Christian Nationalism

[Anchorite]

If a person is addicted to violent video games, and enjoys gore films, they may want to think that Jesus advocated killing your enemies.

But Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world, so His servants do not fight physically.

He rebuked Peter and told him to put away his sword.

They that live by the sword, perish by the sword.

We wrestle not against flesh and blood.

The weapons of our warfare are not carnal.

Resist not evil with evil.

This pacifist mandate of Jesus could not be more clear.

 

[amigo de christo]

Let me just add this......I believe those things in the Old Testament do serve as warnings of the judgment to come, yes. But this isn't the day of judgment yet is it? For now we are in the time of God's longsuffering that we are to account as salvation....the age of grace or the church age. We are ambassadors of reconciliation in this age....showing God's MERCY, not meting out His justice.

However there has been A JUDG MENT sent .
AND ITS a unifying judgment . IT WILL unite the false religoins with everyone of the decieved within christendom .
THE FALSE religoins b ecause they rejected JESUS
and the decieved christain because he loved another jesus and thus DENIED JESUS .
A great delusion of all out reprobation has been sent .
ITS a unifyer . BUT NOT TO GOD but to The day wherein all who merged as one under it
WILL FACE THE SUDDEN DESTRUcTION and wrath OF THE GOD and HIS CH RIST who their peace plan DENIED .
ITS coming sister .
YOU SPOT ON RIGHT , GOD HAS BEEN AND IS VERY LONG SUFFERING ,
i should know i was one of the worst and he drew me . But many will not come .
MANY desire to hear about another god and another jesus . THAT WILL BE THEIR DESTRUCTION .

 

[Lizbeth]

If a person is addicted to violent video games, and enjoys gore films, they may want to think that Jesus advocated killing your enemies.

But Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world, so His servants do not fight physically.

He rebuked Peter and told him to put away his sword.

They that live by the sword, perish by the sword.

We wrestle not against flesh and blood.

The weapons of our warfare are not carnal.

Resist not evil with evil.

This pacifist mandate of Jesus could not be more clear.

Amen, it's SO clear. Boggles the mind how some can't see it. There is a way that seemeth right to man, but it leads to death, sadly.

 

[Bombastic]

There is no peace between the world and the people of God......but that is not talking about war of the earthly kind.

The Israelites under the old covenant waged war against their pagan enemies..........because the gospel had not yet been revealed. Now we have spiritual weapons, which are more perfect weapons, a more perfect and better and more glorious way than the old way. The old way serves as an allegory/types/shadows for the spiritual war we are in.

Paul was very clear that if we are serving as soldiers in the army of God (spiritual) we are not to be entangled with civil affairs of this world if we want to please our commanding officer.

Or, not all wars can be fought the same way. The least that can be said is the kingdom of G-d is where the will of G-d is perfectly done and that the kingdom is large enough to wage wars on multiple fronts.
The gates of Hades are sometimes not metaphorical. And while a lot of detached-from-reality or abstract believers are in denial about it, if "unchecked or unbalanced," the enemy would be parading victory down the street using pages of the Bible as confetti. The point being, it's June, and we here in America know what that means. Those depraved persons have already attacked the Bible and misrepresented the Noahide covenant; they don't look like metaphors in an abstract realm to me. The reality is like the tip of the iceberg in concrete terminology.
And no, that's a misinterpretation of Paul's teaching and rejects the ordinary means (evident by G-d and the Angel of the L-rd) by which G-d wills things into concrete reality. How many are looking up, waiting for an actual throne, a man w/ white hair and beard, and stallions and actual vials opened? Reality check: That's what happens when the wrong hermeneutics are applied to specific genres like the symbolism of Revelation. In Paul's case, he wasn't put to death by a metaphor, though that man of lawlessness was descriptively accurate. Paul was put to death by a homosexual who castrated a young boy so he wouldn't have to return the sexual favors. After that man and his number, 666 or 616, died, his love child was a hot commodity throughout the Roman Senate. Wake up, culturally absorbed American churches.
Are we in the Byzantine, Hellenistic, Roman, or Ottomon era? What of the Messianic age?
The kingdom is neither here nor there; I am Amillennial. This wickedness upon earth, in my belief, will continue in repetitive patterns of worldly behavior, repeating until the L-rd is satisfied. Until that final theatrical epicenter, "if ever," so to speak. Obviously, on earth as it is in heaven isn't concrete, at least yet, because, well, this is the month of June, and apparently those left to their reprobate minds exist.

