Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

[PinSeeker]

Jesus had said this to the apostles before His ascension:

Acts 1:5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

The apostles already believed in Christ at this point, yet they were not yet baptized with the Holy Spirit yet. So, that shows that they believed before being baptized by the Spirit rather than it being the case that they believed because they were baptized by the Spirit.

Jesus was referring to what would happen on the day of Pentecost not long from then.

Here's what happened on the day of Pentecost...

Acts 2:1 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all [a]with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language......16 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. 16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams.

This is clearly related to the fulfillment of what Jesus had previously told the apostles would happen to them "not many days from now". And it happened to many others on that day as well, of course.

Then, a little after many had already received the Holy Spirit, Peter indicated that repentance, which goes hand in hand with faith, occurs before the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which occurs upon the receiving of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

So, repentance and faith precede the baptism of the Holy Spirit rather than people believing "because they get baptized by the Spirit".

We disagree, of course… what a surprise, right? <smile>

What you say is fair enough, but what I would say, particularly about Acts 1:5 is, Pentecost was a unique, once-for-all event in salvation history that inaugurated the New Covenant church. The baptism Jesus is talking about in Acts 1:5 is not the individual salvific baptism by the Holy Spirit that we receive when we are born again, the baptism John the Baptist is talking about in Matthew 3:11… “I baptize you with water for repentance, but He Who is coming after me is mightier than I, Whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.”

Again, and stated slightly differently, what we see in Acts 1:5 is Christ promising the extraordinary outpouring of the Spirit that would empower the apostles and establish the church. And yes, this is what happened at Pentecost. It’s actually a complete reversal of what happened at the Tower of Babel… instead of confusion, everyone heard the Gospel in his own tongue.

As for Acts 2:38, the outward act of baptism is a sign of God’s promise… a sacrament given to us by God to remind us all of God’s granting of salvation and His grace in doing so; it is not conferring of salvation on the baptized (no man can possibly do that), but a calling on God’s promise of salvation through Christ Jesus. In this way it is a 1:1 correlation to the Old Testament sign, circumcision, having replaced the Old Testament sign, as can be seen in Colossians 2:11-12… “In Him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised with Him through faith in the powerful working of God, Who raised him from the dead.” And as such it is not to be withheld from anyone, regardless of any reason, even age, so even babies... <smile> …”the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off.”

That last bolded part is reeeeeerrally important… <smile> …”the powerful working of God.” Which fits perfectly with what Paul says, too, in Ephesians 2:4-10, particularly “But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ ~ by grace you have been saved… ~ by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”

These passages rule out even our belief as the reason for our salvation, because even our belief is “something we do” and therefore by definition a work.

To your final statement that “repentance and faith precede the baptism of the Holy Spirit,” this is kind of a… discombobulated… statement…. I would say, rather, that this baptism by the Spirit and being born again of the Spirit are… well, I’ll say either a) one and the same event… two ways of saying the same thing, or b) simultaneous events… but in either case God’s having mercy and compassion on the person and the conferring of salvation upon us… in God’s own words, through Ezekiel (36:25-27), “I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes and be careful to obey My rules.”

And as I have pointed out many times, Jesus is very clear in John 6, 8, and 10 especially that, we believe because we have received this grace of salvation, because we have been born again of the Spirit and are thus of God and no longer of our former father the devil and only desiring to do his will… that, as He says in John 10 particularly, we believe because we are His sheep, having been given to Him by His Father, and therefore we hear His voice and we know and follow Him… not the other way around. Salvation is from and of the Lord.

Grace and peace to all.

 

[Marilyn C]

By casting down the fact that the church is the bride of Christ, you will never understand the purpose of the rapture or end times.

The bible ends with the bride, and heaven, calling out to the groom.
You have no idea what you are talking about.

And how is it that the New Jerusalem can come down out of heaven from God? Because Christ is on His own throne in the highest with His Body ruling and reigning. (Rev. 3: 21 4: 1 - 4) Restoration of rulership comes first and then follows the righting of other realms.

 

[Marilyn C]

IOW you are offended by God's word.

No I rejoice for I know where my inheritance is - with Christ on His own throne in the highest, not coming down out of heaven from God.

 

[Marilyn C]

This is horizontal thinking.
Not a basis for understanding spiritual truths.
Of all the concepts in the bible to cast down, you have to pick the heartbeat of heaven.

