Grace is "God's unmerited favor".

Try that one and if you need a few more, i can supply them for you.

My first line had three sentences, not just the first one. In the third one I did to give you my meaning of grace. So I don't need your definition, which is wrong by the way. Let me put it more simply than I did the first time for you. Grace, itself, is not Unmerited Favor. That is merely how and why we get it, but not what grace is. Grace is Power. Here are those two sentences that you must not have read.

"Ask yourself, "what is the gospel" seeing it is grace. It is the power of God." Romans 1:16

Acts 20:24 "But none of these things move me; nor do I count my life dear to myself, so that I may finish my race with joy, and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God."

With the definition that God's grace is His power, no one could ever make a doctrine of demons out of it that grace is God overlooking sin, rather than the truth - the power of God to not sin.

There is actually a verse of a writing style that shows a key word with different words attached which mean the same. In Acts. 4:33 we read two sentences. The key word is "great." What is attached is a parallel, showing they mean the same thing in that verse.

"And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all.

I'll read the rest in the morning when I get up.

 

[Lambano]

Your 1Jn1:9 verse is not talking to "the little children"......and when John is talking to CHRISTIANS, he refers to them as "little children".
So, 1Jn 1:9 is not talking to Christians, its talking to unbelievers.

Not buying it.

John says, "If WE say WE have no sin,,,". John includes himself and his followers. If "we" means "unbelievers", John himself is an unbeliever, and all three of his letters should be ripped out of the Bible. And the Gospel of John too. And if Revelation was also authored by John (as is traditionally believed, though the writing style is completely different), then rip that one out too.

 

[Lizbeth]

Hi Lambano- I don't see all sin as willful.

There have been many times when a thought popped into my head that I didn't want.
To me just having the thought was sinful- but not deadly- it's a reminder though that I still sin.
Maybe my standard is too high for some but I can't imagine God having to reject a bad thought.
And there are those moments where I feel anger at someone because of something they said or did- I am convicted of it later to forgive it but why did I do it to begin with? I don't seem to be able to let it go as it is happening. I have to be reminded or remind myself then work on it and let it go.
One day a friend was pestering me to go somewhere with her, and I really didn't want to go. I told her NO, sorry-not interested- a few times but she was being relentless, and no matter how much I thought just to say yes to shut her up- I did not want to go. Finally, Out of nowhere - I blurted out "I have something else to do that day".
We hung up and and it hit me like a ton of bricks. I just lied to her! What? I don't lie anymore- how could I do that?
I felt awful about it for days.
But I still did not want to go. I never intended to lie to her. It just sort of appeared- the old man popped out? WHY? because she was making me upset- meet my flesh? Not an excuse but that's how I saw it. It didn't really lessen the guilt I felt- but maybe just a tad. I know I never intended it or thought about it- I just blurted that out.
I realize now that I need to always let the Spirit control me- every second. I'm just not always able to do that. Does anyone know how? idk
I confessed my sin but I still didn't go with her. Maybe I just should have gone..

Your thoughts are all welcome--
@marks @1stCenturyLady @Anchorite @Lizbeth

Those "pop-up" things I consider to be inadvertent/unintentional sins, not deliberate/wilful.....and that they do come from the flesh/old man. When someone is in the spirit that will not happen. I think you handled it right with the Lord in acknowledging it and repenting. Maybe let your friend know you lied as well, because she was being so persistent and you had plumb run out of things to say, and apologize to her as well. (She might apologize too, because really no-one has the right to back anyone up against a wall.)

Wilful sins to my understanding are sins that someone does deliberately, knowing it is wrong and it is within their power to not do it. Eg, Ananias and Saphira...Paul said it was within their power to do what they wanted with the sale of their property....they didn't have to lie about it.....that was deliberate and premeditated, not a momentary impulse.

Question I have is how can we be in the spirit at all times in order to have that old man under our feet consistently at all times? I believe scripture shows we can get to that place....nothing is impossible with God. That's what it means to be at rest in God...being in the promised land of rest......having died to our selves so that our old man is subdued, inert, at rest, not operating (as I think of it). Paul mentioned coming to the full stature of Christ......I think that means walking in His resurrection life, which means walking in the Spirit. The first step I believe is realizing our need and start to ask and seek it from the Lord.

 

[Lizbeth]

Yes, I already thought of that, and have written to her twice with no response.

When I was a little girl, between 5-7 my mother said to me, "why do you go over to your friends houses everyday? They don't like you. They never call you do they? Even though Proverbs 26:2 says a curse without cause shall not alight (stick), when things like this shunning happens, I know what my mother said to me has been a life-long curse. I just don't know what I did to deserve this.

I'll go hunt down your post and see if I can give you a better answer.

So sorry your mother was being so callous with you, that is sad. Sounds like you might have been trying to escape from things at home and maybe even trying to find what was lacking at home among your friends.

Is it possible your friend is just under the weather, or not feeling up to socializing? I assume she isn't young either. I know I don't always have the energy/drive for socializing and chatting any more. I need to keep visits and chats shorter than in the past.

