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Hi @Linda,

Thank you for your response.

I agree that God saved people before Christ came into the world and that obedience is an important part of living righteously. The point I would make is that even the righteous of the Old Testament were ultimately saved by God's grace through faith, looking forward to the redemption that would be accomplished through Christ. Abraham is a good example of this, as Scripture says that his faith was counted to him as righteousness.

I also agree that believers should remain humble and never become presumptuous. Genuine faith produces obedience, and obedience is evidence of a living faith. At the same time, I see obedience as the fruit of God's saving grace rather than something that makes us worthy of receiving it.

So I think we are in agreement that salvation is God's work, that believers are called to walk in obedience, and that humility before God should characterize the Christian life. :clmSmlx
 

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Hi @Linda,

Thank you for your response.

I agree that God saved people before Christ came into the world and that obedience is an important part of living righteously. The point I would make is that even the righteous of the Old Testament were ultimately saved by God's grace through faith, looking forward to the redemption that would be accomplished through Christ. Abraham is a good example of this, as Scripture says that his faith was counted to him as righteousness.

I also agree that believers should remain humble and never become presumptuous. Genuine faith produces obedience, and obedience is evidence of a living faith. At the same time, I see obedience as the fruit of God's saving grace rather than something that makes us worthy of receiving it.

So I think we are in agreement that salvation is God's work, that believers are called to walk in obedience, and that humility before God should characterize the Christian life. :clmSmlx
Hello,

Yes in large part this is all Gods grace, and
Our being the other part of the equation
Is why obedience comes from wanting
To obey all God requires, and that is where
We either, fail or receive His righteousness.

Amen
 

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Thank you for the discussion.

I agree that genuine faith produces a desire to obey God and that believers are called to walk in righteousness. The only distinction I would make is that I understand Scripture to teach that we receive God's righteousness through faith in Christ, and then obedience follows as the fruit of that new life.

So while obedience is important, I see it as evidence of God's saving work in us rather than the basis upon which we receive His righteousness.

Thank you again for sharing your thoughts. Blessings. :coff
 

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For Free.
Yes., it all free.

God's Son's Eternal Sacrifice for you cost you nothing, and you can do nothing about it.
So, stop trying to earn it or keep it by behavior and stop trying to do it as if you are the savior, and just relax and be thankful that God has given you Eternal Life, Eternal Righteousness, and has forgiven you all your sin, based on His Mercy alone that is Jesus On The Cross.

Jesus is Salvation.
Jesus is Eternal Life
Jesus is God's Righteousness

Reader,
be thankful always that God has created our eteranal redemption so that its His responsibility to complete..... Philippians 1:6.... on our behalf based totally and completely on Jesus's Blood and Death sacrifice for us.

Listen,
Eternal Salvation "thorugh Christ" is not something you do.... Its something Jesus finished on The Cross 2000 yrs ago, and God will give it to you for free..("The Gift of Salvaiton")... if you will just take His Son by Faith.

Have you?
Ok then, then let me show you how to exist in God's Grace ...

Reader, its an eternal fact that God has provided eternal redempting to us through The Lord Jesus The Christ, as "free" = as "The Gift of Salvation"....and "The Gift of Eternal Life"... and "The Gift of Righteousness...
God sent Jesus to The Cross to become all 3 of those for you, as a "GIFT".

So as of today, if you can hear what the Bible is teaching.....if you can get the revelation, then stop trying to do or complete your salvation and instead give Jesus The Lord ALL the Credit due Him for always being your : Eternal Salvation, : your Gift of Righteousness, : your Blood Atonement, : your new covenant, and : your Eternal Life.
Simply begin right now to trust in Jesus alone to save you and keep you saved., and you are putting on the Helmet of Salvation.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Reader... now here is the thing..., There is something within that wants to resist that word "Free" because it does not feel natural to us to think of God's Eternal Salvation as being a Free Gift given by Holy Righteousnes God to a sinner.

See that. ????? However "Jesus came into the world to save sinners"., and we all qualified.

So, the Grace of God is only about that....Its about making a Believing SINNER right with God forever...... Its not about how much we can try to earn God's love and forgiveness and peace by our performance.


