Be Careful of the wolves in sheeps clothing

[Ronald Nolette]

So, you think you being half-right, that "flesh and bone" can inherit the kingdom?

Wrong. Half-wrong is wrong.

"Flesh and bone" are the dust elements of this earth of which it is written "the dust will return to the earth as it was" (which I said before), and "the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat." Go figure--"by the mouth of two or three witnesses the matter shall be established!"

It is established.

And those dust elements were physically resurrected in Jesus and ascended. You have no biblical warrant to believe otherwise.
Even at the end of time all souls will be reunited with their bodies. At the rapture the dead saints will be reunited with their glorified bodies. That is Scripture. To believe otherwise denies Jesus is the God/man and first fruits of the resurrection.

You hold to a variant of the JW belief that Jesus did not physically ascend in to heaven and that His body somehow just magically disappeared.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Wow! Again, you even quote the passages, then deny them again returning to the ways of mere men.

As for Paul, he submitted himself to the church, but also called Peter out on his church error, not unlike the error that Jesus had called out Peter out on before as well, for thinking as a man. But even Peter knew that “We ought to obey God rather than men."

But apparently, you do not.

Thus, knowing no better, you turn again to be the accuser after the pattern of Satan.

And you0 once again open you rmouth and intentionally lie about my beliefs.

Paul did submit ot the leadership of the early church. But you probably reinterpreted theWord of God on this to make it the word of god according to Scott A.

Paul went to the council of jerusalem
He also went to Peter
He also submitted to the leadership in antioch when God told the leaders to seperate Paul and Barnabbas.

And yes we must obey god rather than men, when men alter the Word of God or twist it to their own destruction, or reinterpret it to place themselves above the Word

 

[ScottA]

And those dust elements were physically resurrected in Jesus and ascended.

Oh...how wrong...and you don't even see it. That is not biblical!

 

[ScottA]

Paul went to the council of jerusalem
He also went to Peter

I went to God in the third heaven.
I also went to the church--including you.

But the church is corrupt, the result of false teachers, as was Israel with false Priests--both of whom have done horrible things against God and were in need of correction, which God has provided.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Oh...how wrong...and you don't even see it. That is not biblical!

So you do not believe Jesus was physically resurrected from the dead in the body that went to the cross?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I went to God in the third heaven.
I also went to the church--including you.

But the church is corrupt, the result of false teachers, as was Israel with false Priests--both of whom have done horrible things against God and were in need of correction, which God has provided.

Sorry but tthe gates of hell will not prevail against the church. If yuo0 are outside of fellowship- you are not being blessed by God.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I went to God in the third heaven.
I also went to the church--including you.

But the church is corrupt, the result of false teachers, as was Israel with false Priests--both of whom have done horrible things against God and were in need of correction, which God has provided.

If you had goen to teh third heaven like PAul, you would not be such a heretic.

You would believe in teh bodily resurrection and ascencion.
You would believe the church is still faithful (not Christendom but Christianity) There always has been a faithful remnant.
YOu would believe in the supremacy of the Word of God and not create new doctrine as you do.
Paul was commissioned to be an apostle to the Gentiles, you are not.
After Paul;s experience, He went on missionary journeys to spread the gospel. what are you doing?

Why should we believe you over the many others who claim many of the same things you do and are false teachers.

You have yet to list any of the false doctrines you claim the church has had over the centuries. So far that is just a vapid claim.

YOu deny the physical ascencion.
You seem to deny the physical resurrection in the same body Jesus died in.
You claim teh bible is not the final and sole authority for believers on earth. To quote you " it only goes so far."
You do not believe God said exactly what He meant, but men need to go to you to find the real truth, or as you call it, the "higher spiritual meaning".

There are many personal applications we can learn from teh OT, gospels and acts, but that does not negate the literal truths.

It is more important to know God destroyed the world with a real flood than any personal applications we can draw from it . These are personal applications for an individual and not some secret meaning.

If you wish to be even taken quasi seriously- list the false doctrines you say the church has adopted., other you are just blowing hot air.

 

[ScottA]

So you do not believe Jesus was physically resurrected from the dead in the body that went to the cross?

