Christ has already returned ?

[rockytopva]

And what do we have here? A Book called Revelation written in 90 AD? After the generation Jesus was referring to passed away?

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. - Revelation 22

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. - Luke 21

Luke 21:32 was referring to the end of the first covenant and not the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. In which has not happened yet.

 

[markalan]

Thus it is not the flesh body Paul was talking about with "this mortal" in 1 Cor.15:53-54. He was pointing to the mortal still liable to perish soul that is cast into the future "lake of fire". The future resurrection body is not one of flesh, but a change to the "spiritual body" Paul taught, and actually it's really just a casting off of the flesh body and the spirit body we already have is suddenly revealed in that other dimension, the heavenly (like Eccl.12:5-7 shows).

I agree with almost all of your post but we seem to see "immortality" differently.

What do you understand the word "quickened" to mean?
Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

My understanding is that our soul/spirt become immortal when we are born again by faith in Jesus Christ.

As for the resurrected body, we can consider Jesus' resurrected body:
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Even though "flesh and bones" Jesus' resurrected body was not subject to the constraints of present physical laws.

Paul wrote "Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. (Philippians 3:21)

So, I would say that our soul/spirit are contained within our resurrected body.

 

[MatthewG]

Let me respond to your points in a clearer way.

What’s actually “new” in Revelation isn’t a new physical planet or a new political era. It’s the new heaven and new earth where righteousness dwells — the life of the Spirit in those who seek relationship with the Lord. That’s the covenant reality Christ brought.

As for the thousand years, Scripture often uses numbers symbolically. A thousand represents a complete, full measure of time, not a literal 1,000‑year countdown. Many people assume it must be literal, but the text itself doesn’t require that.

Revelation is a deeply Jewish book. Its imagery, its covenant language, and its warnings are rooted in Israel’s story. It describes the coming of the Lord in judgment and the destruction of Jerusalem — the end of the old covenant age.

Because of that, I believe the great white throne judgment, the judgment of Satan, the beast, and the false prophet all occurred in the culmination of that age. Those were covenant‑ending judgments, not future geopolitical events.

And what are we left with after all of that? Revelation 21 and 22. Everything before those chapters deals with what was passing away. Revelation 21 and 22 reveal what is truly new — the completed work, the new creation reality in Christ.

That’s the framework I’m coming from.

I like how revelation 21, and 22, leave it so clear that their is a heavenly kingdom, and their is also an outside of the kingdom too where the gates never close. And this is all after hell and everything is gotten rid of. Lake of Fire still exist cause that fire is coming from God, and in the midst of that fire is said to be the Lamb and his messengers.

Prodeo here is another interesting tidbit,

If John wrote Revelation in the 90s AD, after Jerusalem was destroyed, it’s strange that he never warns believers not to repeat the mistakes of their brothers. The destruction of the Temple was the most traumatic event in Jewish‑Christian history, yet John never mentions it, never references it, and never uses it as an example. That silence makes no sense if he wrote after the fact.

But if John wrote shortly before the destruction, the silence makes perfect sense. The danger was still future, the Temple was still standing, and the warnings were still urgent. Revelation 11 even has John measuring the Temple as though it still exists. That fits a pre‑70 date far better than a 90s date.

1. If John wrote in AD 90–96, why didn’t he warn Christians about the Temple’s destruction?​

So here is my list of beliefs in summary, considering I believe that Revelation was completed and already happened:

You believe that the new heaven and new earth described in Scripture are not a future physical planet but the spiritual reality God established through Christ, a reality we live in today. When the old covenant “elements” passed away (2 Peter 3:10; Galatians 4:3, Colossians 2:20), God brought forth a new creation order where His people live under the reign of Christ, not through earthly kingdoms but through the Spirit.

Because of this, you believe that God’s kingdom is present now, not political or geographical, but spiritual — the reign of Christ in the hearts of those who believe. As Jesus said, “the kingdom of God is within you” (Luke 17:21), and believers have already been “translated into the kingdom of His dear Son” (Colossians 1:13).