You need to seriously investigate the bride of Christ.
Your position is flat out bizarre.

Have you looked at the Old Testament scriptures concerning the `wife` and God the `husband?` Do you realize that Jesus confirmed the promises to Israel of God `marrying` them again after their divorce? Have you read where the Old Testament Saints are promised the city? (Heb. 11: 16)

Speaking of `bizarre,` I think bizarre is men thinking they are a `bride,` when God says there is NO male or female in the Body of Christ. Do you go and tell young men especially, "Come to Jesus and be His bride?" I bet you don`t. Why not, if you so passionately believe you are a female bride!!!!!

 

[Marilyn C]

What about them? They show that only believers are part of the bride of Christ. The New Testament shows that Gentile believers are made one with Jewish believers and are fellow citizens and fellow heirs with Jewish believers, so all of God's promises to Israel apply only to believers, whether Jew or Gentile. That's what you are not understanding.


It's a symbolic reference to the church. It's not a literal city.


It's not only that. We are promised to inherit the new heavens and new earth where only righteousness will dwell.

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.


All believers from all-time are in the body of Christ. Your repeated attempts to divide God's people are unacceptable. All believers from all-time are one in Jesus Christ. There is no other name by which anyone ever has or will be saved (Acts 4:12). Old Testament believers are part of the Body of Christ every bit as much as we are.

1 Corinthians 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.

All the promises? So are you going to live in Israel? Do you tell young men to come to Jesus and be His bride? If you so passionately believe that, why don`t you?

If it is the church, where are the scriptures in Rev. 21 & 22 with reference to the Body of Christ?

Yes, good promise, however which part are we in? I`m certainly not looking to `come DOWN out of heaven FROM God.

If all believers are in the Body then -
1. Why didn`t God make that to start with?
2. Why did God work with rebellious Israel for centuries, knowing they were rebellious?
3. Why are we given the divine nature of Christ after He ascended but all the others do not have that?
4. If we are down from heaven in the city, then Jesus` seat of power is below where Lucifer`s was, below the angels?

The Lord was certainly with the children of Israel in the desert otherwise they wouldn`t have made it to the promised land. That gives a clue as to God`s purpose for them.

 

[PeterAndroz]

You can't back up this false claim, so why make it? Do you think that the entire book of Revelation has only literal text?

Rev 14:4 are not LITERAL male virgins who have not been LITERALLY defiled by women ?
SYMBOLISE away :)

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins.

 

[David in NJ]

Please post a verse where Jesus cut his toenails.
Oh wow...that means he never did.

Post one where he brushed his teeth.
Oh wow...He never brushed His teeth.

Post one where He wore a white robe in his earthly ministry.
Oh wow...He did not wear a white robe.

That is how ridiculous your "gotcha" game is.

But actually I can think of 9 pretrib rapture verses off the top of my head.
That stacks up nicely against your 1? Verse????.

*Mat 24
*Mat 25
*Acts1
*Rev 14:14
*Rev 3 escape verse
*Last supper dialogue
*Luke escape verse
*Rev 19
*1 thes 4

4 of those JESUS DIRECTLY TAUGHT.

None of that have any of you even attempted to unpack.
But if you ever get ahold of a real postrib rapture verse, let me know.
So far it is zero against 9+.

No contest.

Pretribbers are A duped deluded liars?

You have never shown anyone where we are wrong.
You can not.
All you are doing is posting hyperparanoia about false leaders, religions, etc.

All the while decieved by your doctrine of no verses.
No verses!
Just voicing how much you are offended by Jesus words.

Be careful who you are accusing

"Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field that the LORD God had made.
And he said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden?’”

"pre-trib" rapture is Serpent speak: "Did Jesus really say He comes after the Tribulation"

Whose side are you on???

The Serpent who questions the clear words of God
or
The LORD Jesus Christ who Says:
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn,
and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Good Morning

Based on your statement, the LORD and the Holy Spirit of Truth used symbolism to deceive you???

When the LORD spoke a parable, HE often used symbolism to convey the LITERAL.

