Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

[WPM]

You're absolutely right! What I said was belittling and ungodly and came from the mindset of returning evil for evil! Which is why I detest how both you and WPM always turn discussions into belittling and ungodly whenever someone disagrees with your understanding of doctrine. We are all called to give a reasonable, biblical explanation for what we believe the Bible is teaching us. But neither of you are satisfied with reasonable, biblical explanations that are not how you understand any verse or passage. When one has the audacity to disagree with either of you, both of you often mock, ridicule and belittle using snarky, smirking little comments like "HELLO" or "LOL" as though you both have perfect knowledge and every argument that disagrees with you must be PUT DOWN! And you call me a whining crybaby when the two of you repeatedly display this childish behavior that serves only to anger and upset fellow Christians.

I do believe this particular discussion has run its course long ago! So, I am wondering why one or the other of you two keeps bringing it up again and again. I believe it's because neither of you can let go of the FACT that Satan was not in the beginning and has never been an angel of God who fell when He disobeyed God. The Bible, not I tell us that Satan is the father of lies and a deceiver and murderer from creation! But the two of you just cannot let it go you will continue to defend your error perhaps to the end of the earth, because you are both too proud to admit when your doctrine errs.

You are the one who hurls insults but cannot take it. We are not the ones constantly playing the victim.

Your avoidance is being called out and you have no answer apart from to play the victim.

 

[rwb]

You are the one who hurls insults but cannot take it. We are not the ones constantly playing the victim.

Your avoidance is being called out and you have no answer apart from to play the victim.

Who started this thread, carrying it over from another discussion? And who from the first post set the tone for all that has followed!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Who started this thread, carrying it over from another discussion?

Are you saying you think he shouldn't have done that? This topic had nothing to do with that particular thread, so it made sense to create a separate thread about this topic instead of continuing to derail that thread.

And who from the first post set the tone for all that has followed!

Can you quote anything from the first post to back up your claim here? Are you referring to him comparing TS's view that there is no such thing as a personal spirit being named Satan or spirit beings called demons to what Christadelphians believe? That should not be considered rude or offensive. It's true. But, that is not something you personally believe, so he was not talking about your particular beliefs there.

 

[rwb]

Are you saying you think he shouldn't have done that? This topic had nothing to do with that particular thread, so it made sense to create a separate thread about this topic instead of continuing to derail that thread.

Sure, it didn't have anything at all to do with the discussion before it but was only started not to derail that thread.....whatever!

Can you quote anything from the first post to back up your claim here? Are you referring to him comparing TS's view that there is no such thing as a personal spirit being named Satan or spirit beings called demons to what Christadelphians believe? That should not be considered rude or offensive. It's true. But, that is not something you personally believe, so he was not talking about your particular beliefs there.

If you can't figure it out by reading it yourself, nothing I could say could convince you otherwise!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Sure, it didn't have anything at all to do with the discussion before it but was only started not to derail that thread

That is correct.

If you can't figure it out by reading it yourself, nothing I could say could convince you otherwise!

In other words, you made a statement that you can't back up.

 

[amigo de christo]

Who started this thread, carrying it over from another discussion? And who from the first post set the tone for all that has followed!

always remember in all that we do may it be to PLEASE GOD . worry not over what man thinks or says .
FOCUS on the LORD and let us please HIM .
FOR if i sought to please man i would not be the servant of CHRIST . paul wrote that many years ago .
Simply speak truth . Who so ever hears amen and who so ever rejects
REbUKE and correct them and if they heed not , THAT will be their own downfall .
BUT and this is a major big ol butt , so big in fact if launched it would blot out the sun ,
BUT NEVER pander to the vicitm card , the judge not correct not card , to those who run to safe rooms
and accuse those who actually do correct . As Nike once said JUST DO IT
I now now have a new motto concerning this victim card judge not correct not .
JUST DONT DO IT . you all have a blessed day now . DO be encouraged , and understand
this sheep is in the business of doing what is best for others
and not rather pandering to their cards .

 

[Marvelloustime]

always remember in all that we do may it be to PLEASE GOD . worry not over what man thinks or says .
FOCUS on the LORD and let us please HIM .
FOR if i sought to please man i would not be the servant of CHRIST . paul wrote that many years ago .
Simply speak truth . Who so ever hears amen and who so ever rejects
REbUKE and correct them and if they heed not , THAT will be their own downfall .
BUT and this is a major big ol butt , so big in fact if launched it would blot out the sun ,
BUT NEVER pander to the vicitm card , the judge not correct not card , to those who run to safe rooms
and accuse those who actually do correct . As Nike once said JUST DO IT
I now now have a new motto concerning this victim card judge not correct not .
JUST DONT DO IT . you all have a blessed day now . DO be encouraged , and understand
this sheep is in the business of doing what is best for others
and not rather pandering to their cards .

@amigo de christo

 

[WPM]

Who started this thread, carrying it over from another discussion? And who from the first post set the tone for all that has followed!

I started this thread to expose heresy. That does not mean I am trying to belittle you. If you advance what I believe is error I reserve the right to challenge it. That is what I have done.

If i have belittled you I apologize. That is not my intent. If I have got frustrated at your avoidance I plead guilty. But I do not like being frustrated.

