Daniel 9:25 - the messiah the prince

[TribulationSigns]

What did you write?

Funny, you brought it up and said, "You were saying the OC passed in 70AD remember?"

But the real questions is did you remember where I actually wrote it? If so, then you need to show me that actual quote, else you are considered a false witness.

The ball is in your court.

 

[grafted branch]

Listen, he is contrasting two covenants and the people belonging to those covenants.

You can’t have it both ways, you can’t say the covenant ended at the cross then argue Galatians 4:25 is referring to people who are under that covenant in 48AD.

 

[jeffweeder]

Funny, you brought it up and said, "You were saying the OC passed in 70AD remember?"

But the real questions is did you remember where I actually wrote it? If so, then you need to show me that actual quote, else you are considered a false witness.

The ball is in your court.

Why not just tell us how you interpret the destruction of the temple instead of avoiding.
Somebody said it. If it wasn't you, I apologize

 

[TribulationSigns]

Why not just tell us how you interpret the destruction of the temple instead of avoiding.
Somebody said it. If it wasn't you, I apologize

Clearly you don't remember or in denial. Move on! You need some break from this forum.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You can’t have it both ways, you can’t say the covenant ended at the cross then argue Galatians 4:25 is referring to people who are under that covenant in 48AD.

Wow! The confusion here is failing to distinguish between the legal establishment of a covenant before God and people continuing to live under a covenant "they wrongly believe is still in force."


Yes, the Old Covenant officially ended at the cross. Christ established the New Covenant through His blood (Luke 22:20; Hebrews 8:13; Hebrews 9:15). God’s covenantal judgment had already shifted. The Old Covenant was obsolete in God’s eyes, even though its earthly structures and unbelieving adherents continued in the New Testament period.

Galatians 4:25 is not saying the Old Covenant was still valid in 48 AD like you think! Paul is identifying those who remained attached to the Old Covenant system and were still in bondage to it because of their unbelief. Their continued rejection of Christ placed them in the condition of slavery represented by Hagar.

There is a difference between saying, “This covenant is still active before God,” and saying, “There are people who are still clinging to a covenant that God has already fulfilled and set aside.” A person can remain trapped in an expired system, but that does not make the system valid again. Nor your 70AD doctrine!

The same principle applies today: people can reject the New Covenant and attempt to establish their own righteousness through law, but their rejection does not resurrect the Old Covenant. Hebrews is clear: “In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away” (Hebrews 8:13).

The mistake is confusing the existence of people still in covenantal blindness with the continued existence of the covenant itself. Paul was describing their spiritual condition, not declaring that the Old Covenant remained in force after the cross.

Selah!

 

[jeffweeder]

Clearly you don't remember or in denial. Move on! You need some break from this forum.

Do you deny saying it?
ANSWER IT AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON

 

[TribulationSigns]

Do you deny saying it?

Oh please! You are playing games here. I cannot confirm or deny a statement that I never made. You claimed this to me: “You were saying the OC passed in 70AD, remember?”

Now please show me where I actually wrote that. Provide the exact quote, the context, and where it was stated.

If you can produce my words, then we can address them. But if you cannot find the quote because I never said it, then you need to acknowledge that you misrepresented my position. In other words, LIAR!

The burden of proof is on the person making the accusation. YOU! The ball is in your court. I am waiting for the evidence.

Grow up!

 

[jeffweeder]

Oh please! You are playing games here. I cannot confirm or deny a statement that I never made. You claimed this to me: “You were saying the OC passed in 70AD, remember?”

This is ridiculous.
You should know if you would say such a thing, so who is playing games.

I am done trying to discuss this with you.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I am done trying to discuss this with you.

Sounds like a good idea since you were not successful in produce evidence on what I actually said.

Good riddence.

 

[covenantee]

Sounds like a good idea since you were not successful in produce evidence on what I actually said.

Good riddence.

Meanwhile, the Judaean Christians were fleeing as Jesus had warned, and surviving.

While you were being crucified.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Meanwhile, the Judaean Christians were fleeing as Jesus had warned, and surviving.

Your reply is nothing more than speculation wrapped in sarcasm.

Show me the Scripture that says the Judaean Christians, while being filled with the Holy Spirit in the holy temple of the heart, fled because they still believed the physical temple remained God's holy dwelling. You can't, because the Bible never says that. You're reading your doctrine into the text instead of drawing your doctrine from it.sd

The New Testament repeatedly teaches that believers are God's temple (1 Corinthians 3:16-17; 6:19; Ephesians 2:19-22; 1 Peter 2:5). Christ also declared that the old temple would be left desolate (Matthew 23:38), and He identified His own body as the true temple (John 2:19-21). The entire direction of the New Covenant is away from a physical sanctuary and toward Christ and His people.

So your claim about what the Judaean Christians supposedly believed is not biblical evidence—it's conjecture. You have no verse that says they regarded the temple as still holy or that this was their reason for fleeing.

You got the wrong Judea to begin with, so look at who is being crucified, upside down, becasue you got it backward!

 

[covenantee]

Your reply is nothing more than speculation wrapped in sarcasm.

Show me the Scripture that says the Judaean Christians, while being filled with the Holy Spirit in the holy temple of the heart, fled because they still believed the physical temple remained God's holy dwelling. You can't, because the Bible never says that. You're reading your doctrine into the text instead of drawing your doctrine from it.sd

The New Testament repeatedly teaches that believers are God's temple (1 Corinthians 3:16-17; 6:19; Ephesians 2:19-22; 1 Peter 2:5). Christ also declared that the old temple would be left desolate (Matthew 23:38), and He identified His own body as the true temple (John 2:19-21). The entire direction of the New Covenant is away from a physical sanctuary and toward Christ and His people.

So your claim about what the Judaean Christians supposedly believed is not biblical evidence—it's conjecture. You have no verse that says they regarded the temple as still holy or that this was their reason for fleeing.

You got the wrong Judea to begin with, so look at who is being crucified, upside down, becasue you got it backward!

Utter nonsense.

They fled because they believed Jesus, not you.

They fled because, unlike you, they knew that Jesus was not conjecture.

They weren't hyperspiritualized gnostics.

And Jesus, whom they believed, preserved their lives.

They didn't end up like you.

How was your crucifixion?