And when a great multitude had gathered, and they had come to Him from every city, He spoke by a parable: “A sower went out to sow his seed. And as he sowed, some fell by the wayside; and it was trampled down, and the birds of the air devoured it. Some fell on rock; and as soon as it sprang up, it withered away because it lacked moisture. And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up with it and choked it. But others fell on good ground, sprang up, and yielded a crop a hundredfold.” When He had said these things He cried, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”

i FULLY recognize & understand the difference between LITERAL and Symbolic in the Holy Scriptures

Hear is another one from the OT


Daniel spoke, saying, “I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven were stirring up the Great Sea. 3And four great beasts came up from the sea, each different from the other. 4The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings. I watched till its wings were plucked off; and it was lifted up from the earth and made to stand on two feet like a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.

5“And suddenly another beast, a second, like a bear. It was raised up on one side, and had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth. And they said thus to it: ‘Arise, devour much flesh!’

6“After this I looked, and there was another, like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird. The beast also had four heads, and dominion was given to it.

7“After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. 8I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.


SHALOM in the Symbolism of TRUTH that is only revealed by the SPIRIT of TRUTH

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins.
Not literal male virgins who have not been literally defiled by women ?

 

[amigo de christo]

lol - didn't need the hint, but thank you

the religion of Unity = "we shall be as one, with one voice for we all believe the same god"

sadly they do worship the same god , just not the one THE NON COMPROMISING SHEEP
of JESUS CHRIST do . WE WORSHIP GOD
they worship only what they beleive to be God but is not OF GOD
and has called him a liar and has set to their seal that the dark one is true
THESE are hard times to watch david .
For years upon years i always knew i was not going to be able to stop this .
I only knew by grace someone had to do something to warn this people ,
so this sheep stepped up and began warning years back .
Sadly it has fallen on many a deaf ear as their blind eyes say WE SEE and therefore their sin
remains upon them . The sin of unbelief has become the savoir and god of many
BUT NOT the SHEEP david . No sir not the sheep .
For them its LET GOD BE TRUE but every man a liar . They worship the one TRUE GOD
of CHRIST JESUS their LORD and they will not bend the knee to a harlots love .
TO the trenches david . The inclusive god of false unity and its co workers of darkness
take not a day or hour off . SO long as their be breath in me , I shall not take off either but shall
expose this entire house of darkness for what it is . POINTING ONL Y TO JESUS
and to all HE did teach . GOD is our GOD , HIS CHRIST is our CHRIST , HIS SPIRIT is our GUIDE
and that BIBLE is our book . NOW to the trenches .

 

[amigo de christo]

And how is it that the New Jerusalem can come down out of heaven from God? Because Christ is on His own throne in the highest with His Body ruling and reigning. (Rev. 3: 21 4: 1 - 4) Restoration of rulership comes first and then follows the righting of other realms.

sure hope ya dont think its TRUMP riding the white horse to restore peace and righteousness upon earth .
IF so you decieved . but not to worry it aint the liberal left
AND IT DARN SURE AINT that satanic ecumiencal interfaith of anti christ . that all of the devil .
And please do not weep nor wait for any kind of repentance on my part about what i just typed .
Friggin nar realm got many duped like we gonna b ring DOWN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ON EARTH .
no , both they and the RCC and all tied into this ecuimeincal anti christ intefaith inclusive god of unity ,
THEY GONNA BRING somethig down upon earth all right . THE RIGHTEOUS WRATH OF GOD upon all of them
that joined hands with it . MAY I SUGGEST we point ONLY TO JESUS
not the RCC , not to a jew , not to the earthern , not to politics , not to anything or anyone even
remotely that supports this inclusive god of unity and its anti christ intefaith peace plan .
May that greatly encourage you . Have a good night . MAY THE LORD be praised .
THis sheep aint selling out . They can in prison me and kill me , BUT THEY CANNOT PRY THE TRUTH OF GOD
from me . Hope others join with me .