In this new creation, the focus is on building up the spiritual person. You see the Christian life as walking in the Spirit, putting off the old self, and living in the newness of life that comes from Christ (Romans 6:4; Galatians 5:16). This is how believers participate in the new heaven and earth — by living as renewed people in God’s renewed world.

You also believe that even though Jesus has already fulfilled His promises and established His kingdom, we are not left alone. The Spirit of Christ still helps, teaches, convicts, and strengthens us today (Romans 8:9–14). Through the Spirit, people can still turn to God, be transformed, and walk in the light rather than the darkness.

At the center of your view is the conviction that God’s promises are active now:

• We are part of His kingdom today.
• We walk in the new creation today.
• We grow spiritually by the Spirit today.
• And people can still meet Christ, be changed, and live by the Spirit today.

Your hope is that others will see that the new heaven and earth is not something far away, but something God has already brought forth — a spiritual reality meant to shape how we live, love, and walk with Him right now.

 

[Davy]

I agree with almost all of your post but we seem to see "immortality" differently.

What do you understand the word "quickened" to mean?
Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

My understanding is that our soul/spirt become immortal when we are born again by faith in Jesus Christ.

Do you believe man's Once Saved, Always Saved doctrine? The Hyper-Grace crowd teaches against God's Word when it speaks of a believer on Christ that later falls away. If their soul was 'quickened', i.e., made immortal when they first believed on Jesus, then how is it that God's Word speaks of those who fall away from Christ? And Apostle Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2 about the "strong delusion" issued the Church a major warning about that falling away to "that Wicked" one he mentioned there, the "man of sin", which will be a coming false-Messiah playing our Lord Jesus Christ in Jerusalem for the end of this world.

We have to be very careful when reading Apostle Paul's expressions, because he taught Christ's Salvation often in 'past tense' mode, when the main event of the falling away by the coming false-Messiah still had not happened yet in his day.

 

[MatthewG]

Just something to think on;

​

“Quickened” does not mean “made immortal.” It means made alive spiritually — brought out of spiritual death into the life of Christ.

Immortality is something believers receive at the resurrection, not at conversion.

“This mortal must put on immortality.” — 1 Corinthians 15:53

If we already had immortality the moment we believed, Paul wouldn’t say we must put it on later.

I see all people as having a God‑given soul — something God Himself formed and breathed into humanity.

“The LORD God… breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” — Genesis 2:7

Because God gave the soul, He also preserves it for judgment or resurrection.

Jesus said:

“All that are in the graves shall hear His voice, and shall come forth…” — John 5:28–29

So every soul God created will be raised — not because they were immortal at birth or conversion, but because God sustains the soul and will raise all people at the resurrection.

Immortality is a gift, not a natural human trait:

“Who only hath immortality.” — 1 Timothy 6:16

(God alone possesses immortality by nature.)

Believers receive immortality at the resurrection, not before:

“When this mortal shall have put on immortality…” — 1 Corinthians 15:54

So being “quickened” means made alive with Christ, not made incapable of dying or falling away.

 

[Douggg]

So being “quickened” means made alive with Christ, not made incapable of dying or falling away.

"quicken" means to "revive", "restore".

The word "quicken" is found in 13 places in the kjv bible.

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search.php?q=quicken

 

[PeterAndroz]

Do you believe man's Once Saved, Always Saved doctrine? The Hyper-Grace crowd teaches against God's Word when it speaks of a believer on Christ that later falls away. If their soul was 'quickened', i.e., made immortal when they first believed on Jesus, then how is it that God's Word speaks of those who fall away from Christ? And Apostle Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2 about the "strong delusion" issued the Church a major warning about that falling away to "that Wicked" one he mentioned there, the "man of sin", which will be a coming false-Messiah playing our Lord Jesus Christ in Jerusalem for the end of this world.

We have to be very careful when reading Apostle Paul's expressions, because he taught Christ's Salvation often in 'past tense' mode, when the main event of the falling away by the coming false-Messiah still had not happened yet in his day.