 

[WPM]

always remember in all that we do may it be to PLEASE GOD . worry not over what man thinks or says .
FOCUS on the LORD and let us please HIM .
FOR if i sought to please man i would not be the servant of CHRIST . paul wrote that many years ago .
Simply speak truth . Who so ever hears amen and who so ever rejects
REbUKE and correct them and if they heed not , THAT will be their own downfall .
BUT and this is a major big ol butt , so big in fact if launched it would blot out the sun ,
BUT NEVER pander to the vicitm card , the judge not correct not card , to those who run to safe rooms
and accuse those who actually do correct . As Nike once said JUST DO IT
I now now have a new motto concerning this victim card judge not correct not .
JUST DONT DO IT . you all have a blessed day now . DO be encouraged , and understand
this sheep is in the business of doing what is best for others
and not rather pandering to their cards .

Do you also believe that Satan. demons and angels are not real?

 

[amigo de christo]

Do you also believe that Satan. demons and angels are not real?

who on this green earth beleives that . Oh they are real all right .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

who on this green earth beleives that . Oh they are real all right .

Read the first post of this thread. This thread was created because someone here believes that. It was being discussed in a different thread about a completely different topic, so WPM decided to create a new thread to discuss this topic.

 

[rwb]

who on this green earth beleives that . Oh they are real all right .

Read the first post of this thread. This thread was created because someone here believes that. It was being discussed in a different thread about a completely different topic, so WPM decided to create a new thread to discuss this topic.

In taking various posts out of context, without reading the entirety of the thread, one might claim there are replies that prove the denial of the existence of Satan and demonic spirits. However, reading the whole without a preconceived bias it is not true. It's never been a question of whether or not Satan and demonic spirits exist, but the question of HOW they exist within the hearts of man.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

In taking various posts out of context, without reading the entirety of the thread, one might claim there are replies that prove the denial of the existence of Satan and demonic spirits.

Wrong. Just ask @TribulationSigns directly if he believes in personal spirit beings called Satan and demons and angels and he will tell you that he does not. Why do you want to defend him? He has made his beliefs about this very clear.

However, reading the whole without a preconceived bias it is not true. It's never been a question of whether or not Satan and demonic spirits exist, but the question of HOW they exist within the hearts of man.

For YOU, that isn't a question, but he does not agree with you about that. Everyone else can see that except you. But, if you don't believe me, just ask him. He has said many times that he believes Satan represents the spirit of man or mankind rather than a personal spirit being and that angels are human messengers and not created, personal, spiritual, heavenly beings that serve God.

 

[rwb]

Wrong. Just ask @TribulationSigns directly if he believes in personal spirit beings called Satan and demons and angels and he will tell you that he does not.

If TS didn't believe in the existence of Satan and demonic spiritual beings, he wouldn't say they exist through human hosts? Like I, TS doesn't believe some angels of God were good and became evil beings through disobedience and became demons/devils of Satan.

For YOU, that isn't a question, but he does not agree with you about that. Everyone else can see that except you. But, if you don't believe me, just ask him. He has said many times that he believes Satan represents the spirit of man or mankind rather than a personal spirit being and that angels are human messengers and not created, personal, spiritual, heavenly beings that serve God.

Yes, the spirit within FALLEN mankind is of Satan, man became the same spirit as Satan through the fall, when they disobeyed God and listened to the voice of evil. The spirit of man in the beginning, at creation became evil through sin, destined to die. That is why man must be SPIRITUALLY born again to have eternal life.

 

[WPM]

who on this green earth beleives that . Oh they are real all right .

rwb and Trib Saints here. Read the Op.

 

[WPM]

In taking various posts out of context, without reading the entirety of the thread, one might claim there are replies that prove the denial of the existence of Satan and demonic spirits. However, reading the whole without a preconceived bias it is not true. It's never been a question of whether or not Satan and demonic spirits exist, but the question of HOW they exist within the hearts of man.

Are they real spiritual entities distinct from human beings?

 

[rwb]

Are they real spiritual entities distinct from human beings?

What is your point? Can spirits exist without a physical host?

There are angels of God that are unseen spirit beings. And there are also unseen spirit beings called Satan, devils, demons who are adversaries of God and His Church.

 

[WPM]

Can spirits exist without a physical host?

There are angels of God that are unseen spirit beings. And there are also unseen spirit beings called Satan, devils, demons who are adversaries of God and His Church.

Yes they can. They did before the fall and they can today. They are spirits. Angels have appeared unto men distinct to human bodies.

Job 4:15 Then a spirit passed before my face; the hair of my flesh stood up:

The disciples knew and believed in the existence of spirits separate and distinct to man.

Mat 14:26 And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.
Mat 14:27 But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.

 

[WPM]

Can spirits exist without a physical host?

There are angels of God that are unseen spirit beings. And there are also unseen spirit beings called Satan, devils, demons who are adversaries of God and His Church.

Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Mat 12:44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Mat 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Matthew 12:43-45 proves that demons operate outside of physical bodies. Notwithtanding, they are constantly on the lookout for humans to inhabit.

 

[WPM]

Can spirits exist without a physical host?

There are angels of God that are unseen spirit beings. And there are also unseen spirit beings called Satan, devils, demons who are adversaries of God and His Church.

Matthew 8:28-34

28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
30 And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.
31 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
32 And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.
33 And they that kept them fled, and went their ways into the city, and told every thing, and what was befallen to the possessed of the devils.
34 And, behold, the whole city came out to meet Jesus: and when they saw him, they besought him that he would depart out of their coasts.

If demons are not in fact real distinct demonic entities but just "evil" in man's "spirit" ("the spirit of disobedience") what are they doing in hogs? This is ridiculous.