 

[Marvelloustime]

sadly they do worship the same god , just not the one THE NON COMPROMISING SHEEP
of JESUS CHRIST do . WE WORSHIP GOD
they worship only what they beleive to be God but is not OF GOD
and has called him a liar and has set to their seal that the dark one is true
THESE are hard times to watch david .
For years upon years i always knew i was not going to be able to stop this .
I only knew by grace someone had to do something to warn this people ,
so this sheep stepped up and began warning years back .
Sadly it has fallen on many a deaf ear as their blind eyes say WE SEE and therefore their sin
remains upon them . The sin of unbelief has become the savoir and god of many
BUT NOT the SHEEP david . No sir not the sheep .
For them its LET GOD BE TRUE but every man a liar . They worship the one TRUE GOD
of CHRIST JESUS their LORD and they will not bend the knee to a harlots love .
TO the trenches david . The inclusive god of false unity and its co workers of darkness
take not a day or hour off . SO long as their be breath in me , I shall not take off either but shall
expose this entire house of darkness for what it is . POINTING ONL Y TO JESUS
and to all HE did teach . GOD is our GOD , HIS CHRIST is our CHRIST , HIS SPIRIT is our GUIDE
and that BIBLE is our book . NOW to the trenches .

@amigo de christo

 

[David in NJ]

And how is it that the New Jerusalem can come down out of heaven from God?

How is it that you do not know?

 

[amigo de christo]

How is it that you do not know?

yea rather how come so many seem to believe that JESUS came to seperate the jew and the gentile
and create the idea of two plans of salvation
and two brides or two bodies .
WHY do so many follow dissumalation .
Always trying to do what they think is a honor to the jew
and yet i sure hope none buys into that .
How come when paul wrote
He said where there is no longer jew or gentile but ye are ONE IN CHRIST .
How come when paul and others spoke of the JERUSALEM of GOD , it was HEAVENLY one they spoke about .
Here is why .
And other sheep i have which are not of this fold and them must i bring also
and they shall be ONE fold with ONE SHEPARD . That is why david .
The believing jews and believing gentiles are ONE IN CHIRST . same BODY , SAME KINGDOM which is heavenly ,
Wherein john saw no temple for GOD AND THE LAMB are the TEMPLE
Same zion , heavenly one of GOD . WHEREIN GOD is seated and the KING at his right hand .
ONE BRIDE , ONE WIFE .
and it is not jew only or gentile only . ITS EVERY JEW and GENTILE WHO BLEIEVED ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
in fact any jew or gentile that fails to HONOR THE SON
NO ENTRANCE INTO . and much wailing at their end . yes , IS JESUS TIME in the building , the only hope
and only name whereby a jew or a gentile can be saved .

 

[rebuilder 454]

No I rejoice for I know where my inheritance is - with Christ on His own throne in the highest, not coming down out of heaven from God.

You cast down a major component.
It amazes me.

 

[rebuilder 454]

yea rather how come so many seem to believe that JESUS came to seperate the jew and the gentile
and create the idea of two plans of salvation
and two brides or two bodies .
WHY do so many follow dissumalation .
Always trying to do what they think is a honor to the jew
and yet i sure hope none buys into that .
How come when paul wrote
He said where there is no longer jew or gentile but ye are ONE IN CHRIST .
How come when paul and others spoke of the JERUSALEM of GOD , it was HEAVENLY one they spoke about .
Here is why .
And other sheep i have which are not of this fold and them must i bring also
and they shall be ONE fold with ONE SHEPARD . That is why david .
The believing jews and believing gentiles are ONE IN CHIRST . same BODY , SAME KINGDOM which is heavenly ,
Wherein john saw no temple for GOD AND THE LAMB are the TEMPLE
Same zion , heavenly one of GOD . WHEREIN GOD is seated and the KING at his right hand .
ONE BRIDE , ONE WIFE .
and it is not jew only or gentile only . ITS EVERY JEW and GENTILE WHO BLEIEVED ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
in fact any jew or gentile that fails to HONOR THE SON
NO ENTRANCE INTO . and much wailing at their end . yes , IS JESUS TIME in the building , the only hope
and only name whereby a jew or a gentile can be saved .

One dimensional.

IOW, how can a "woman" be one new "man" in Christ?
Because it is one new person. That is how.
How can God have 2 special people ? ( The Jew and the Gentile bride)
How can a mother have 2 special children.
Because they are both her blood.
How can be Jesus be a lamb and a lion in the same sentence?
Because HE IS BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.

RUTH illustrates the 2 covenant people together. Together after the marriage.
The offspring is given to Naomi.
Why?
To restore her lineage.
Romans AUTHENTICATES God's 2 covenant people, and both restored SEPARATELY.

THE bible is in no way one dimensional.

The bible says he knew us before the womb
The bible says Jesuscwas slain before tge foundation of the world.

