3 End-times spiritual princes. Will they bring 3 antichrists?

[6 Stories]

Spiritual Prince 1 - The Prince of Rome - Daniel 9:26-27 " Is an antichrist associated with the prince of Rome?
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Is there an end-times antichrist associated with the prince of Rome?


Spiritual Prince 2 - The Prince of Greece - Daniel 11:38 "38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things."
An antichrist seems to be associated with the prince of Greece. Daniel 8:23 "23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up."
Antiochus IV seems to fit the historical standard for the antichrist.

Will there be another 'little horn' or antichrist empowered by the prince of Greece as was Antiochus IV?


Spiritual Prince 3 - Gog of Magog - Ezekiel 38:2 "2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him"

Will Gog's horde have an earthly king and will he be an antichrist?

Will all 3 of these spiritual princes exercise authority during the end-times?
Will they work through separate human antichrists?

 

[6 Stories]

I believe all 3 spiritual princes or heavenly beings are different, and each will affect the end-times in different ways.

The prince of Rome. In history, this prince stirred up Roman leaders, including Titus who destroyed Jerusalem in the first century.
In the future, I believe the prince of Rome will stir up new leaders led from Rome that will again reign over Jerusalem. This is pictured in the 2 feet with 10 toes (10 human leaders) in Daniel and over the 10 human leaders will be another human. The 7th head/beast/antichrist is the 7th king of Revelation 17:10. "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." The short space will be 3.5 years. This will be the time of peace and safety found in 1 Thes. 5:3 "For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."

The sudden destruction or travail will then last for a separate period of 3.5 years, the period of great tribulation. The little horn of Dan. 7:8, the king of the North (Assyria) under control of prince of Greece from Dan 11:40, also known as the 8th king of Rev 17:10-11 will begin his reign over the new Roman Empire by removing the twice daily Jewish animal sacrifice and setting up the abomination of desolation. This second antichrist will be the one most people have in mind when they mention antichrist, although he is usually blended to last 7 years with the first antichrist above.
Dan 7:8 "I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things."
Dan 11:40 "And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over."
Rev 17:10-11 "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."

Gog, the spiritual prince of Magog from Ezekiel 38 will influence a region from Turkey through Iran in the north and east along with some African nations in the south. Originally, he will rise up against the Assyrian, antichrist #2. Dan 11:44-45 "44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. 45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him."

The final events: The Assyrian, antichrist 2, will take over Israel (the Glorious Land - Dan 11:41) and Egypt (Dan 11:42). He will be on the verge of taking over the Libyans and Ethiopians (Dan 11:43). News from the east (Iran/Persia) and the north (Turkey/Magog) will trouble antichrist #2, so he will turn back from conquering the Libyans and Ethiopians and will come to his end in Israel Dan11:44-45). Compare these countries with those under control of Gog/Rosh in Ezekiel 38. Ez. 38:2 Magog, Rosh, Meshach, Tubal. Ez 38:5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya align with Gog. Ez 38:6 Gomer and Togarmah also align with Gog. The regions from Ezekiel that align with Gog are identical to the regions of Daniel which alarm antichrist 2 and combined with the regions that antichrist 2 was ready to attack. Under Gog, no 3rd antichrist is mentioned. Gog leads the people under his influence to "the mountains of Israel" in Ez 38:8. In the end, the people under the new Roman Empire plus the people of Assyria and Egypt, together with the people under the influence of Gog will all gather together in Armageddon to fight against Jesus upon his return. Rev 16:16 "And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon."

Do you agree that this will be the influence of the 3 end-times spiritual 'princes?'

 

[Douggg]

I believe all 3 spiritual princes or heavenly beings are different, and each will affect the end-times in different ways.

They are not spiritual beings, but men.

The little horn person goes through 5 stages (highlighted on the chart in blue) on his path to his detruction. One of the stages is that of being the Antichrist.

 

[The Light]

Spiritual Prince 1 - The Prince of Rome - Daniel 9:26-27 " Is an antichrist associated with the prince of Rome?
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Is there an end-times antichrist associated with the prince of Rome?


Spiritual Prince 2 - The Prince of Greece - Daniel 11:38 "38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things."
An antichrist seems to be associated with the prince of Greece. Daniel 8:23 "23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up."
Antiochus IV seems to fit the historical standard for the antichrist.