 

[amigo de christo]

So,a war God turns passive in his issuance of a new covenant?

You may have noticed the world is more violent and depraved than ever now.

Sealed by the blood he shed on the cross.

And at the end of days,Armageddon,the terrible day of the Lord, all that what is foretold to arrive on Earth in Revelation, is what?
If God is no longer violent.

GOD is GONNA WIPE THEM ALL OUT .
but my near and dear friend , VENGEANCE IS HIS , not ours .
SO stop twisting things to support men and their wars and their false anti christ peace plan
of ecmiencal intefaith .
Suprised . OH you didnt know did you .
THIS SO called big ol pipe song of false love , of co exist , of interreligoius dialouge ,
of finding common ground , ITS ALL BEEN A HOAX .
SOON ALL SIDES will unite AS ONE under the incl usive god
and its l aw of anti christ will be enforced by the AI DIGITAL SYSTEM prepared for THE BEAST .
YEAH , I KEEP Trying to warn you all . YA better flee anything and anyone
connected to this ecumennical intefaith .
SO ya best flee ANY HOPE in ANY politician TO INCLUDE TRUMP N VANCE
SO ya best f lee the en tire nar realm and dont go running to the RCC
IN factg they DO THE ECUMENICAL WILL OF IT .
Cant run to the right , NOPE the lie is there , cant run to the left , NOPE THE LIE is there
cant run to TRUMP N VANCE , nope the lie is there
cant run to the nar realm , NOPE the lie is there , cant run to the RCC , noPE the lie is there .
THEY ALL CO PREACHERS and TEACHERS and HELPERS NOW to the LIE of intefaith interreligious dialgou of anti christ .
SO i sure hope many get OUT before its TOO L ATE .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen, it's SO clear. Boggles the mind how some can't see it. There is a way that seemeth right to man, but it leads to death, sadly.

YEP . and the UNIFYER of THE CHRIST DENYIER
has found this common way .
IT calls it LOVE , but its love is of the world , it cliams it b e of GOD but it be only of the darkness .
AND ALL FALSE RELIGIONS , PEOPLES and many within christendom who were lip only
ARE BUYING IT and GONNA BUY IT .
AND BELIEVE ITS LOVE IS THE ONLY WAY TO GOD
and yet its l ove CLIAMS all religoins serve the same GOD
and yet its love even calls certain sins good and the very words of TRUTH In scripture that exposes sin as EVIL .
SOMEONE BEEN LYING TO THE ENTIRE WORLD SISTER .
And i dont think i need to tell you who that someone is and has been . But a hint is
HE was first mentioned in GENESIS and in the garden and said HAS GOD REALLY SAID .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen, it's SO clear. Boggles the mind how some can't see it. There is a way that seemeth right to man, but it leads to death, sadly.

There is a way which seems right to man but leads only to the second death .
THEN THERE IS THE ONLY WAY . HIS NAME BE JESUS
and for to be saved YE MUST BELIEVE ON HIM .
AND JESUS , NOR THE FATHER , NOR THE SPIRIT are in the business
of DENYING CHRIST and saying HEY ALL YOU RELIGOINS you all serve the same GOD as the christain do .
NO , JOHN KNEW THE ONE TRUE CHRIST and THUS THE ONE TRUE GOD .
LETS sumup what JESUS said and later john said in his letter .
JESUS . HE who RECIEVES HIS testimony has set to his seal that GOD IS TRUE .
John . HE who believes NOT the testimony that GOD gave of the SON , calls GOD A LIAR .
SO that just exposed the entire ecumenical interfaith LIE FOR WHAT IT IS and that IS A LIE , A LIE and A LIE
which by its peace will merge them all as one , to what they BELIEVE will usher upon them all
WORLD peace n safety ,
ONLY ON THE DAY OF THE LORD , as they be a chanting this peace n safety , NOPE , SUDDEN DESTRUcTION .
WHY did the serpent tempt eve and lie to her .
NOW he made it seem like it was for her g ood .
BUT HERE IS WHY he did it , HE DESIRED THEIR DEATH . AND HE STILL DESIRES THEIR DEATH .
SO HE gonna remove the DIRE NEED TO HAVE TO BELEIVE ON JESUS and replace it with a lie
that sounds so loving and so good for humanity , BUT NOPE its for their destruction .