OSAS :-
Since belief is the condition to be Eph 1:13, 4:30 SEALED then I believe belief must be ongoing.
Since ACTIONS are not the condition then please list the verses where Paul teaches a Eph 1:13, 4:30 SEALED UNTO REDEMPTION believer can become UNsealed

 

[claninja]

Strong's Concordance has it thoroughly expanded for edification without bias.
G1074
γενεά
genea
ghen-eh-ah'
From (a presumed derivative of) G1085; a generation; by implication an age (the period or the persons): - age, generation, nation, time.
Total KJV occurrences: 42

Strong’s Concordance is an exhaustive index to the words of the King James Version (KJV). Strong’s definitions are not comprehensive meanings but “glosses” - brief one or two word meanings primarily intended to help the user locate where the KJV translates said word into English.

Looking at strongs below, it provides glosses for genea - generation, time, age, nation, time. Then it tells you where in the KJV where you can find those glosses.


Strong’s Definitions
γενεά geneá, ghen-eh-ah'; from (a presumed derivative of) G1085; a generation; by implication, an age (the period or the persons):—age, generation, nation, time.

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KJV Translation Count — Total: 42x
The KJV translates Strong's G1074 in the following manner: generation (37x), time (2x), age (2x), nation (1x).


Strongs concordance indexes genea in the KJV as nation, but not in Matthew 24:34. Instead, Strongs concordance indexes genea as generation in Matthew 24:34.

To cherrypick the gloss of “nation” from strongs concordance, while ignoring how the concordance indexes “nation”, and then applying the cherrypicked gloss to genea in Matthew 24:34, is an improper use of a concordance.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Strong’s Concordance is an exhaustive index to the words of the King James Version (KJV). Strong’s definitions are not comprehensive meanings but “glosses” - brief one or two word meanings primarily intended to help the user locate where the KJV translates said word into English.

Looking at strongs below, it provides glosses for genea - generation, time, age, nation, time. Then it tells you where in the KJV where you can find those glosses.


Strong’s Definitions
γενεά geneá, ghen-eh-ah'; from (a presumed derivative of) G1085; a generation; by implication, an age (the period or the persons):—age, generation, nation, time.

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KJV Translation Count — Total: 42x
The KJV translates Strong's G1074 in the following manner: generation (37x), time (2x), age (2x), nation (1x).


Strongs concordance indexes genea in the KJV as nation, but not in Matthew 24:34. Instead, Strongs concordance indexes genea as generation in Matthew 24:34.

To cherrypick the gloss of “nation” from strongs concordance, while ignoring how the concordance indexes “nation”, and then applying the cherrypicked gloss to genea in Matthew 24:34, is an improper use of a concordance.

I suggest you do more research on the subject of confirmation bias, as your comments err strongly towards it. As the name states, Strong's Concordance is a strong and reliable resource provided by God Himself through His gifting of its author.

 

[markalan]

Do you believe man's Once Saved, Always Saved doctrine? The Hyper-Grace crowd teaches against God's Word when it speaks of a believer on Christ that later falls away. If their soul was 'quickened', i.e., made immortal when they first believed on Jesus, then how is it that God's Word speaks of those who fall away from Christ? And Apostle Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2 about the "strong delusion" issued the Church a major warning about that falling away to "that Wicked" one he mentioned there, the "man of sin", which will be a coming false-Messiah playing our Lord Jesus Christ in Jerusalem for the end of this world.

We have to be very careful when reading Apostle Paul's expressions, because he taught Christ's Salvation often in 'past tense' mode, when the main event of the falling away by the coming false-Messiah still had not happened yet in his day.

I believe the 'saved' and the 'sealed' are two different groups. We see it in many Scriptures but the letter to the Laodiceans (Rev 3) makes it quite clear ... the 'lukewarm' are a different group to the 'overcomers'.

 

[PeterAndroz]

I believe the 'saved' and the 'sealed' are two different groups. We see it in many Scriptures but the letter to the Laodiceans (Rev 3) makes it quite clear ... the 'lukewarm' are a different group to the 'overcomers'.