Now, Do you see the issue?
See that "CARNAL mind", that just naturally wants to resist the Truth that God's Salvation is FREE< FREE< FREE...?????
Its Our Flesh that wants us to try to DO IT and Earn it and KEEP = what God only offers i as "The GIFT of Salvation" = that is Eternally FREE.
Its FREE to every believer...... but it cost Jesus everything.
So never say there was no cost involved, as Jesus had to be tortured and die hanging on a Cross to PAY for IT, so that its FREE FOR YOU ?AND I to "RECEIVE:.... as "the Gift of Salvation" and "The Gift of Eternal Life".. and "The Gift of Righteousness".

Now, LISTEN...... if you believe you can lose your salvation, or if you believe you have to perform and try to be good enough to keep it, then you are in that "carnal mind"< and i explained what is happening to you and what has happened to you.

How to get out?
How to be rescued??
How to get out of Romans 7 ????.... = "that which i want to do i can't, and that which i hate, is what i want to do,"
That is Paul, and Paul was given a revelation, and then later within the very same Romans 7 He said....... "WHO will deliver me from this body of death".
Then Paul tells you "Who" will do it for you ...and then HE begins the most vital teaching series that a Christian must learn or a cult will get your mind using a Forum member, a family member, a "christian commentary" or TV Minister, or Greek Lexicon, or a terrible "new bible version".
Most of Paul's Teaching, stays centered around = The Cross of Christ and God's Free Gift of Salvation.
Verses like "Grace through faith"... or "as many as will believe....God gives to them the POWER to become a Son/Daugher of God'.

Paul centers your Faith so that its only based on The Cross of Christ and Faith.
Thats it., and you dont DO THAT.........you BELIEVE IT.

Understand????

Listen, the Devil is totally invested for 2000 yr into finding out how to ruin your faith. And once its ruined, your discipleship collapses, your peace is gone, your prayers are hitting the ceiling in your bedroom, and all you want to do on a Forum is try to believe and teach that this failing is what Christianity is designed to produce.
= A endless fail.
"sin, confess, repeat".

Reader, Real Chrisitanity is not "sin, confess, and repeat".....its "Christ ALWAYS Gives me the Victory".. ......over sin, the flesh, the world, and the devil.
And this Victory 'In Christ" will never find you and deliver you, as long as you refuse to believe that Jesus will keep you saved, and not based on your behavior, but based on Him being THE SAVIOR who is the only One who was given The Cross to both save you and keep you saved.

So do you see that?
That is what the Devil does not want you to understand and he will keep you out of the Light of that Revelation using false theology and the deceivers who are trained by other heretics to endlessly teach it to you...And Satan's theology is always based on twisting Bible verses , and most especially twisting the Gospel into a : "Faith + Works"... "Faith + Self effort". "Faith + Trying to Stay Saved". "Faith + Now go earn it".
.........Satan sells you a broken faith and a false gospel by using people who speak christianese, and can post verses they can't explain while they try to sound "spiritual".
The Devil knows how to get HIS people to pretend to "bear fruit" in front of your screen or from behind a Pulpit or on a TV Screen...so that you get lost in the haze of their theological deception. And soon enough you are become their theology victim and then you are done........still saved.......but of no use to God.
= Just a believer with broken faith who can post verses and talk about sin, OSAS, Moses Law, commandment keeping, enduring to the end, and losing salvation.
You've been LED to become a Heb 6:1.....failed disciple........Paul says you are "bewitched" by someone, and that someone is explained in Heb 13:9. (KJV).

Now, let us U-Turn you away from this carnal minded direction that the Devil has you taking, if im talking to you...and the Holy Spirit will bear witness...
So, let us now totally and forever more get you out of doubt and the fear of loss of salvation, and endless time spent feeling condemned about the fact that you failed trying to save yourself again, instead of trusting that Christ keeps you saved.

Its so simple.

Simply understand and believe... that When God Saved you, you eternally became : a "New Creation in Christ" and this is not something you can do for yourself.
Simply Understand and believe that When God Looks at you right now and FOREVER, He sees you as : "seated in Heavenly places in Christ"... sitting right next to Him in the Spirit. = God eternally sees you always as "an Heir of God" and a "joint heir with Jesus".
God only sees you as a "new Creation in Christ"....
= God ONLY sees you as being Born again, having now received His eternal forgiveness, eternal life, and eternal righteousness.
So, simply understand that you can't do for yourself any of this, as its all already accomplided for you as "the Gift of Salvation" by Jesus's finished work on The Cross, 2000 yrs ago.
See that Gift of Salvation>. ?? = Its Jesus....>He's your Eternal Salvation.. He saved you and will keep you saved for eternity,
Now BELIEVE IT.
Now BELIEVE IT...... and receive it, and allow this real faith to become your Salvation foundation, and God will begin to show you what He could not all this time, because your lack of faith that Jesus keeps you saved was blocking His revelation from enlightening you and keeping you enlightened.
 