 

[Lizbeth]

Its not written to Jewish believers in those verses.......as The Apostle would know that He does not have to get Beleivers to again trust in Christ.
See, You are so very badly instructed that you dont even recognize that the Apostle is giving them the GOSPEL. @PS95 .
He's trying to get them to BELIEVE in their Messiah, and they wont have it.
They are unbelievers.
Just read Acts 28:28 and discover unsaved Hebrews who are rejecting their Messiah, as you find with those in Heb 6 and 10.

Also, your verses say that these unsaved Hebrews have "tasted the gift".......it does not say they have believed it.
And they never did.......and that is "willfully sinning" away your only chance to be saved......because you are literally esteeming the very BLOOD that COULD SAVE YOU as ........."i dont want that".
And that is what is happening in your verses.

People always have to overthink and twist things to justify their OSAS belief, unfortunately.

 

[Behold]

People always have to overthink and twist things to justify their OSAS belief, unfortunately.

People like you always have to try to falsely define anyone who teaches the fact that God's Son's Blood and Death, that is our Eternal Salvation, and Eternal Justification before Holy God, and there is no other....... both saves you and keeps you saved.

So, @Lizbeth , why dont you tell us why you dont believe that Jesus who saved you, keeps you saved, and not you trying to keep yourself saved by your behavior and sin confessing and whatever else is on your self righteousness: "list of things i have to do and keep from doing so that i can try to keep myself saved".

Or, just tell us why you refuse to believe the Truth that Jesus who saved you, keeps you saved? and that is nothing that you do.

 

[David Lamb]

God's salvation says that "Jesus is the ONE TIME ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin"... and that means that Jesus has eternally dealt with your sin, if you are a born again Christian.

This is why 2 Corin 5:19 and Romans 4:8 (Paul teaching) says that God wont ever again charge sin to a BELIEVER.
Go read it.

And why will God never charge sin against a born again Christian?
Its Because God has already JUDGED Jesus on the Cross for all our Sin, and He died for them and rose again, and that relsoved the sin issue forever for all Christians, 2000 yrs ago.



If you have sin, then Jesus has not paid for them yet, so that means you're not a Christian yet.

Christians dont have sin, as if they have it, they are not a Chrisitan.
Christians dont have sin, and that is because "God hath made Jesus to be SIN for us"... ("us" is the born again Christian).

See, a Christian is "in Christ", and "one with God" and "seated in Heavenly Places.""
A Christian is "As Jesus is, so are the born again in THIS WORLD"..

So, if you have SIN, then you can't be "in Christ", and "one with God", and "seated in Heavenly Places"., and you are not "as Jesus is, so are the born again in this world"...if you have sin.

The glorious truth that born again Christians do not bear their sins, or the punishment due for them, does not mean that we should not confess our sins. It was to Christians that these words were written:

(Edited to add): I have just seen that your claim is that 1 John 1 was addressed to non-Christians. However, remembering that chapters and verses were not part of the original Scriptures, where do we find John giving any indication that in the second chapter of the letter, he is now, in your view writing to a different group of people? I ask this, because in 1 John 2, he does call his readers "chidren":

(1Jn 2:1) My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.




(1Jn 1:8 NKJV) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
(1Jn 1:9) If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

John didn't say that because Christ has done all that is necessary to deal with our sins, we don't need to confess them to God.

 

[ProDeo]

People like you always have to try to falsely define anyone who teaches the fact that God's Son's Blood and Death, that is our Eternal Salvation, and Eternal Justification before Holy God, and there is no other....... both saves you and keeps you saved.

So, @Lizbeth , why dont you tell us why you dont believe that Jesus who saved you, keeps you saved, and not you trying to keep yourself saved by your behavior and sin confessing and whatever else is on your self righteousness: "list of things i have to do and keep from doing so that i can try to keep myself saved".

Or, just tell us why you refuse to believe the Truth that Jesus who saved you, keeps you saved? and that is nothing that you do.

You should ask those thousands and thousands born again Christians who could not resist and cheated their spouse. Can they reason like you --> that was bad of me, but that sin was nailed to the cross 2000 years ago so I don't have to confess and repent because Jesus already forgave me?

What does your spiritual insight say ?

Over to you.

 

[Lizbeth]

People like you always have to try to falsely define anyone who teaches the fact that God's Son's Blood and Death, that is our Eternal Salvation, and Eternal Justification before Holy God, and there is no other....... both saves you and keeps you saved.

So, @Lizbeth , why dont you tell us why you dont believe that Jesus who saved you, keeps you saved, and not you trying to keep yourself saved by your behavior and sin confessing and whatever else is on your self righteousness: "list of things i have to do and keep from doing so that i can try to keep myself saved".

Or, just tell us why you refuse to believe the Truth that Jesus who saved you, keeps you saved? and that is nothing that you do.

We've tussled over this many times before, but there is no point in arguing with someone ad nauseum. We are warned and admonished throughout the entire bible. What do you think falling away even means, brother? Do you think apostates are going to inherit eternal life? And please don't try to say that they must not have ever been saved to begin with..........because could not have fallen away if they had nothing to fall away from to begin with. Come on now.

I just posted on another thread how even Paul did not presume/assume to say he had attained to the resurrection and even though he knew of nothing against him, that didn't necessarily mean he was justified because it is God who will judge the matter....Paul wasn't going to even judge himself that far. Let us just walk humbly before our God.