 

[Bombastic]

So,a war God turns passive in his issuance of a new covenant?

You may have noticed the world is more violent and depraved than ever now.

Sealed by the blood he shed on the cross.

And at the end of days,Armageddon,the terrible day of the Lord, all that what is foretold to arrive on Earth in Revelation, is what?
If God is no longer violent.

Yes, G-d sometimes uses the rod rather than the staff. In certain times, Israel was not only oppressed but also conquered and subjected to foreign powers, like during the time of the Roman Empire. Great time passed, the Prophets prayed to G-d and after decades G-d "remembered"; in other words, His promise was brought to the forefront of mind. And then, like past patterns of behavior, there again, after confession and repentance, the people became complacent; that is, this generation, children, and those far off turn away from G-d, and once again the pattern of consequential sin repeats itself.
Like in the time of Martin Luther, the church was under a dark veil. The church couldn't see the light, and somebody like Luther illuminated the scripture. The bastardized American culture has done a number on churches today.

 

[Ziggy]

Not sure what you are trying to point out with that. That very passage says we are not to judge/govern those outside the church, only those inside.

Who does God use to judge those outside the church?

Mat 22:17
Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
Mat 22:18
But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
Mat 22:19
Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
Mat 22:20
And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
Mat 22:21
They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

 

[Lizbeth]

Or, not all wars can be fought the same way. The least that can be said is the kingdom of G-d is where the will of G-d is perfectly done and that the kingdom is large enough to wage wars on multiple fronts.
The gates of Hades are sometimes not metaphorical. And while a lot of detached-from-reality or abstract believers are in denial about it, if "unchecked or unbalanced," the enemy would be parading victory down the street using pages of the Bible as confetti. The point being, it's this June, and we here in America know what that means. Those depraved persons have already attacked the Bible and misrepresented the Noahide covenant; they don't look like metaphors in an abstract realm to me. The reality is like the tip of the iceberg in concrete terminology.
And no, that's a misinterpretation of Paul's teaching and rejects the ordinary means by which G-d wills things into concrete reality. How many are looking up, waiting for an actual throne, a man w/ white hair and beard, and stallions and actual vials opened? Reality check: That's what happens when the wrong hermeneutics are applied to specific genres like the symbolism of Revelation. In Paul's case, he wasn't put to death by a metaphor, though that man of lawlessness was descriptively accurate. Paul was put to death by a homosexual who castrated a young boy so he wouldn't have to return the sexual favors. After that man and his number, 666 or 616, died, his love child was a hot commodity throughout the Roman Senate. Wake up, culturally absorbed American churches.

Depraved persons are lost souls, who have fallen prey to the enemy of their souls, many of whom have suffered abuses and emotional lacks in childhood. They are not all behaving like Nero did as a perpetrator. I'm not their judge, and since it is still the gospel age and mandate of the church, I will choose to offer compassion and mercy. Would you suggest we sit in judgment of that young boy who Nero cruelly abused and corrupted? Doesn't mean I "accept" their sin or any sin, but it means I will not regard them or treat them like lepers. We were all lost souls and sinning at one time, and God is the judge of every soul, not me or you. I'm sure He can be safely trusted to judge righteously, He sure doesn't need us to do it for Him.

Agree that the American church needs to wake up and get back to focusing on evangelizing, casting out demons and healing lost souls. instead of politicking,....we should follow the Godly example of the early church when they were living in openly pagan societies and under the boot of a pagan Empire.

 

[Bombastic]

Who does God use to judge those outside the church?