Do you believe the 'sealed' in Revelation are the 'sealed' in Eph 4:30 ?

 

[markalan]

Do you believe the 'sealed' in Revelation are the 'sealed' in Eph 4:30 ?

If you mean Rev 7:4, my answer is no ... they are Jews

And I heard the number of them which were sealed:
and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand
of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

 

[PeterAndroz]

If you mean Rev 7:4, my answer is no ... they are Jews

And I heard the number of them which were sealed:
and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand
of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Yes, Rev 7:4 is Rev
Do you believe the Eph 4:30 SEALED BELIEVERS will be anywhere in Rev ?

 

[markalan]

Yes, Rev 7:4 is Rev
Do you believe the Eph 4:30 SEALED BELIEVERS will be anywhere in Rev ?

I agree with those who see the rapture of those who are sealed (during the gentile church ages) foreshadowed by John being caught up to heaven in Rev 4:1

 

[PeterAndroz]

I agree with those who see the rapture of those who are sealed (during the gentile church ages) foreshadowed by John being caught up to heaven in Rev 4:1

I like to try & understand why believers believe what they do hence the 3rd degree interogation.
In the flesh, do you believe there will be Eph4:30 sealed believers in Rev ?

 

[markalan]

I like to try & understand why believers believe what they do hence the 3rd degree interogation.
In the flesh, do you believe there will be Eph4:30 sealed believers in Rev ?

My understanding is that the elect believers (the "overcomers" who are sealed by the Holy Spirit during the church ages - Rev 2 & 3) are taken in the rapture (Rev 4:1) ... they return to the earth to live in the Millennium (Rev 19 & 20).

Those who are sealed by the Holy Spirit in the time between the Rapture and the Millennium are Jews converted under the ministry of the two witnesses (Rev 11).

 

[claninja]

I suggest you do more research on the subject of confirmation bias, as your comments err strongly towards it. As the name states, Strong's Concordance is a strong and reliable resource provided by God Himself through His gifting of its author.

I suggest you do research on how a concordance is actually used.

Strong’s concordance indexes genea as generation in Matthew 24:34 . See link from strongs concordance online from blue letter Bible : (Genesis 1:1 (KJV))

Do you agree with Strong’s decision to index genea as generation in Matthew 24:34?

 

[Davy]

OSAS :-
Since belief is the condition to be Eph 1:13, 4:30 SEALED then I believe belief must be ongoing.
Since ACTIONS are not the condition then please list the verses where Paul teaches a Eph 1:13, 4:30 SEALED UNTO REDEMPTION believer can become UNsealed

You are talking about a whole... lot of New Testament Scripture from those like Apostle Paul and Peter, not just Lord Jesus.

Firstly, Christ gave several warnings against being deceived in His Olivet discourse, and He was speaking to His Church.

The whole 2 Thessalonians 2 Chapter by Apostle Paul is a warning to not fall away to the "strong delusion" which is about being deceived by that coming "man of sin".

Paul in 2 Corinthians 11 admonished us to remain as "a chaste virgin" waiting on Christ, our true Husband, and not fall away to the "another Jesus" that some instead preach.

In 2 Timothy 3, Apostle Paul warns that in the last days the deceived will have a form of godliness but denying the power thereof, ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the Truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, these also resist the Truth, MEN OF CORRUPT MINDS, REPROBATE CONCERNING THE FAITH.

Jesus in Matthew 7 with those who will say, "Lord, Lord..." on the day of His future return and He will turn them away because of their working "iniquity", even though they preached Christ in their streets, cast out devils in Christ's Name, and did many wonderful works in Christ's Name.

The "unprofitable servant" of Matthew 25 that buried the symbolic money his master gave him to work with, is cast to the "outer darkness" with the hypocrite.

The "five foolish virgins" of Matthew 25 that had only the Oil (Holy Spirit) that was in their lamps Jesus rejects at His coming.

1 Tim 4:1-2
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
KJV

1 Tim 4:16
16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
KJV

The "natural brute beasts" that Peter warned of that turn brethren away from Christ...