Nobody fully understands these things.
But to cast bible truth down due to my inability to mentally process its components is not honestly studying it.
God has the Jewish wife. 100% factual and biblical. Vividly illustrated.
JESUS has the Gentile bride. 100% factual and biblical.

Now how can those facts be reconciled?
Because God is not in anybody box.
He is multifaceted.
He is NOT ONE DIMENSIONAL.

BTW....There is not a single Jew saved in any way, shape, form, outside the blood of Jesus.
No person is ever saved, or ever will be outside the blood of Jesus.
Every single Jew and Greek is saved through Jesus.
Romans 9-11 unpacked that dynamic.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Have you looked at the Old Testament scriptures concerning the `wife` and God the `husband?` Do you realize that Jesus confirmed the promises to Israel of God `marrying` them again after their divorce? Have you read where the Old Testament Saints are promised the city? (Heb. 11: 16)

Speaking of `bizarre,` I think bizarre is men thinking they are a `bride,` when God says there is NO male or female in the Body of Christ. Do you go and tell young men especially, "Come to Jesus and be His bride?" I bet you don`t. Why not, if you so passionately believe you are a female bride!!!!!

You still don't know it is a fact ?
You are perverting what Paul and Jesus declared.
I never said the bride is female.
You are not connecting the dots.

 

[David in NJ]

One dimensional.

IOW, how can a "woman" be one new "man" in Christ?
Because it is one new person. That is how.
How can God have 2 special people ? ( The Jew and the Gentile bride)
How can a mother have 2 special children.
Because they are both her blood.
How can be Jesus be a lamb and a lion in the same sentence?
Because HE IS BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.

RUTH illustrates the 2 covenant people together. Together after the marriage.
The offspring is given to Naomi.
Why?
To restore her lineage.
Romans AUTHENTICATES God's 2 covenant people, and both restored SEPARATELY.

THE bible is in no way one dimensional.

The bible says he knew us before the womb
The bible says Jesuscwas slain before tge foundation of the world.

Nobody fully understands these things.
But to cast bible truth down due to my inability to mentally process its components is not honestly studying it.
God has the Jewish wife. 100% factual and biblical. Vividly illustrated.
JESUS has the Gentile bride. 100% factual and biblical.

Now how can those facts be reconciled?
Because God is not in anybody box.
He is multifaceted.
He is NOT ONE DIMENSIONAL.

BTW....There is not a single Jew saved in any way, shape, form, outside the blood of Jesus.
No person is ever saved, or ever will be outside the blood of Jesus.
Every single Jew and Greek is saved through Jesus.
Romans 9-11 unpacked that dynamic.

Confusion leads to man-made estimations

At least you have the MOST IMPORTANT Truth =

There is not a single Jew saved in any way, shape, form, outside the blood of Jesus.
No person is ever saved, or ever will be outside the blood of Jesus.
Every single Jew and Greek is saved through Jesus.

 

[Marilyn C]

How is it that you do not know?

That was rhetorical and I answered it - Because Christ is on His own throne in the highest with His Body ruling and reigning. (Rev. 3: 21 4: 1 - 4) Restoration of rulership comes first and then follows the righting of other realms.

You need to read more carefully.

 

[Marilyn C]

You still don't know it is a fact ?
You are perverting what Paul and Jesus declared.
I never said the bride is female.
You are not connecting the dots.

Israel in God`s word is called - as a wife, the Body of Christ is the New Man, and the city is AS a bride. The city is not a bride but has something similar - righteousness. The Old Testament Saints were made righteous, (Heb. 11: 4 etc) and were promised the city. (Heb. 11: 16)

 

[David in NJ]

That was rhetorical and I answered it - Because Christ is on His own throne in the highest with His Body ruling and reigning. (Rev. 3: 21 4: 1 - 4) Restoration of rulership comes first and then follows the righting of other realms.

You need to read more carefully.

Christ is Ruling now and always was Ruling

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God

Then He called His twelve disciples together and gave them power and authority over all demons, and to cure diseases.

Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”

25But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

And having come near, Jesus spoke to them, saying, “All authority in heaven and on the earth was given to Me.

John,
To the seven churches in the province of Asia:
Grace and peace to you from Him who is and was and is to come, and from the seven spirits before His throne, and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

So i ask you again = How is it that you do not know??? = You need to read more carefully = ALL of Scripture