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Linda

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For Free.
Yes., it all free.

God's Son's Eternal Sacrifice for you cost you nothing, and you can do nothing about it.
So, stop trying to earn it or keep it by behavior and stop trying to do it as if you are the savior, and just relax and be thankful that God has given you Eternal Life, Eternal Righteousness, and has forgiven you all your sin, based on His Mercy alone that is Jesus On The Cross.

Jesus is Salvation.
Jesus is Eternal Life
Jesus is God's Righteousness

Reader,
be thankful always that God has created our eteranal redemption so that its His responsibility to complete..... Philippians 1:6.... on our behalf based totally and completely on Jesus's Blood and Death sacrifice for us.

Listen,
Eternal Salvation "thorugh Christ" is not something you do.... Its something Jesus finished on The Cross 2000 yrs ago, and God will give it to you for free..("The Gift of Salvaiton")... if you will just take His Son by Faith.

Have you?
Ok then, then let me show you how to exist in God's Grace ...

Reader, its an eternal fact that God has provided eternal redempting to us through The Lord Jesus The Christ, as "free" = as "The Gift of Salvation"....and "The Gift of Eternal Life"... and "The Gift of Righteousness...
God sent Jesus to The Cross to become all 3 of those for you, as a "GIFT".

So as of today, if you can hear what the Bible is teaching.....if you can get the revelation, then stop trying to do or complete your salvation and instead give Jesus The Lord ALL the Credit due Him for always being your : Eternal Salvation, : your Gift of Righteousness, : your Blood Atonement, : your new covenant, and : your Eternal Life.
Simply begin right now to trust in Jesus alone to save you and keep you saved., and you are putting on the Helmet of Salvation.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Reader... now here is the thing..., There is something within that wants to resist that word "Free" because it does not feel natural to us to think of God's Eternal Salvation as being a Free Gift given by Holy Righteousnes God to a sinner.

See that. ????? However "Jesus came into the world to save sinners"., and we all qualified.

So, the Grace of God is only about that....Its about making a Believing SINNER right with God forever...... Its not about how much we can try to earn God's love and forgiveness and peace by our performance.


Now, Do you see the issue?
See that "CARNAL mind", that just naturally wants to resist the Truth that God's Salvation is FREE< FREE< FREE...?????
Its Our Flesh that wants us to try to DO IT and Earn it and KEEP = what God only offers i as "The GIFT of Salvation" = that is Eternally FREE.
Its FREE to every believer...... but it cost Jesus everything.
So never say there was no cost involved, as Jesus had to be tortured and die hanging on a Cross to PAY for IT, so that its FREE FOR YOU ?AND I to "RECEIVE:.... as "the Gift of Salvation" and "The Gift of Eternal Life".. and "The Gift of Righteousness".

Now, LISTEN...... if you believe you can lose your salvation, or if you believe you have to perform and try to be good enough to keep it, then you are in that "carnal mind"< and i explained what is happening to you and what has happened to you.

How to get out?
How to be rescued??
How to get out of Romans 7 ????.... = "that which i want to do i can't, and that which i hate, is what i want to do,"
That is Paul, and Paul was given a revelation, and then later within the very same Romans 7 He said....... "WHO will deliver me from this body of death".
Then Paul tells you "Who" will do it for you ...and then HE begins the most vital teaching series that a Christian must learn or a cult will get your mind using a Forum member, a family member, a "christian commentary" or TV Minister, or Greek Lexicon, or a terrible "new bible version".
Most of Paul's Teaching, stays centered around = The Cross of Christ and God's Free Gift of Salvation.
Verses like "Grace through faith"... or "as many as will believe....God gives to them the POWER to become a Son/Daugher of God'.

Paul centers your Faith so that its only based on The Cross of Christ and Faith.
Thats it., and you dont DO THAT.........you BELIEVE IT.

Understand????

Listen, the Devil is totally invested for 2000 yr into finding out how to ruin your faith. And once its ruined, your discipleship collapses, your peace is gone, your prayers are hitting the ceiling in your bedroom, and all you want to do on a Forum is try to believe and teach that this failing is what Christianity is designed to produce.
= A endless fail.
"sin, confess, repeat".

