AI as New Deity?

[JimKnox]

That's ridiculous.
Show me the Scripture that supports your nonsensical baloney.
AI is just a tool.
Just like the one in your hand you used to create that post.

 

[doctrox]

That's ridiculous.
Show me the Scripture that supports your nonsensical baloney.

Ppl react violently when their traditions are ignored or exposed.

AI is just a tool.
Just like the one in your hand you used to create that post.

It goes back even further to prohibitions against graven images and likenesses; it's about worship and idolatry. Were the animated rods of Moses and Pharaoh "just a tool"? To whom were each of those rods consecrated?

Exodus 20:4 forbids making carved idols or likenesses of things in heaven, earth, or water for worship.
Leviticus 26:1 commands the Israelites to make no idols, graven images, or stone pillars to worship.
Deuteronomy 7:25 directs believers to burn the graven images of foreign gods with fire.
Isaiah 44:9-20 explains that those who make a graven image are wasting their time because idols cannot see or help them.

A graven image is something made with man's hands. A.I. becomes more than "just a tool" when due diligence has been neglected.

 

[Rockerduck]

I found out the AI company's are buying up books from book stores and rare books from book dealers. The companies a chopping the binders off and scanning the books into the systems. Destroying all the books that are not in prints anymore so AI can have the information.

 

[Anchorite]

I found out the AI company's are buying up books from book stores and rare books from book dealers. The companies a chopping the binders off and scanning the books into the systems. Destroying all the books that are not in prints anymore so AI can have the information.

AI Companies Are Buying Antique Books, Ingesting Their Contents to Train Models, and Then Destroying Them at Incredible Scale, Even If Almost No Copies Remain

AI companies are quietly obtaining rare books, ingesting their contents, and then destroying them -- even if they're exceedingly rare.

futurism.com

 

[JimKnox]

Ppl react violently when their traditions are ignored or exposed.


It goes back even further to prohibitions against graven images and likenesses; it's about worship and idolatry. Were the animated rods of Moses and Pharaoh "just a tool"? To whom were each of those rods consecrated?

Exodus 20:4 forbids making carved idols or likenesses of things in heaven, earth, or water for worship.
Leviticus 26:1 commands the Israelites to make no idols, graven images, or stone pillars to worship.
Deuteronomy 7:25 directs believers to burn the graven images of foreign gods with fire.
Isaiah 44:9-20 explains that those who make a graven image are wasting their time because idols cannot see or help them.

A graven image is something made with man's hands. A.I. becomes more than "just a tool" when due diligence has been neglected.

Oh yes. I got sooooooooo violent because you "exposed" my tradition. Yep.
Stop embarrassing yourself.

FYI: if you are going to apply "graven images" to AI then you also need to apply it to your phone, computer AND your TV.
Oh...and do you have any family pictures in your house? Better get rid of those wicked things.

How absurd.

 

[Stumpmaster]

This is not about possession. This is about consecration. IOW, who do you look to, for the authority to do the things that you do?

To whom is A.I. consecrated? If A.I. is consecrated to Satan, then it is an accursed object, which means devils have a legal right to access those who appropriate the object. Spiritual Warfare 101.

Don't be caught in the worldwide webtrap of failing to perform due diligence just because you want the supposed benefits of the technology.


Rods becoming serpents:

And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the Lord had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent. Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents...(Exodus 7:10-11)

BOTH Moses' and Pharaoh's rods were "consecrated," but only one was Lawful:

...but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods. (Exodus 7:12).

Some amount of AI was required for me to read your post on my device . . . nothing sinful here.

 

[LoveYeshua]

I found out the AI company's are buying up books from book stores and rare books from book dealers. The companies a chopping the binders off and scanning the books into the systems. Destroying all the books that are not in prints anymore so AI can have the information.

abs sell that information as well for $$$$$

 

[Rockerduck]

abs sell that information as well for $$$$$

Can you imagine the money used to buy these books, and manuscripts, world wide? Now imagine, for the price, original bible manuscripts are destroyed, and they only information you can get is from AI. God's Word against AI. with no proof. Its like burning all the bibles, except this way there is no proof the written word of God exists. This is the end times indeed.

