Using the term "rapture" incorrectly

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correct.
1. the resurrection/rapture event- 1Thessalonians4:14-18
2. the resurrection of the two witnesses - Revelation 11:11-12
3. the resurrection of the martyred great tribulation saints - Revelation 20:4
4. the resurrection of the rest of the dead - Revelation 20:13
Your claim above is "False"

There is one future resurrection of "All" that have lived, and it takes place on "The Last Day" the time of "Final Judgement"


John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth
; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The Resurrection Of "All" That Have Lived Takes Place On The Last Day


John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The Last Day Is The Time Of Final Judgement


John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
 
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The pre-trib crowd falsely teaches of multiple times ofresurrections, I think douggg has 4 future resurrection
I think he believes in 3 future resurrections. One at the supposed pre-trib rapture, one when Jesus returns and one 1,000+ years later. Is there another one he believes in besides those?

Edit: I see that the resurrection of the two witnesses is his fourth future resurrection. That's 3 too many. There will only be one general resurrection of all of the dead at the same time/hour, as Daniel, Jesus and Paul taught (Daniel 12:1-2, John 5:28-29, Acts 24:15).

I also believe God's words in John 5:28-29 and how all in the Graves will come forth, John 6:39-40 the believer will be resurrected on the last day at the Lords second coming, and not anytime before it
I believe that as well, of course.
 

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correct.
1. the resurrection/rapture event- 1Thessalonians4:14-18
2. the resurrection of the two witnesses - Revelation 11:11-12
3. the resurrection of the martyred great tribulation saints - Revelation 20:4
4. the resurrection of the rest of the dead - Revelation 20:13
I agree.....unless there's another resurrection hidden in the bible somewhere.
 

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I agree.....unless there's another resurrection hidden in the bible somewhere.
How do you interpret this passage...

John 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

You have four hours coming when the dead will be resurrected, but Jesus said one hour is coming at which point "all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth".
 

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How do you interpret this passage...

John 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

You have four hours coming when the dead will be resurrected, but Jesus said one hour is coming at which point "all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth".
The scripture is simple and easy to understand, there's one future resurrection of all John 5:28-29, Daniel 12:1-2, it takes place on the last day John 6:39:40, at the second coming 1 Corinthians 15:23-24, this is the time of final judgement John 12:48

This is the very reason I rarely respond to the posters, to claim that there are 4 future resurrections in the light of the referenced scripture doesn't even come close to honest debate

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How do you interpret this passage...

John 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

You have four hours coming when the dead will be resurrected, but Jesus said one hour is coming at which point "all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth".
What point are you trying to make?
It means those who are still in their graves will hear Jesus voice. I don't see it as complicated as you do.
 

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What point are you trying to make?
It means those who are still in their graves will hear Jesus voice. I don't see it as complicated as you do.
Was my question too difficult? I'm not making it complicated at all. Your doctrine is what is complicated with its 4 separate resurrection events. I think the passage is quite straightforward. Jesus said a singular time/hour is coming at which point all who are in the graves will be resurrected. How do you reconcile your belief in 4 different resurrection events with what Jesus said?
 

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Was my question too difficult? I'm not making it complicated at all. Your doctrine is what is complicated with its 4 separate resurrection events. I think the passage is quite straightforward. Jesus said a singular time/hour is coming at which point all who are in the graves will be resurrected. How do you reconcile your belief in 4 different resurrection events with what Jesus said?
As I said....I disagree with you.
The reasons what have been presented on this thread by me and others.

If you need to believe that there is only one resurrection....have at it.

I would imagine you're also a partial preterist.
 

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As I said....I disagree with you.
The reasons what have been presented on this thread by me and others.
Can you tell me in which post you gave your interpretation of John 5:28-29?

If you need to believe that there is only one resurrection....have at it.
That's what Jesus said. Do you think Jesus knew what He was talking about when He said there is a singular hour coming when all of the dead will be resurrected or not?