Will there be another 'little horn' or antichrist empowered by the prince of Greece as was Antiochus IV?


Spiritual Prince 3 - Gog of Magog - Ezekiel 38:2 "2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him"

Will Gog's horde have an earthly king and will he be an antichrist?

Will all 3 of these spiritual princes exercise authority during the end-times?
Will they work through separate human antichrists?

No such thing as the prince of Rome.

The people of the prince that shall come will destroy the 3rd Temple that is yet to be built.

 

[David in NJ]

Spiritual Prince 1 - The Prince of Rome - Daniel 9:26-27 " Is an antichrist associated with the prince of Rome?
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Is there an end-times antichrist associated with the prince of Rome?


Spiritual Prince 2 - The Prince of Greece - Daniel 11:38 "38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things."
An antichrist seems to be associated with the prince of Greece. Daniel 8:23 "23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up."
Antiochus IV seems to fit the historical standard for the antichrist.

Will there be another 'little horn' or antichrist empowered by the prince of Greece as was Antiochus IV?


Spiritual Prince 3 - Gog of Magog - Ezekiel 38:2 "2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him"

Will Gog's horde have an earthly king and will he be an antichrist?

Will all 3 of these spiritual princes exercise authority during the end-times?
Will they work through separate human antichrists?

The "god of fortresses" is could very well be Islam/Allah/Mohammud

a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up."

When we add "fierce countenance and understanding dark sentences it takes on a deeper meaning that could be Nethalim.

@TLHKAJ - What do you think?

 

[ScottA]

Spiritual Prince 1 - The Prince of Rome - Daniel 9:26-27 " Is an antichrist associated with the prince of Rome?
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Is there an end-times antichrist associated with the prince of Rome?


Spiritual Prince 2 - The Prince of Greece - Daniel 11:38 "38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things."
An antichrist seems to be associated with the prince of Greece. Daniel 8:23 "23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up."
Antiochus IV seems to fit the historical standard for the antichrist.

Will there be another 'little horn' or antichrist empowered by the prince of Greece as was Antiochus IV?


Spiritual Prince 3 - Gog of Magog - Ezekiel 38:2 "2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him"

Will Gog's horde have an earthly king and will he be an antichrist?

Will all 3 of these spiritual princes exercise authority during the end-times?
Will they work through separate human antichrists?

Hello 6'

Unfortunately you are referring to a popular understanding to the meaning with your first question about a Prince of Rome. You are not alone, that belief is shared by most of Christendom.

However, Daniel himself gives a better understanding before Chapter 9 and also after, which itself is also misunderstood. So, the first thing needed is to understand that many have been wrong about a lot of things regarding what is true. Israel for instance, after centuries of having God's initial word, and much study, were so wrong they crucified Christ. If we--if you--can start there with zero credit given to men and there studies and beliefs, then perhaps we can have a profitable discussion.

Assuming you can, here is what Daniel prefaced and also summarized Chapter 9 and his 70 weeks prophecy with:

Daniel 7:25​

He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time.​

Daniel 12:7​

Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.​

"A time, times, and half a time" was Daniel's way of telling us what he was going to tell us about, and then also afterward, tell us what he just told us. Which, if you are not familiar, is a public speaking model even to this day.

The point is--Daniel's own summary--is the same as the seven days of creation (as God's own preface) speaking of all the history of the world. Meaning, when Gabriel told Daniel "Seventy weeks are determined for your people..."--he meant since Adam!

The prophecy then goes on foretelling of the Messiah coming and taking away the daily sacrifice in the middle of the seven time, by fulfilling it.

And with that correction, considering the princes, should come out differently.

 

[William Barton]

Lots of antichrists (1John 2:18).

It's in the Book!

 

[William Barton]

IMO:

o. "Anti" in this context = "in place of."

o. "Christ" = "anointed one" (from Greek χριω "anoint").

o. Antichrist usurps the authority of Jesus.

o. Anointing with fragrant oil was/is a ritual of service. Jesus was thusly anointed to serve by God the Father:

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me ..."
(Isaiah 61:1).