 

[JimKnox]

Can you imagine the money used to buy these books, and manuscripts, world wide? Now imagine, for the price, original bible manuscripts are destroyed, and they only information you can get is from AI. God's Word against AI. with no proof. Its like burning all the bibles, except this way there is no proof the written word of God exists. This is the end times indeed.

Brother, you need not fear about "Bible manuscripts " being burned or destroyed. It doesn't matter if they burn ALL of them.

There are, perhaps, a billion copies of the Bible on this planet in hundreds and hundreds of different languages.

Right here in my home, I have almost 50 Bibles. 2 or three of them are complete KJV Bibles no bigger than a deck of cards.

Even if they took ALL of my Bibles, I have enough Scripture memorized that I can lead an unbelievers to saving faith in Christ. I am sure there are thousands upon thousands like me.

So, fear not. God's hand is not shortened.

 

[Rockerduck]

Brother, you need not fear about "Bible manuscripts " being burned or destroyed. It doesn't matter if they burn ALL of them.

There are, perhaps, a billion copies of the Bible on this planet in hundreds and hundreds of different languages.

Right here in my home, I have almost 50 Bibles. 2 or three of them are complete KJV Bibles no bigger than a deck of cards.

Even if they took ALL of my Bibles, I have enough Scripture memorized that I can lead an unbelievers to saving faith in Christ. I am sure there are thousands upon thousands like me.

So, fear not. God's hand is not shortened.

I have more than 50 bibles myself. But if you can't see the end coming now, look what's happening. Over in Denmark a lady was put in prison for writing about marriage by God's word 20 yrs ago. There are laws being passed against hate speech, meaning the Gospel, in Canada. Its just at the beginning stages. China has already arrested pastors and their family and taking away their children. A photo of China's president has to be hung in the church buildings and camera's installed to monitor the speech. Next we will hold our bible up and declare God's word, and then according to AI, your bible isn't right. The Presbyterian (PCA) church will not hire a pastor unless he or she signs a paper that declares the bible is in error. lots more.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Can you imagine the money used to buy these books, and manuscripts, world wide? Now imagine, for the price, original bible manuscripts are destroyed, and they only information you can get is from AI. God's Word against AI. with no proof. Its like burning all the bibles, except this way there is no proof the written word of God exists. This is the end times indeed.

this is what they are working on, i give you an example about 15 years ago I was on a committee at a major university in Canada they wanted to get rid of most of the libraries and digitize everything, they claimed it was to save money but I am not stupid I knew long term it would be detrimental actually would destroy knowledge, imagine if they lose these databases? hackers demanding millions or they erase everything? other horrible scenarios were also exposed at several meetings, the vote was against but it was very close.

I am certain they will try again however. once all knowledge is centralized its the end of us they will have full control, its all about control, these datacenters being build everywhere are for this and full controls through digital ID, passports, medical files, and much more, lets not forget the digital money the banks are preparing to enslave us all, programmable digital money that they can block, remove from anyone 's account anytime. social credit system anyone? want to buy another steak this week well might not pass at the cash register as you might be over your limit for that week, CO2 quota topped.....we have to resist and say NO. there is a world government that has infiltrated most main countries and economies, the end is near. we are losing our freedoms bit by bit and removing books will certainly accelerate this process.

 

[Rockerduck]

Brother, you need not fear about "Bible manuscripts " being burned or destroyed. It doesn't matter if they burn ALL of them.

There are, perhaps, a billion copies of the Bible on this planet in hundreds and hundreds of different languages.

Right here in my home, I have almost 50 Bibles. 2 or three of them are complete KJV Bibles no bigger than a deck of cards.