2 Peter 2:18-22
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
KJV


Acts 20:27-31
27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which He hath purchased with His own blood.
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
KJV



Those are just a 'few'... Bible Scripture examples of a believer falling away from the Faith. Welcome to The Actual Word of God.

 

[PeterAndroz]

You are talking about a whole... lot of New Testament Scripture from those like Apostle Paul and Peter, not just Lord Jesus.

Firstly, Christ gave several warnings against being deceived in His Olivet discourse, and He was speaking to His Church.

The whole 2 Thessalonians 2 Chapter by Apostle Paul is a warning to not fall away to the "strong delusion" which is about being deceived by that coming "man of sin".

Paul in 2 Corinthians 11 admonished us to remain as "a chaste virgin" waiting on Christ, our true Husband, and not fall away to the "another Jesus" that some instead preach.

In 2 Timothy 3, Apostle Paul warns that in the last days the deceived will have a form of godliness but denying the power thereof, ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the Truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, these also resist the Truth, MEN OF CORRUPT MINDS, REPROBATE CONCERNING THE FAITH.

Jesus in Matthew 7 with those who will say, "Lord, Lord..." on the day of His future return and He will turn them away because of their working "iniquity", even though they preached Christ in their streets, cast out devils in Christ's Name, and did many wonderful works in Christ's Name.

The "unprofitable servant" of Matthew 25 that buried the symbolic money his master gave him to work with, is cast to the "outer darkness" with the hypocrite.

The "five foolish virgins" of Matthew 25 that had only the Oil (Holy Spirit) that was in their lamps Jesus rejects at His coming.

1 Tim 4:1-2
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
KJV

1 Tim 4:16
16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
KJV

The "natural brute beasts" that Peter warned of that turn brethren away from Christ...

2 Peter 2:18-22
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
KJV


Acts 20:27-31
27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which He hath purchased with His own blood.
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
KJV



Those are just a 'few'... Bible Scripture examples of a believer falling away from the Faith. Welcome to The Actual Word of God.

""""You are talking about a whole... lot of New Testament Scripture from those like Apostle Paul and Peter, not just Lord Jesus.
I'm talking about what Scripture teaches for today as listed here.
..
Who did Christ select as the Apostle & Minister to the Gentiles ?
Acts 9:15
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, ...
Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles...
Rom 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God...
+++
The other Apostles agreed & knew who taught who
Gal 2:2
And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,....
Gal 2:7
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
++++
What is the role of an Apostle/Minister ?
To teach THEIR audience.
BUT NOW there are NO SEPARATE audiences ALL are equal :-
Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
1 Cor 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Col 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
++++
How are believers 'today' saved, sealed, justified, made righteous ?
By the SAVING Gospel that applies today.
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
++++
The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
++++
Your 'deeds'/works/behavior/performance only decide your eternal rewards/loss
Rom 14:10
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
1 Cor 3:10-15
10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
2 Cor 5:10
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

 

[Davy]

I believe the 'saved' and the 'sealed' are two different groups. We see it in many Scriptures but the letter to the Laodiceans (Rev 3) makes it quite clear ... the 'lukewarm' are a different group to the 'overcomers'.

Not what I see from Bible Scripture at all.

The 'saved' represent those 'chosen' who's names were written in the book of life from the foundation of the world; these are Christ's "very elect" He pointed to at the end of the Matthew 24:24 verse that cannot be deceived. Those 'called' only are considered saved as long as they remain steadfast in the Faith waiting on Christ's coming.

Those 'sealed' is about God's Seal by The Holy Spirit against deception, especially at the end of this world. It is especially about Christ's "very elect" that cannot be deceived, but also those who can... be deceived yet remain steadfast in the Faith waiting on Jesus Christ's coming.

Both groups are deemed as Christ's elect, and are to be as one in Him and in The Father (John 17).

The difference is that the 'called' only can... still fall away IF they allow themselves to be deceived. These are the ones Lord Jesus and His Apostles warned to remain in the Faith, and not fall away, especially against the coming "man of sin" who will play Christ in Jerusalem at the end of this world.