 

[The Light]

The "god of fortresses" is could very well be Islam/Allah/Mohammud

I agree with the god of forces being Islam

a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up."

When we add "fierce countenance and understanding dark sentences it takes on a deeper meaning that could be Nethalim.

I think you are cross contaminating the beast of the earth in Revelation 11 with the beast of the sea in Revelation 8

 

[David in NJ]

I agree with the god of forces being Islam

I think you are cross contaminating the beast of the earth in Revelation 11 with the beast of the sea in Revelation 8

Please share your thoughts on "cross contamination" of the two beasts.

 

[ewq1938]

Spiritual Prince 1 - The Prince of Rome - Daniel 9:26-27 " Is an antichrist associated with the prince of Rome?
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Is there an end-times antichrist associated with the prince of Rome?

Doesn't call him the prince of Rome.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Spiritual Prince 1 - The Prince of Rome - Daniel 9:26-27 " Is an antichrist associated with the prince of Rome?
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Is there an end-times antichrist associated with the prince of Rome?

Yes, he is the prince to come, of the Romans/Europeans. Later I will show you two maps on either side of the Church Age. God does things we can't understand, like inserts the Church Age in the middle of the Beast Kingdoms 70 weeks over Israel, to brig them to hell, and repentance, or back unto God.

Spiritual Prince 2 - The Prince of Greece - Daniel 11:38 "38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things."
An antichrist seems to be associated with the prince of Greece. Daniel 8:23 "23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up."
Antiochus IV seems to fit the historical standard for the antichrist.

Will there be another 'little horn' or antichrist empowered by the prince of Greece as was Antiochus IV?

Yes, but they are the same man, hence in Dan. 7:7-8 he's called the Little Horn, and in Dan. 8:9 he's called the Little Horn, same man, (and so is the Assyrian). So, he is born in Greece and comes to power in Rome or the E.U. in the end times, well Greece is in the E.U. Thus he fulfills both Dan. 8:9 and Dan. 7:7-8 and he is the Assyrian by bloodline (Old Assyria. hence Northern Iraq or Southern Turkey covered 90% of Assyria).

So, in the last 2500 years a family crossed the common border Turkey has with Greece and that family had a child in Greece AFTER they joined the E.U. There was never going to be 10 horns/kings, or toes, the number 10 stands in for Completion, so when it was 8, 12, 19 or 27 the number 10 meant Rome Revived or the E.U. Completely Reunited. Thus when the Little Horn was born AMONGST THEM, he was born in Greece which is n the E.U.

Spiritual Prince 3 - Gog of Magog - Ezekiel 38:2 "2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him"

Its a totally different man, its a leader of a Nation (Gog =Putin probably) who leads a Coalition of Nations being Iran/Persia, Turkey, and a few North African nations into war against Israel, BUT THINK, the AC conquers Israel, this man is defeated by God, who destroys 5/6 of their armies on the Mount of God !! This war is meant to drive Israel in to the of the E.U. Gov. How else could he conquer a nuclear Israel without defanging them? Israel joining the E.U. is wat sets it all off, they 1.) Make God angry by "giving away His land essentially". 2.) This causes the pre trib. Rapture of the church and 3.) Israel will give up their nukes and thus set themselves up to be swiftly defeated at the 1260 events.

The short space will be 3.5 years.

Yes, as THE BEAST, but he is the E.U. President/AC when the 7 years start.

Dan. 7:8, the king of the North (Assyria) under control of prince of Greece from Dan 11:40, also known as the 8th king of Rev 17:10-11 will begin his reign over the new Roman Empire by removing the twice daily Jewish animal sacrifice and setting up the abomination of desolation. This second antichrist will be the one most people have in mind when they mention antichrist, although he is usually blended to last 7 years with the first antichrist above.

Assyria was defeated by Babylon long before this verse in Dan. 7:8 is speaking about. As a matter of fact both Dan. 7:7-8 and Dan. 11:40-43 is about the End Time Anti-Christ. The 8th King is Apollyon king of the bottomless pit, NOTICE, he has NO CROWNS on the 7 Heads or 10 Horns. He's not Satan, see Rev. 12 he has crowns as the Red Dragon on the 7 heads, and he's not a human being or AC/Beast so he has no crowns on the 10 Horns like the Beast does in Rev. 13.