Even if they took ALL of my Bibles, I have enough Scripture memorized that I can lead an unbelievers to saving faith in Christ. I am sure there are thousands upon thousands like me.

So, fear not. God's hand is not shortened.

I believe God protects His elect, or takes us home.

 

[Rockerduck]

this is what they are working on, i give you an example about 15 years ago I was on a committee at a major university in Canada they wanted to get rid of most of the libraries and digitize everything, they claimed it was to save money but I am not stupid I knew long term it would be detrimental actually would destroy knowledge, imagine if they lose these databases? hackers demanding millions or they erase everything? other horrible scenarios were also exposed at several meetings, the vote was against but it was very close.

I am certain they will try again however. once all knowledge is centralized its the end of us they will have full control, its all about control, these datacenters being build everywhere are for this and full controls through digital ID, passports, medical files, and much more, lets not forget the digital money the banks are preparing to enslave us all, programmable digital money that they can block, remove from anyone 's account anytime. social credit system anyone? want to buy another steak this week well might not pass at the cash register as you might be over your limit for that week, CO2 quota topped.....we have to resist and say NO. there is a world government that has infiltrated most main countries and economies, the end is near. we are losing our freedoms bit by bit and removing books will certainly accelerate this process.

I had one my buildings that is the Main Atlanta library. It was a fun place to read magazines and books. I was transfered to another facility for a year and when I came back the Library was gutted of all books and rows of computers and tables were put in. they were teaching kids to look up things on the computer instead of in books. This was in 2005.

 

[JimKnox]

I have more than 50 bibles myself. But if you can't see the end coming now, look what's happening. Over in Denmark a lady was put in prison for writing about marriage by God's word 20 yrs ago. There are laws being passed against hate speech, meaning the Gospel, in Canada. Its just at the beginning stages. China has already arrested pastors and their family and taking away their children. A photo of China's president has to be hung in the church buildings and camera's installed to monitor the speech. Next we will hold our bible up and declare God's word, and then according to AI, your bible isn't right. The Presbyterian (PCA) church will not hire a pastor unless he or she signs a paper that declares the bible is in error. lots more.

I am not unaware of the times. And I am not going to conduct my Christian life and testimony according to the headlines. I'm just not going to do that.
Also, I am not going to be chicken little. The sky is not falling and the antichrist is not on his throne just because a new technology showed up.
And frankly speaking, I really do not care about things going on in parts of the world that I have no control over. Honestly, where did Scripture tell us to fret about the goings on in the world?
We are called to preach the Gospel and make disciples. If AI as a tool can help with that then I will use it just like we use the internet.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

Many tech observers are wondering what the end game for AI is.

What is the ultimate goal for the frenzied rush to build expensive data centers for artificial intelligence?

It cannot be just a super search engine or a quick answer machine. Is there a military purpose for all these data centers? Will AI supremacy give military advantage to a nation?

One tech pundit says it is far beyond any human interests. It’s about religion. A new religion with a new god.

We already see people quoting AI responses to spiritual questions, as if AI knew all the secrets and could enlighten us about divine mysteries.

I just have to bring up previous parallels like Hal Lindsey and other authors who kept pointing to the scary tech of their day. Back when I was a kid it was supermarket barcode scanners. From the late 1970s through the 1990s a whole string of books claimed the Mark of the Beast would be some kind of barcode number tattooed on the forehead or forearm that would decide whether you could buy or sell.

Quite frankly, I’ve heard much better analysis and prediction on items connected with Islam than on the latest techno bogeyman. For example, the badges worn by Mujahideen with the Islamic creed written on them. A lot of the content of Revelation is symbolic, literary allusion, and so on.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

by the way to add some irony, I asked Grok to give me a detailed presentation of John of Damascus against Islam on the content of Revelation.