You have mixed two separate acts of Christ (not "rightly dividing" them).

Surely we have been here before, and I am now having to repeat myself! Again:

Jesus 1) went to the cross in the flesh and rose from the dead in the flesh. But afterward, what did Jesus say to Mary Magdalene? "Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father".​

And 2) Jesus "ascended to the Father"--who is spirit, becoming One with Him, while not violating His own statement, saying "The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” And also not contradicting what Paul would later say, "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God."​

All of which is easy and plain language to understand. Why do you not believe what is written?

 

[ScottA]

Sorry but tthe gates of hell will not prevail against the church. If yuo0 are outside of fellowship- you are not being blessed by God.

You got the wrong church.

Do you not know that Christ's church is solely built by what comes directly from the Father, as He told Peter--and not by "flesh and blood"; and that there is also a church that has since that time followed "flesh and blood" against those words from Christ, who have followed the teachings of false teachers?

 

[ScottA]

If you had goen to teh third heaven like PAul, you would not be such a heretic.

You would believe in teh bodily resurrection and ascencion.
You would believe the church is still faithful (not Christendom but Christianity) There always has been a faithful remnant.
YOu would believe in the supremacy of the Word of God and not create new doctrine as you do.
Paul was commissioned to be an apostle to the Gentiles, you are not.
After Paul;s experience, He went on missionary journeys to spread the gospel. what are you doing?

Why should we believe you over the many others who claim many of the same things you do and are false teachers.

You have yet to list any of the false doctrines you claim the church has had over the centuries. So far that is just a vapid claim.

YOu deny the physical ascencion.
You seem to deny the physical resurrection in the same body Jesus died in.
You claim teh bible is not the final and sole authority for believers on earth. To quote you " it only goes so far."
You do not believe God said exactly what He meant, but men need to go to you to find the real truth, or as you call it, the "higher spiritual meaning".

There are many personal applications we can learn from teh OT, gospels and acts, but that does not negate the literal truths.

It is more important to know God destroyed the world with a real flood than any personal applications we can draw from it . These are personal applications for an individual and not some secret meaning.

If you wish to be even taken quasi seriously- list the false doctrines you say the church has adopted., other you are just blowing hot air.

Who is an "heretic", but he who falsely accuses his brother?

Oh, and I reported your post where you showed me as saying what you said, as if you were quoting me.

 

[quietthinker]

Be Careful of the wolves in sheeps clothing​

....and how do you tell if not by sanctioning violence!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You have mixed two separate acts of Christ (not "rightly dividing" them).

Surely we have been here before, and I am now having to repeat myself! Again:

Jesus 1) went to the cross in the flesh and rose from the dead in the flesh. But afterward, what did Jesus say to Mary Magdalene? "Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father".​

And 2) Jesus "ascended to the Father"--who is spirit, becoming One with Him, while not violating His own statement, saying "The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” And also not contradicting what Paul would later say, "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God."​

All of which is easy and plain language to understand. Why do you not believe what is written?

Because it does not say that He did not physically ascend, but that the body He rose from teh grave with is the same one that the disciples saw HIm ascend with.

Jesus 1- Yes He said that to Mary, but a week later He told Thomas to touch Him? That was before His ascencion in Acts. so in between Easter Sunday and a week later He ascended to the Father. Why? He was competing the role of High Priest and poured His own blood on the mercy seat of heaven as is shown in the SCriptures.

Jesus 2, "The wind blows" has nothing to do with jesus ascending physically or not. It has to do with teh 3rd person of the trinity making someone a new creature.

Yes flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom, but flesh and bone can!

it is sad that you ignore that important passage where Jesus says it is HImself for a spirit does not have flesh and bone! God is not casual or sloppy about words! It is a totally different way of expressing a person (flesh and blood) and you who claims to be a teacher should know that difference means something.

The dead humanity will be resotred to their body and enter heaven (the new universe) or the lake of fire. but you eject the biblical truth Jesus is the first to have a glorified body.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You got the wrong church.