Ideally or in this depraved reality? Reality check: I saw a news flash the other day in a Middle Eastern country a French tourist and her children were visiting. The woman, a mother, was pulled out of her car and gang raped in front of her children. Another news flash: a family was in their home, and a man walked into their house, beat the daughters severely, and stabbed a six-year-old in the head with enough force that it killed the child, and the blade was bent. He was released recently on good behavior after ten years. The father said if he catches him in public, he will kill him. I keep hearing of sanctuary cities, and there's no resemblance to biblical sanctuary cities, and there are no blood avengers typically waiting if any of the guilty leave the sanctuary city. Instead of high priests, there are secular civil magistrates doing what they do best.
Some Christians promote lawlessness even in the courts of the civil magistrates. All men are under the 7 Noahide laws. Among those laws are to create courts of law. The Noahide laws are universal; no man is above them. And if I may, do not read into what I said and post scriptures of Paul saying we are not under the Law. These laws are universal in nature; they are as real to human nature as gravity ensures no man can pull himself up by his own bootstraps to heaven.
It's a harsh thing to say that Christians are largely responsible for the current culture and atmosphere here. Most of which will usher in the devils under the worldly virtues of pluralism, inclusiveness, and tolerance.

Hope you don't mind me answering @Ziggy
G-d bless

 

[Ziggy]

Let me just add this......I believe those things in the Old Testament do serve as warnings of the judgment to come, yes. But this isn't the day of judgment yet is it? For now we are in the time of God's longsuffering that we are to account as salvation....the age of grace or the church age. We are ambassadors of reconciliation in this age....showing God's MERCY, not meting out His justice.

Every Day is a day of Judgment for those who do not believe.

 

[Lizbeth]

Who does God use to judge those outside the church?

Mat 22:17
Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
Mat 22:18
But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
Mat 22:19
Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
Mat 22:20
And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
Mat 22:21
They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

He uses government to judge those outside the church.........NOT THE CHURCH.

 

[Gray_Joy]

Let me just add this......I believe those things in the Old Testament do serve as warnings of the judgment to come, yes. But this isn't the day of judgment yet is it? For now we are in the time of God's longsuffering that we are to account as salvation....the age of grace or the church age. We are ambassadors of reconciliation in this age....showing God's MERCY, not meting out His justice.

The day of judgement?

That occurs when we die. That occurs also in what God prophesied , predestined,as that what is written in Revelation.

We are being judged every single day by God.

Don't be deceived.

We are not living in an age of grace,as if that means God will not,does not,show ,pour out, his wrath today.

Our age of grace is God's calling whom he will into his salvation. Opening their heart and mind to hold faith in him and live righteously.

Opponents of the eternal irrevocable gospel of salvation disparage it by claiming such a covenant is a license to sin.

Proving,they don't read nor respect the Bible.

However,the idea that we are living in an age of grace is tantamount to saying the same thing. That we here today,in this age,are not under God's judgement.

When that is simply not true.

This is an age of Grace because it is the age when,after the cross,because of its power,God is calling sinners to his faith and eternal irrevocable salvation.

Age of grace does not mean we all are not accountable for our behaviors. Be we the
redeemed
or sinner.

This is proven when saints and sinners alike are judged after this life.

Sinners judgement is a given.They lived and died in their sins because God made them for to be vessels of wrath. Their names were not in His Book. As he says.

Ours are. And we will be judged as we exemplify the effects his Salvific grace and what it instilled in us in this life.

So,we aren't living outside of
God's notice. Nor his judgement today.

You might consider, what happens to us in life is both God's judgement so to set us aright. And God's rewards when we are doing things right.

And it is all an opportunity to put the teachings from his indwelling spirit into action. To show we are paying,praying,attention.
Not just walking through life assured of our eternal destiny.

That is the meaning of our works are synonymous with our salvation. They don't secure it. Jesus did that irrevocably on the cross.

Rather,work shows we are saved because we now know the things of God. And serve his kingdom in his name as one with him.

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.” 2 Corinthians 5:10

 

[Ziggy]

Know what the Lord told me over 20 years ago...?

Did you prophecy of this 20 years ago, or are you just mentioning it now after the fact?

 

[Ziggy]

He uses government to judge those outside the church.........NOT THE CHURCH.

VERY GOOD

 

[Gray_Joy]

And then thanks be to God, He finally introduced a new way, the gospel of peace! Whew! A light to shine in all that terrible darkness! Beating swords into ploughshares!

When did this occur in the history of the new testimony
of faith?
How many crusades did the church pursue?

What do you think the rainbow was for? Pointing ahead to the gospel of mercy, thankfully! Oh my! May the Lord open the eyes that are blind!

Yes,may he open them that turn from the history God established in the beginning.

