Steven Spielberg’s new movie Disclosure Day

[bdavidc]

The thread has wandered quite a distance from the original point, so I want to bring it back.

The purpose of the OP was not to establish whether UFOs are angels, demons, extraterrestrials, secret technology, or something else. Scripture does not tell us what every unidentified object is, so we should not claim certainty where God has not spoken.

The point was that the world is fascinated with receiving some great disclosure from beyond mankind while refusing the disclosure God has already given in Jesus Christ. “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son” (Hebrews 1:1–2).

Whatever may or may not appear in the sky, no sign, being, government announcement, angel, or supposed alien has authority to contradict God’s Word or preach another gospel. “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:8).

The real issue is not whether angels need spacecraft, how they travel, or how future deception may look. The real issue is whether people will hear the Son whom God has already sent. “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him” (Matthew 17:5).

 

[ScottA]

Hebrews 13:8 does not mean that God continues giving new revelation in the same way He did through the prophets and apostles. “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and for ever” means His person, character, authority, and promises do not change. It does not mean every method God used at one time must continue forever.

I see I am going to need to take things one point at a time.

You saying yes, but no, is not the measure of God and Christ. Did you hear yourself doing that? You said 'the same" does not mean "the same."

Jesus is the Beginning and the End, who was and is and is to come. Which is true from the beginning to the end. You don't have to believe it, you can put your own limits on what you believe--but that in no way changes that God never changes.

“For I am the Lord, I do not change" Malachi 3:6​

 

[bdavidc]

I see I am going to need to take things one point at a time.

You saying yes, but no, is not the measure of God and Christ. Did you hear yourself doing that? You said 'the same" does not mean "the same."

Jesus is the Beginning and the End, who was and is and is to come. Which is true from the beginning to the end. You don't have to believe it, you can put your own limits on what you believe--but that in no way changes that God never changes.

“For I am the Lord, I do not change" Malachi 3:6​

I did not say “the same” does not mean “the same.” I said Christ’s unchanging nature does not mean God must keep using every method He has ever used. That is a distinction Scripture itself makes.

Jesus Christ is eternally the same, but He is not continually being born in Bethlehem, dying on the cross, or rising from the dead. Those were unique acts in God’s unchanging plan. In the same way, God once spoke through prophets, but Hebrews says, “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son” (Hebrews 1:1–2).

God does not change, yet Scripture says, “the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law” (Hebrews 7:12), and the first covenant was made old by the establishment of the new covenant (Hebrews 8:13). Christ also “taketh away the first, that he may establish the second” (Hebrews 10:9).

Malachi 3:6 teaches that God’s character and covenant faithfulness do not change. It does not teach that prophets, sacrifices, priesthoods, covenants, and apostolic revelation must continue forever. You are taking a true statement about God’s nature and forcing it to say something the verse never says.

 

[ScottA]

Hebrews 1:1–2 makes a clear distinction: “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son.” Christ is God’s complete and climactic revelation. The apostles then bore authoritative witness to Him by the Holy Ghost, and that testimony has been preserved for us in Scripture.

Christ is certainly still with His people and working among us. He said, “Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world” (Matthew 28:20). But He works through His Spirit according to His written Word, not by giving people new doctrines, new Scripture, or private revelations that must be accepted as God speaking.

Did you think I am referring to "new new doctrines, new scripture, or private revelations? I am not. But rather as it is written some things written were not to be written or revealed until the time of the end, when the seventh angel is about to sound. How is that you thought those things would be fulfilled--by some "new" method, or by God's established method--or not at all?

 

[ScottA]

The foundation has already been laid: “Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone” (Ephesians 2:20). A foundation is laid once, not continuously. Jude likewise speaks of “the faith which was once delivered unto the saints” (Jude 3).

A "foundation" was not all that was foretold to be built. I ones faith does not include the "finish", it is such a one who is "Ye of little faith."

 

[ScottA]

Christ has not changed, but that does not mean revelation has not reached its completion. The unchanging Christ still speaks through the Word He has already given. The real question is not whether Christ is working today, but whether what someone claims He is saying can be found and proven from Scripture.

Indeed "Christ still speaks through the Word He has already given", for there are yet babes born every day. But it is written also that beyond what has been written on parchment in times past, those things unwritten and sealed would be written and unsealed. Why then do you choose only part and not include all that is written "and proven from scripture?"

And why now should you continue to do so and reveal yourself falling short, when there is still time?

 

[ScottA]

I did not say “the same” does not mean “the same.” I said Christ’s unchanging nature does not mean God must keep using every method He has ever used. That is a distinction Scripture itself makes.

I wasn't quoting you, I was quoting me, and you contradicting your self to say in effect, yes but no. There is a saying for that...speaking out of both sides of your mouth. But that doesn't work with God.

 

[ScottA]

Jesus Christ is eternally the same, but He is not continually being born in Bethlehem, dying on the cross, or rising from the dead. Those were unique acts in God’s unchanging plan. In the same way, God once spoke through prophets, but Hebrews says, “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son” (Hebrews 1:1–2).

Your take on that is not all that the scriptures say. But I am not going to engage you in scripture tit-for-tat forever either, some of what I have been saying was a onetime act, and some is forever also.

 

[ScottA]

God does not change, yet Scripture says, “the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law” (Hebrews 7:12), and the first covenant was made old by the establishment of the new covenant (Hebrews 8:13). Christ also “taketh away the first, that he may establish the second” (Hebrews 10:9).

So what? What does that have to do with Jesus Himself continuing to send "some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers", etc.?

 

[ScottA]

Malachi 3:6 teaches that God’s character and covenant faithfulness do not change. It does not teach that prophets, sacrifices, priesthoods, covenants, and apostolic revelation must continue forever. You are taking a true statement about God’s nature and forcing it to say something the verse never says.

On the contrary, you are taking a very simple truth about God and putting your own limits on it to suit your own liking.