Do you not know that Christ's church is solely built by what comes directly from the Father, as He told Peter--and not by "flesh and blood"; and that there is also a church that has since that time followed "flesh and blood" against those words from Christ, who have followed the teachings of false teachers?

And yet you refuse to identify the false teachings of this "flesh and blood church" That is a very telling silence.

Yes Jesus church are all those who are born of the Spirit. Currently we number in the tens of millions if not hundreds of millions on earth.

Too bad you have such disdain for them.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Who is an "heretic", but he who falsely accuses his brother?

Oh, and I reported your post where you showed me as saying what you said, as if you were quoting me.

Yes you love to run to others instead of following the bibles way of addressing errors.

And no, you need to look up the definintion of a heretic. And I di dnot falsely accuse you.

BTW still waiting for all those false teachings you say the church is steeped in.

 

[ScottA]

Because it does not say that He did not physically ascend, but that the body He rose from teh grave with is the same one that the disciples saw HIm ascend with.

One sentence and you show that you do not know what you are talking about!

I just quoted Jesus describing all who are born of the spirit--as not being visible--but here you sight what "the disciples saw."

So...no more...until you acknowledge that what the disciples say is not "that body that shall be" (1 Corinthians 15:37).

 

[ScottA]

And yet you refuse to identify the false teachings of this "flesh and blood church" That is a very telling silence.

That is not true--it's a lie!

I have identified many "false teaching" propagated by the "flesh and blood church"--the very ones we have been discussing...not to be confused with the scriptures they/you quote, but their/your interpretation.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That is not true--it's a lie!

I have identified many "false teaching" propagated by the "flesh and blood church"--the very ones we have been discussing...not to be confused with the scriptures they/you quote, but their/your interpretation.

Well the only one we have been discussing is the physical ascencion.

But I am awaiting a list of those you say are false specifically.

I know you believe that teh bible as written is very limited and one must get "higher spiritual meaning". So what else are you accussing millions of believers accepting tfalse teachings?

 

[ScottA]

Yes you love to run to others instead of following the bibles way of addressing errors.

And no, you need to look up the definintion of a heretic. And I di dnot falsely accuse you.

BTW still waiting for all those false teachings you say the church is steeped in.

Because you are a repeat offender, it is biblical to report you first to two or three, then to the church. That is what I did. The fact that you mock me for it and don't know what is biblically called for, just makes it worse for you.

BTW you should catch "all those false teachings" as we discuss them, and not expect me to have to repeat them.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

One sentence and you show that you do not know what you are talking about!

I just quoted Jesus describing all who are born of the spirit--as not being visible--but here you sight what "the disciples saw."

So...no more...until you acknowledge that what the disciples say is not "that body that shall be" (1 Corinthians 15:37).

I fully acknowledge that. It is not a mortal sin riddled body , but a glorified physical body of flesh and bone. As is written the life of the flesh is in the blood and all resurrected bodies will not have blood but be glorified.

You cannot provide one verse that shows Jesus ditched His resurrected body once the disciples saw Him leave earth and before He arrived in teh 3rd heaven.

that because you are so caught up in rewriting SCripture to show your "higher spiritual meanings" whicvh I think you believed you received when yo uthought you were caught up in the 3rd heaven. Yopu forget God was writing to simple people with simple thoughts so we could understand how to live to glorify Him, throughout the ages. God did not need to wait 2000 yeasrs for you to come along and tell us that for 2000 years the followers of Jesus got it all wrong. That is the methodology of the cults.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Because you are a repeat offender, it is biblical to report you first to two or three, then to the church. That is what I did. The fact that you mock me for it and don't know what is biblically called for, just makes it worse for you.

BTW you should catch "all those false teachings" as we discuss them, and not expect me to have to repeat them.

See you show your ignorance of Scripture. Each and every offense is to be dealt first individually.

Well just because you may disagree with something, does not make it a dfalse teaching.

And if you were a gentleman and teacher, you would gladly provide a list to make it clear which doctrinal teachings are false. Trying to catch what you thinkfalse is foolish. As you have reported me before.

And it is unbiblical to not allow me to see I erred and misquoted. I have apologized on these threads many times for misquoting people. You are too thin skinned I suspect.