The Bible doesn't instruct to pray to Jesus

[Lambano]

And that, my friend IS the appeal to Strawman. LOL We aren't talking about 'recognized literary form' but "the absence of Biblical instruction to pray to Jesus."

No, pay attention to the drift of the conversation. We've already exhausted that topic, and are addressing the real topic, how much honor, glory, reverence, and blessing are we obligated to give the "only-begotten" Son of God?

 

[Lambano]

No, pay attention to the drift of the conversation. We've already exhausted that topic, and are addressing the real topic, how much honor, glory, reverence, and blessing are we obligated to give the "only-begotten" Son of God?

In any case, how to assess and interpret what the author's intent and meaning was when he wrote what he wrote is always relevant to any discussion of scripture. Strict literalism can miss the intended meaning.

 

[Wrangler]

No, pay attention to the drift of the conversation. We've already exhausted that topic, and are addressing the real topic, how much honor, glory, reverence, and blessing are we obligated to give the "only-begotten" Son of God?

Strawman on top of Strawman. Nice! So, you admit the absence of Biblical instruction to pray to Jesus?

 

[PS95]

To be honest, I want to know what argument you're making for Jesus accepting worship. So far I have only seen you insist he did. Maybe he accepted worship in the sense of homage to a great prince, or leader, but not as God. No. People in the Bible didn't think Jesus was equal to God. Anyhoo, yeah I guess we each have our own perspective on things.

If you were being honest you would not have given me two contradictory excuses! First- you claimed, Jesus was not given worship just half worship /homage. There are no examples of ANY acceptable proskuneo in the NT to anyone other than God and His Son, btw.
Furthermore. Jesus explicitly declared to only give PROSKUNE0 to GOD. You conveniently ignore that!
I hear Him- the Angels heard Him- Peter heard Him---- you don't hear Him.

Next- you tried out- Well then Jesus never accepted proskuneo. Which is it, Rman? he did not receive proskuneo or He never accepted it?
you can't have both. Any you are wrong on BOTH. It is as clear as light in the day that Jesus indeed was given PROSKUNO which He declared is only for God- AND he never once rejected it, but received it. Your clock has ticked out.. time for a re-set.
The angels reject it-- and do give Him proskuneo even as a man born on earth!. Peter as a man- rejected it!
You can argue til you are blue in the face that the NT teaches 2 types of proskuneo and by doing so, you make Jesus a liar who declared that proskuneo was only for God.

Next you tried-- That kind of proskuneo is just a bow. Jesus was prostrated before and his feet grabbed- therefore just a bow is baloney. They also worshiped Him after He ascended into heaven. WHY? Why did Jesus say proskuneo is only for God? yeah- keep asking that Q.

So what is your actual argument? You want the cake and you want to eat it too. You can't say He never received proskuneo and also say he never accepted it when given it--- to ok he was given it but was only half proskuneo..
This is one word in the NT is reserved only for God- Proskuneo.- Jesus received it and never once rejected it. He is not a minister of the sin of idolatry as you also tried to insinuate! The depths you will sink to...
You just don't want that to be true. Facts are stubborn things.

IF we are only to give Proskuneo to God- why would Jesus accept what He just said was only for God? How can anyone determine the difference between proskuneo and proskuneo?!!!? Is it by using our eyes to see it was a simple bow? We already know it was not a simple bow. SO HOW?

 

[PS95]

Strawman on top of Strawman. Nice! So, you admit the absence of Biblical instruction to pray to Jesus?

Your brain has straw in it which is why you never give an answer to anyone but pass out your little clichés as if they are an actual answer. Hilarious.
Nope- there is no specific instruction that says "PRAY TO JESUS!" LOL- as GH said, there is no instruction to urinate but do you? lol You people would argue against it even if those exact words were there! The Word isn't Jesus who became flesh? Seriously? Good grief, that's some serious straw stuck in your craw. -- Example---"I came down from heaven"- JESUS 'own testimony-
UNI's-- no no that doesn't mean He came down from heaven......!!

What we do see is DEMONSTRATIONS of prayer to Jesus. That is good enough for those who don't have hardhearted strawbrains!

 

[Wrangler]

Your brain

Nope- there is no specific instruction that says "PRAY TO JESUS!" LOL

This is what passes for serious discourse to you. Sad.

If there were a thread on a topic I was not too interested in serious pursuit, I wouldn’t post personal attacks or sarcastic posts. This is how you show what Christ is doing in your life!

 

[PS95]

This is what passes for serious discourse to you. Sad.

If there were a thread on a topic I was not too interested in serious pursuit, I wouldn’t post personal attacks or sarcastic posts. This is how you show what Christ is doing in your life!

yet another example of your non answers!

 

[Wrangler]

yet another example of your non answers!

Wrong again. Just admit there is no Biblical instruction to pray to Jesus and move on from this thread - gracefully.

 

[PS95]

Wrong again. Just admit there is no Biblical instruction to pray to Jesus and move on from this thread - gracefully.

What's the point in ever attempting to dialogue with you? It's always the same. I did say it is not there in those words. So what? We see it OCURRING. Actions speak louder than words. Just as is true of Jesus accepting proskuneo is true of prayer. He accepts BOTH.
We call upon His name.
You don't want to- that's your issue.
and gracefully I do move on from YOU.