For,the blind today do not see the rainbow appeared after God drowned all the world for 40 days and nights.

 

[Bombastic]

Depraved persons are lost souls, who have fallen prey to the enemy of their souls, many of whom have suffered abuses and emotional lacks in childhood. They are not all behaving like Nero did as a perpetrator. I'm not their judge, and since it is still the gospel age and mandate of the church, I will choose to offer compassion and mercy. Would you suggest we sit in judgment of that young boy who Nero cruelly abused and corrupted? Doesn't mean I "accept" their sin or any sin, but it means I will not regard them or treat them like lepers. We were all lost souls and sinning at one time, and God is the judge of every soul, not me or you. I'm sure He can be safely trusted to judge righteously, He sure doesn't need us to do it for Him.

Agree that the American church needs to wake up and get back to focusing on evangelizing, casting out demons and healing lost souls. instead of politicking,....we should follow the Godly example of the early church when they were living in openly pagan societies and under the boot of a pagan Empire.

And that's the rationalism developed by secularism. Everybody is mentally ill; face it. Priests and pastors are replaced in society with health care workers specializing in the area of false science, psychology. The healthcare system has been weaponized by whatever authority that is paid by whatever elected or appointed official. Those institutions make billions from labeling people mentally ill rather than criminal. Mention G-d, for example, and a person can quickly find themselves in a mental institution for evaluation; "detained" is the word of the day. No criminal filings, just civil, and everybody, to their financial benefit, joins the bandwagon motto, "Well, the authorities must have had a good reason," which benefits them to the tune of billions of dollars; meanwhile, insurances are billed to the benefit of these institutions, and because no criminal charges are pressed, the crime rate appears to be lower. Secular priests or shrinks are not only "essential" but nothing more than witches and sorcerers making excuses to preserve and celebrate the lives of the wicked or "those lost souls" or simply depraved rather than separating those souls from the body and leaving that for the mercy of G-d.
And why would you insinuate persecution of the victim? To prove that victimization is the cause of all those lost souls? And to suggest that Sporous could have hypothetically grown up and, because of his abuses and ongoing behavior if freed from sex slavery, been justified? It is obvious why, to me, the pericope adulterae (Johannine) is missing from older manuscripts.
I am not pretending to know best; that's what people do today. Everybody believes man knows best and offers humanistic solutions, and that entails that man knows best. G-d commanded, and people are disobedient and know best. The same causes always have the solution. I have no doubt you are nobody's judge. Let others discern and do what is righteous. Believe it or not, righteous actions do exist. Last question, how are you going to cast out demons when not even the Apostles could at the closing of the revelatory process? How about attacking the gates of hades rather than promoting universalism?
While I believe rationalism is a major issue today, there's obviously no edification that comes about against the emotional, feely types.
Everybody has a good reason. Your charge is no different than the spies that returned and spread a bad report. It caused rebellion and disobedience to what G-d commanded. And they were dealt with by ordinary means.

 

[Bombastic]

He uses government to judge those outside the church.........NOT THE CHURCH.

And how are those inside the church cast outside the church in excommunication for the devil?

 

[amigo de christo]

When did this occur in the history of the new testimony
of faith?
How many crusades did the church pursue?




Yes,may he open them that turn from the history God established in the beginning.

For,the blind today do not see the rainbow appeared after God drowned all the world for 40 days and nights.

Lets examine your second question . It was surely a very very good question you did ask .
How many crusades did the church pursue .
The answer is NONE . The true church never once called for crusades .
DO try and understand why i wrote as i did write .
OH I KNOW the RCC called for crusades . But that aint no church the sheep sat under , that for darn sure .
And yes i know later that THE RCC along with certain states would put to death protestants as well
as PROTESTANTS with certain states would put to death catholics .
BUT THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YA ONE Tries to MERGE the heavenly into the earthern
WITH poltics . THE SHEEP never bought the lie . I sure hope many can see
why its time to COME OUT of these political and worlders who do nothing but merge
and create NOH TING but KINGDOM of what they THINK is of GOD
and oh yeah ITS GONNA CALL FOR crusades again too . TIME to f lee that realm forever and never l ook b ack even once .
B ut thanks for asking such a good question . It had to be answered . I PRAY all will hear it too