The text itself​

In On Heresies (part of his larger Fount of Knowledge / Pege Gnoseos), John of Damascus (c. 675–749) ends his catalogue of heresies with a substantial entry on Islam. He treats it as the final (100th or 101st) heresy. The opening lines are consistent across the standard translations:

“There is also the superstition of the Ishmaelites which to this day prevails and keeps people in error, being a forerunner of the Antichrist (prodromos tou Antichristou). They are descended from Ishmael, who was born to Abraham of Hagar… These used to be idolaters and worshipped the morning star and Aphrodite… From the time of Heraclius until now a false prophet named Muhammad has appeared in their midst. This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an Arian monk, devised his own heresy.”

He then summarizes the core Islamic claims as he knew them:

• One God who neither begets nor is begotten.
• Christ is the Word and Spirit of God, but a creature and a servant, born of Mary (whom he identifies as the sister of Moses and Aaron).
• The Jews tried to crucify him but only crucified his shadow/likeness; God took him up to heaven because he loved him.
• Muhammad received a book “sent down from heaven,” yet the only “witness” offered is that it came in dreams/sleep.

John’s decisive move is theological, not geopolitical. In his separate chapter on the Antichrist (Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith IV.26) he states the Johannine criterion plainly: anyone who does not confess that the Son of God came in the flesh and is perfect God and perfect man is Antichrist. Islam’s denial of the eternal Sonship and the Incarnation therefore places it, in his eyes, as a forerunner of the final Antichrist. He is not saying Muhammad is the Antichrist; he is saying the system that denies the Son is already operating in the spirit of the Antichrist and prepares the way.

Historical weight​

John is writing as a Melkite Christian who grew up in Damascus under the Umayyads. His family had served in the caliphal administration. He is not a distant Byzantine polemicist; he is living inside the new Islamic order. That makes his classification of Islam as a Christian heresy (rather than a wholly foreign religion) and as “forerunner of the Antichrist” particularly pointed. He is one of the earliest systematic Christian responses we possess, predating most of the later Byzantine anti-Islamic literature.

 

[doctrox]

Oh yes. I got sooooooooo violent because you "exposed" my tradition. Yep.

Indeed, you did.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Ad hominem.

FYI: if you are going to apply "graven images" to AI then you also need to apply it to your phone, computer AND your TV.

FYI: I have none of those things.

Oh...and do you have any family pictures in your house? Better get rid of those wicked things.

FYI: I have none of those things (and not because they are necessarily "wicked").

How absurd.

What's "absurd" is that you obviously have not sincerely submitted your desire to muck around with A.I. firstly and foremostly to God and then patiently waited for his answer. Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the Lord pondereth the hearts. (Pro. 21:2)

God won't prevent the consequences you will suffer as the result of your free will choice to countenance accursed objects.

Are you not familiar with sanctification? or consecration?

A.I. becomes more than "just a tool" when due diligence has been neglected.

Some amount of AI was required for me to read your post on my device . . . nothing sinful here.

You've missed the gist.

Can you imagine the money used to buy these books, and manuscripts, world wide?

Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. (Acts 19:19).

We are called to preach the Gospel and make disciples. If AI as a tool can help with that then I will use it just like we use the internet.

That "if" is the key. Again, dId you firstly and foremostly ask God if appropriating A.I. was something you should do, patiently wait for his answer, and then obey his direction?

From the OP:

Many tech observers are wondering what the end game for AI is.

A.I. is harvesting souls for Satan. A.I.'s end game is death. Elon Musk: ‘With artificial intelligence we are summoning the demon.’ - The Washington Post, 2014

 

[Stumpmaster]

You've missed the gist.

No I didn't.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Over three thousand new sites are being planned or constructed right now. That is not normal expansion. That is a gigawatt-scale infrastructure buildout that can't be justified merely by building a surveillance state.

This is what I've been saying as well. What do you think their real goal and purpose is?

 

[Rockerduck]

This is what I've been saying as well. What do you think their real goal and purpose is?

The single purpose has always been to blind people to the real God and to keep them from accepting Christ.