Should I buy a sword?
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Gray_Joy
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We will never change strong pacifists opinions.
Jesus was God of the Old Testament. And any reader knows that God was not passive.Nor were his Hebrew faithful.
Jesus told his Disciples to buy swords even if they had to sell their cloaks.Strong passivity doesn't command such things.
I appreciate someone knows themselves so well that they don't believe their life is worth saving from violent people who want to take it from them.
The Apostles Martyrdom does not show us they did not use the swords Jesus commanded them to own.
Their Martyrdom shows they died at the hands of evil intentions that God allowed to be victorious over them. God has a plan.
And we should never ever forget what tells us Jesus would not command passivity in the face of evil.
Heaven has an Army.
And we should remember Matthew 10:34-36 too.
And in the end times prophecy Jesus is not passive at all.
I just hope,pray,if I ever meet a person who means me harm that a pacifist isn't my only hope.
Sure,I'll see Heaven if it goes all the way left. But,I really hope God doesn't plan for me to die like that.
You have successfully distorted the pacifism of Jesus into glorification of violence.
Jesus said just two swords were enough. He did not say all disciples should carry swords. Two were enough, as He said, so He would be reckoned among the transgressors and be arrested.
When Peter used his sword as a weapon, did Jesus proclaim, “Strike him again! Attack with the two swords!”??
No, Jesus rebuked Peter and condemned weapons by saying all who draw the sword perish by the sword.
Martyrs died because they obeyed the pacifism of Jesus and refused to defend themselves with weapons.
Book of Acts does not record any believers using weapons.
You hope and pray that if someone tries to do you harm, a pacifist will not be your only hope?
So you do not trust God to protect you, and you do not carry a weapon for self-defense, but hope an armed stranger will rescue you? Got it.
You oppose the pacifist teachings of Jesus. Some of us seek to conform to the non-violence of Jesus:
Turn the other cheek.
Love your enemies.
Do good unto those who abuse you.
Pray for those who persecute you.
Resist not an evil man.
Blessed be the peacemakers.
Put away thy sword.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
We fight not against flesh and blood.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
My kingdom is not of this world, thus my servants do not fight.
Gray_Joy
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I recognize scripture means what God intends to say. As in reporting the wars he led in the Old Testament.
I do not apply corrective thought to what God tells us of himself.
He cannot be a hypocrite.
God's kingdom is not of this world? And yet,there was a war in the kingdom of Heaven.
God's kingdom is not of this world? Yet!
The Book of the Revelations from Jesus as recorded by the Apostle John tells us there will be wars. And Jesus will lead yet another army.
You are committed to rewording God's words.
That's dangerous.
You can just obey Jesus simple and clear words, instead of putting your trust in violence and weapons.
Turn the other cheek.
Love your enemies.
Do good unto those who abuse you.
Pray for those who persecute you.
Resist not an evil man.
Blessed be the peacemakers.
Put away thy sword.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
We fight not against flesh and blood.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
My kingdom is not of this world, thus my servants do not fight.j
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