Christ has already returned ?

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ProDeo

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I think it’s cool we get along.

Yes, I had to get used to your writing style, but that is all okay now :Broadly:

The greatest challenge on a Bible forum is to fulfill the commandment Jesus gave us in John 13:34 -

A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.

@ProDeo would you like to share what you think now and maybe when you first like maybe came to church and introduced to Christianity, idk if you believe Jesus came back or not, really cause I haven’t ask you. Would love to hear if you might have anything you would like to share with not only me but anyone who may read your post, just add me so I can read it okay?

As a very young Christian I grew up with the teachings of Hal Lindsey and his book "The late great planet Earth" regarding end time theories. I bought the book by accident, I wanted something to read for the weekend and I was in a hurry and saw the book volatile, thought it was science fiction and bought it. To my surprise it was about the Bible and I became fascinated, also learned a lot about about Christ. Decades later I became frustrated with the book because what the author implied did not happen.

Studying end time theories later I came to the conclusion none of the known theories was without buts, not one was conclusive and I simply gave up.

Then the internet came with Bible fora and there end game theories are a hot topics and so I started a next round reading again. And I came across the same Scripture passages as you while trying to make sense of it. It took some time to mature and external historical knowledge certainly helped to believe Jesus only returned in the skies to rescue His people from the great tribulation as a viable theory.

Nevertheless I still believe Jesus will return bodily on Earth (not only in the skies) to end all the nonsense as pointed out in Zach chapter 14 as the Lord God has some unfinished business with Israel (Romans 11:25-36), it's no accident Israel after 1900 years is on the map again and Israel will repent (Zach 12:10), grafted in the olive tree.
 

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The day of the Lord did not occur in AD 70. Jesus has not yet come unexpectedly as a thief in the night to bring sudden destruction on all of those who are in spiritual darkness. It will involve the dissolving of the heavens and the elements as well as the burning up of the earth and the things on the earth, resulting in the new heavens and new earth where only righteousness will dwell.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

What Peter wrote is future, certainly something to look forward to.

But the topic is the past.
 

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Yes, I had to get used to your writing style, but that is all okay now :Broadly:

The greatest challenge on a Bible forum is to fulfill the commandment Jesus gave us in John 13:34 -

A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.



As a very young Christian I grew up with the teachings of Hal Lindsey and his book "The late great planet Earth" regarding end time theories. I bought the book by accident, I wanted something to read for the weekend and I was in a hurry and saw the book volatile, thought it was science fiction and bought it. To my surprise it was about the Bible and I became fascinated, also learned a lot about about Christ. Decades later I became frustrated with the book because what the author implied did not happen.

Studying end time theories later I came to the conclusion none of the known theories was without buts, not one was conclusive and I simply gave up.

Then the internet came with Bible fora and there end game theories are a hot topics and so I started a next round reading again. And I came across the same Scripture passages as you while trying to make sense of it. It took some time to mature and external historical knowledge certainly helped to believe Jesus only returned in the skies to rescue His people from the great tribulation as a viable theory.

Nevertheless I still believe Jesus will return bodily on Earth (not only in the skies) to end all the nonsense as pointed out in Zach chapter 14 as the Lord God has some unfinished business with Israel (Romans 11:25-36), it's no accident Israel after 1900 years is on the map again and Israel will repent (Zach 12:10), grafted in the olive tree.

What’s zach 14 about? Thank you for sharing that with me. It’s understandable the dissatisfaction of the author ; how did that not also deter you from continuing on looking to God in spite of human failure?
 

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This is the point: "This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven."

the simplest and most natural reading of the olivet discourse presents the the son of man coming on the clouds within Jesus’ first century audience.

“This generation will not pass away until all these things occur”
 

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I just want you to know I have you hidden and ignored but what you say is a lie about me personally, as you can see below. Thank you for your contribution to this thread that is not even mine.

I appericate everyone person that is against me on this forum site.

But make sure you know what I am capable of telling people in real life as well as the internet with no shame. They disagree but that is about it.

Your claims are false
 

Davy

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I am not a preterist, or even a partial preterist, but I would say 1 Thes 4:17 is a spiritual event ... I believe in a literal rapture, but aspects of being "caught up" are spiritual ... the idea of millions of bodies suddenly floating up into the air is a movie fantasy.

Sorry to say it, but that means you don't really understand New Testament Scripture about the science of our created makeup, nor how it applies to Paul's change at the twinkling of an eye he mentioned in 1 Cor.15.