I would imagine you're also a partial preterist.
Wrong. I'm an amillennialist, but not a partial preterist.
 

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I guess I overlooked that part when I rated his post with a 'Like'. You make a good point here then. For example. Matthew 27:52-53.

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


This seems to show that the change into alive bodies from that of a decayed state, that it happens from the grave and upon the earth. If some of these were in a decayed unrecognizable state when they bodily came out of their graves, it would be pointless to appear unto many in a state like that. Therefore, their change happened around the vicinity of their tombs and that their change happened upon the earth.

A resurrection of sorts, but not given a glorified body yet, they still had to wait for it.
And what about all the other dead who were raised up by Christ and the apostles during their earthly ministry, none were glorified yet.

That LAST DAY of this old earth is a very busy DAY, resurrection of all the dead, and judgment, here mentioned for the unbelieving who do come under judgment, a judgment believers escape.

John 11:24
Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
John 12:48
He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him— the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

In 1 Cor 15 Paul teaches on the resurrection and glorification.
So on the LAST DAY, when He raises us up, we are resurrected and glorified as a simultaneous event.
v48 - v49 make it even more clear, we are not given an earthly body which is made of the dust of the earth, on that resurrection at the Last Day.

A Glorious Body​

35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?” 36 Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. 37 And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body.

39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind [f]of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.

40 There are also [g]celestial bodies and [h]terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.

47 The first man was of the earth, made[i] of dust; the second Man is [j]the Lord from heaven.

48 As was the [k]man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we[l] shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.

Our Final Victory​

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

55 “O[n] Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.
 

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A resurrection of sorts, but not given a glorified body yet, they still had to wait for it.
And what about all the other dead who were raised up by Christ and the apostles during their earthly ministry, none were glorified yet.

That LAST DAY of this old earth is a very busy DAY, resurrection of all the dead, and judgment, here mentioned for the unbelieving who do come under judgment, a judgment believers escape.

John 11:24
Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
John 12:48
He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him— the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

In 1 Cor 15 Paul teaches on the resurrection and glorification.
So on the LAST DAY, when He raises us up, we are resurrected and glorified as a simultaneous event.
v48 - v49 make it even more clear, we are not given an earthly body which is made of the dust of the earth, on that resurrection at the Last Day.

A Glorious Body​

35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?” 36 Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. 37 And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body.

39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind [f]of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.

40 There are also [g]celestial bodies and [h]terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.

47 The first man was of the earth, made[i] of dust; the second Man is [j]the Lord from heaven.

48 As was the [k]man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we[l] shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.

Our Final Victory​

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

55 “O[n] Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.
No.
Those raised from the dead did receive glorified bodies

They were risen in that dynamic. To go to heaven as risen from the dead.
They are firstfruits.
In glorified bodies, in heaven.
We are Main harvest, and are resurrected, or alive and raptured, to receive glorified bodies,
AS THEY DID .

You have to incorporate "firstfruits ".
Then it is understood who and what they are.
 

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Those raised from the dead did receive glorified bodies

They were risen in that dynamic. To go to heaven as risen from the dead.
They are firstfruits.
In glorified bodies, in heaven.
We are Main harvest, and are resurrected, or alive and raptured, to receive glorified bodies,
AS THEY DID .

You have to incorporate "firstfruits ".
Then it is understood who and what they are.
Oh, they have a heavenly body as do all the angels of God
But the resurrection of all the dead is not past, it is still future.
The order is stated here... AND if you notice after our resurrection comes the END!
No 1000 year temporary age, we have entered the eternal state.

1 Cor 15
20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have [d]fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.

23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
 

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Oh, they have a heavenly body as do all the angels of God
But the resurrection of all the dead is not past, it is still future.
The order is stated here... AND if you notice after our resurrection comes the END!
No 1000 year temporary age, we have entered the eternal state.

1 Cor 15
20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have [d]fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.

23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
Yes it is.
But firstfruits already happened.