Reader, Real Chrisitanity is not "sin, confess, and repeat".....its "Christ ALWAYS Gives me the Victory".. ......over sin, the flesh, the world, and the devil.
And this Victory 'In Christ" will never find you and deliver you, as long as you refuse to believe that Jesus will keep you saved, and not based on your behavior, but based on Him being THE SAVIOR who is the only One who was given The Cross to both save you and keep you saved.

So do you see that?
That is what the Devil does not want you to understand and he will keep you out of the Light of that Revelation using false theology and the deceivers who are trained by other heretics to endlessly teach it to you...And Satan's theology is always based on twisting Bible verses , and most especially twisting the Gospel into a : "Faith + Works"... "Faith + Self effort". "Faith + Trying to Stay Saved". "Faith + Now go earn it".
.........Satan sells you a broken faith and a false gospel by using people who speak christianese, and can post verses they can't explain while they try to sound "spiritual".
The Devil knows how to get HIS people to pretend to "bear fruit" in front of your screen or from behind a Pulpit or on a TV Screen...so that you get lost in the haze of their theological deception. And soon enough you are become their theology victim and then you are done........still saved.......but of no use to God.
= Just a believer with broken faith who can post verses and talk about sin, OSAS, Moses Law, commandment keeping, enduring to the end, and losing salvation.
You've been LED to become a Heb 6:1.....failed disciple........Paul says you are "bewitched" by someone, and that someone is explained in Heb 13:9. (KJV).

Now, let us U-Turn you away from this carnal minded direction that the Devil has you taking, if im talking to you...and the Holy Spirit will bear witness...
So, let us now totally and forever more get you out of doubt and the fear of loss of salvation, and endless time spent feeling condemned about the fact that you failed trying to save yourself again, instead of trusting that Christ keeps you saved.

Its so simple.

Simply understand and believe... that When God Saved you, you eternally became : a "New Creation in Christ" and this is not something you can do for yourself.
Simply Understand and believe that When God Looks at you right now and FOREVER, He sees you as : "seated in Heavenly places in Christ"... sitting right next to Him in the Spirit. = God eternally sees you always as "an Heir of God" and a "joint heir with Jesus".
God only sees you as a "new Creation in Christ"....
= God ONLY sees you as being Born again, having now received His eternal forgiveness, eternal life, and eternal righteousness.
So, simply understand that you can't do for yourself any of this, as its all already accomplided for you as "the Gift of Salvation" by Jesus's finished work on The Cross, 2000 yrs ago.
See that Gift of Salvation>. ?? = Its Jesus....>He's your Eternal Salvation.. He saved you and will keep you saved for eternity,
Now BELIEVE IT.
Now BELIEVE IT...... and receive it, and allow this real faith to become your Salvation foundation, and God will begin to show you what He could not all this time, because your lack of faith that Jesus keeps you saved was blocking His revelation from enlightening you and keeping you enlightened.
Behold said: Its Our Flesh that wants us to try to DO IT and Earn it and KEEP IT.....,

Its Our Lord who tells us to “work out” our
Salvation, NOT WORK for it, with Fear and
Trembling, for our humility to revere Gods
Gift.

Also:

Romans 2:4 → don’t assume God’s kindness means no accountability

We’re in war with our members, we are
To be vigilant as if our life depends upon it
Because it does, ( in Eternity)

God gives grace to the Humble
He despises the Proud
James 4-6

Proverbs 3:34

Until we stand before Him to give
An account of our lives, we do not know
The outcome, thats why Hes the Judge
Of our Soul, we arent.

To count ourselves worthy before we Hear
It from God, we do not know.


Romans 14:12



“So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”



This is the clearest statement of personal accountability before God.



Another very direct version



2 Corinthians 5:10



“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body…
 

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@Behold and @Linda,
I agree salvation is by grace through Christ alone and not earned by works (Eph 2:8–9).

But the New Testament doesn’t separate grace from continuing faith and abiding in Christ.
It repeatedly warns believers: “if we hold fast” (Heb 3:14), “if you continue in the faith” (Col 1:23), and about branches that do not remain in Christ (John 15:6).

Those warnings are addressed to the covenant community, not just outsiders.
So it’s not accurate to dismiss concerns about endurance or obedience as “carnal thinking.”

Saving faith in Scripture is living and persevering, not a one-time conclusion detached from continuation in Christ. :coff
 
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