Should I buy a sword?
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Gray_Joy
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We will never change strong pacifists opinions.
Jesus was God of the Old Testament. And any reader knows that God was not passive.Nor were his Hebrew faithful.
Jesus told his Disciples to buy swords even if they had to sell their cloaks.Strong passivity doesn't command such things.
I appreciate someone knows themselves so well that they don't believe their life is worth saving from violent people who want to take it from them.
The Apostles Martyrdom does not show us they did not use the swords Jesus commanded them to own.
Their Martyrdom shows they died at the hands of evil intentions that God allowed to be victorious over them. God has a plan.
And we should never ever forget what tells us Jesus would not command passivity in the face of evil.
Heaven has an Army.
And we should remember Matthew 10:34-36 too.
And in the end times prophecy Jesus is not passive at all.
I just hope,pray,if I ever meet a person who means me harm that a pacifist isn't my only hope.
Sure,I'll see Heaven if it goes all the way left. But,I really hope God doesn't plan for me to die like that.
You have successfully distorted the pacifism of Jesus into glorification of violence.
Jesus said just two swords were enough. He did not say all disciples should carry swords. Two were enough, as He said, so He would be reckoned among the transgressors and be arrested.
When Peter used his sword as a weapon, did Jesus proclaim, “Strike him again! Attack with the two swords!”??
No, Jesus rebuked Peter and condemned weapons by saying all who draw the sword perish by the sword.
Martyrs died because they obeyed the pacifism of Jesus and refused to defend themselves with weapons.
Book of Acts does not record any believers using weapons.
You hope and pray that if someone tries to do you harm, a pacifist will not be your only hope?
So you do not trust God to protect you, and you do not carry a weapon for self-defense, but hope an armed stranger will rescue you? Got it.
You oppose the pacifist teachings of Jesus. Some of us seek to conform to the non-violence of Jesus:
Turn the other cheek.
Love your enemies.
Do good unto those who abuse you.
Pray for those who persecute you.
Resist not an evil man.
Blessed be the peacemakers.
Put away thy sword.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
We fight not against flesh and blood.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
My kingdom is not of this world, thus my servants do not fight.
Gray_Joy
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I recognize scripture means what God intends to say. As in reporting the wars he led in the Old Testament.
I do not apply corrective thought to what God tells us of himself.
He cannot be a hypocrite.
God's kingdom is not of this world? And yet,there was a war in the kingdom of Heaven.
God's kingdom is not of this world? Yet!
The Book of the Revelations from Jesus as recorded by the Apostle John tells us there will be wars. And Jesus will lead yet another army.
You are committed to rewording God's words.
That's dangerous.
You can just obey Jesus simple and clear words, instead of putting your trust in violence and weapons.
Turn the other cheek.
Love your enemies.
Do good unto those who abuse you.
Pray for those who persecute you.
Resist not an evil man.
Blessed be the peacemakers.
Put away thy sword.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
We fight not against flesh and blood.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
My kingdom is not of this world, thus my servants do not fight.j
Gray_Joy
Active Member
I know you keep repeating yourself and elect what parts of God's history to ignore. Because it nullifies your preferred narrative.
You can't discuss God's own words when you don't respect all of them.
When you think self defense advocates glorify violence, God says of you, "But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."
1Timothy 5:8
Luke 11:21 When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his goods are safe;
Psalm 144
Of David. Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle; he is my steadfast love and my fortress, my stronghold and my deliverer, my shield and he in whom I take refuge, who subdues peoples under me. O Lord, what is man that you regard him, or the son of man that you think of him? Man is like a breath; his days are like a passing shadow. Bow your heavens, O Lord, and come down! Touch the mountains so that they smoke!
Jesus is the same yesterday,today and forever.
“For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed."
"Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword; their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open." Hosea 13:16
1Samuel 15:3
"Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change."
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