Question, how can the temple that is already defiled be defiled? It can't be, God rent the temple and left when Jesus died, he will never return until they accept Jesus as their Messiah, so what creates the AoD? IMAGE that Defiles the Temple, meaning Israel has already repented and started worshiping Jesus, thus Malachi 4:5-6 means what it says, Gid will send Elijah back BEFORE the DOTL (1260) to turn Israel back unto God, and thus the Two-Witnesses are the 1335 Blessing, the False Prophet not only gets THE PEOPLE to make an IMAGE (read Rev. 13 it says so) at the 1290 AoD, he TAKES AWAY or FORBIDS Jesus Worship in "his temple" and thus the Jews/Israelis have 30 days to flee Judea before the 1260 AC conquers them to become the Beast for the last 1260 days. Each set number is that many days until the 2nd coming of Jesus ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS or THINGS (Dan. 11:40-45).

 

[The Light]

Please share your thoughts on "cross contamination" of the two beasts.

The beast of the earth is the rider on the white horse. This is the 7th king. He is of the king of the North.

The beast of the sea is the little horn. He is the 8th king who is of the seven.

 

[David in NJ]

The beast of the earth is the rider on the white horse. This is the 7th king. He is of the king of the North.

The beast of the sea is the little horn. He is the 8th king who is of the seven.

Please post scriptures that show the "white horse rider as the 7th king"

thank you

 

[The Light]

Yes, as THE BEAST, but he is the E.U. President/AC when the 7 years start.

The rider on the white horse will not be EU President. He is given the stephanos crown and thus will be Secretary General of the UN.

 

[The Light]

Please post scriptures that show the "white horse rider as the 7th king"

thank you

Rev 17 shows that we are waiting for the 7th king.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

When the 7th king comes, He will continue a short space which is a short length of time. He will come to power after the Church is raptured and will be killed.

Daniel 11
44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

This occurs just before the great tribulation.

Daniel 12
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

 

[David in NJ]

He will come to power after the Church is raptured and will be killed.

What scripture(s) do you see this???

 

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They are not spiritual beings, but men.

The little horn person goes through 5 stages (highlighted on the chart in blue) on his path to his detruction. One of the stages is that of being the Antichrist.


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Eph 3:10 "To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God"

Don't you believe in heavenly principalities?
I agree that men will be antichrists on earth, but I believe man's greatest leaders against God will be under the influence of heavenly principalities and that heavenly principalities have demonic influence, mainly over certain geographic regions.

I just don't see how 1 man could fulfill all 5 stages, especially in regard to the little horn which imo doesn't reappear (1st time as Antiochus IV) in your chart until near the middle of the 70th week.

 

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No such thing as the prince of Rome.

The people of the prince that shall come will destroy the 3rd Temple that is yet to be built.

Dan 9:26 "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

The people of Titus or Romans, under the spiritual or heavenly prince of Rome, destroyed the 2nd Temple after Messiah was cut off in the 1st century.

Dan 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

The same heavenly prince of Rome that existed in the 1st century will also confirm a 7-year covenant in the future. At that time, the 3rd Temple will be rebuilt.

Under the influence of the heavenly prince of Rome, animal sacrifice that will have been reestablished at the time of the 3rd Temple will cease. However, imo the person who causes that future animal sacrifice to cease will not be the person who confirms the covenant. The person who causes that future animal sacrifice to cease will arise to power under the influence of the heavenly prince of Greece, likely from the old region of Assyria.

 

[6 Stories]

The "god of fortresses" is could very well be Islam/Allah/Mohammud

a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up."

When we add "fierce countenance and understanding dark sentences it takes on a deeper meaning that could be Nethalim.

@TLHKAJ - What do you think?

It could very well be as the end times prophecy of Islam runs parallel to the end times view of Christianity. The difference is that the antichrist of our view is the conqueror of Islam. I haven't found a biblical link, but the countries involved at this time also align with this theory.

Dark sentences are proverbs or parables.
Proverbs 1:6 "To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings."
Psalms 49:4 "I will incline mine ear to a parable: I will open my dark saying upon the harp."

I don't have any reason to involve the Nephilim at this time.