(The Beast) & (The Two Witnesses) Will Be On This Earth Together For 3.5 Years (Then Cometh The End)

[Truth7t7]

You did not answer the question.

If the the Woe to the inhabiters of the earth in Revelation 12:12 is not the third woe to the ihabiters of the earth - then what woe number to the inhabiterrs of the earth in Revelation 12:12 is it ?

Once Again:

I did answer the question, it's nothing more than the word "Woe" and has no association to the (Three Woes) the definition seen below is, simple, clear, easy to understand and before your eyes once again

Merriam-Webster Definition: Woe
1: a condition of deep suffering from misfortune, affliction, or grief
2: ruinous trouble : calamity, affliction

Revelation 12:12KJV
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

 

[6 Stories]

Well, you're still missing the point about the "untimely figs", which changes the order of some of what you have said.

You are right. I did not consider the untimely figs because of the logic problem I pointed out about the timing of the sun, moon, star event. This event can happen after the period of great tribulation or it can happen during the period of great tribulation, not both. To me, this needs to be resolved before any other considerations of the matter.

 

[Truth7t7]

Revelation11:16-18 is the reaction by them in heaven to Satan being cast down to earth in Revelation 12:12.

Problem is you willfully disregard that the 3rd Woe is clearly seen and identified (Third Woe) in Rev 11:14, and you falsely claim its found in Rev 12:12

Revelation 11:15-18KJV
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[Douggg]

Once Again:

I did answer the question, it's nothing more than the word "Woe" and the definition seen below, simple, clear, easy to understand and before your eyes once again

Merriam-Webster Definition: Woe
1: a condition of deep suffering from misfortune, affliction, or grief
2: ruinous trouble : calamity, affliction

Revelation 12:12KJV
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

No, you did not answer the question. The question was not what the definition of the word "woe" is.

If the the Woe to the inhabiters of the earth in Revelation 12:12 is not the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth - then what woe number to the inhabiterrs of the earth in Revelation 12:12 is it ?

Revelation 12:12 - the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth

Revelation 12:12 - the ???? woe to the inhabiters of the earth

 

[William Barton]

Hard to believe your claim made, "Heaven Is Much Like This Earth"? WOW!

Jesus Is The Lord

There is very little description of heaven in the Bible. But if we are to go there then I presume there would be oxygen, warmth, water, foliage, etc. And there are lots of people there now.

 

[Truth7t7]

No, you did not answer the question. The question was not what the definition of the word "woe" is.

If the the Woe to the inhabiters of the earth in Revelation 12:12 is not the third woe to the ihabiters of the earth - then what woe number to the inhabiterrs of the earth in Revelation 12:12 is it ?

You have been clearly answered in post #241 regarding the word "Woe" in Rev 12:12, "Next"

 

[David Lamb]

This is apocalyptic language. Hot oil was an ancient method of torture, and it is agonizing.

But hot oil was rarely used - it was too expensive. An AI overview says:

"While popular movies and TV shows frequently show medieval castle defenders pouring boiling oil on attackers, historical evidence shows that hot oil was rarely used because it was extremely expensive and a precious resource. Instead, defenders of various besieged fortifications—including ancient and medieval armies across Europe, the Middle East, and Asia—generally relied on cheaper, more abundant alternatives. When oil or fat was used, it was typically done by specific defenders in desperate circumstances or specialized naval/siege units rather than as a standard practice"

The language of Revelation 16 tells us what the results of each bowl's contents were - water turned to blood, darkness, water dried up, and so on. Not the results of pouring out bowls of hot oil.

 

[Douggg]

You have been clearly answered in post #241 regarding the word "Woe" in Rev 12:12, "Next"

No, you did not answer the question. You are evading answering the question.

 

[6 Stories]

Are you suggesting that God's throne will be literally upon this earth in the future?

Do you believe that the second coming of Jesus is (The Day Of The Lord) seen throughout scripture?

First, I apologize. I think I confused your posts with Davy.

Matt 22:44 "The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?"
Heb 12:25 "25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:"
1 Thes 4:16 " For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"

I am suggesting that God's throne will be literally upon this earth in the future and that it was upon Mt Sinai in the past. Whoever refuses to come to God when he calls from heaven (trump of God) will not escape the judgment that comes when his throne is on the Mount of Olives.

The "Day of the Lord" is always about judgment and there are several Days of the Lord throughout scripture. Therefore, I try not to use this term. There will be judgment during the second coming of Jesus, so this general time (not limited to 1 day) will be a "Day of the Lord."

 

[6 Stories]

No, I don't. And you have never read me having said such a thing. Jesus comes to end... the "great tribulation", on the "last day" of this world when the resurrection happens.



No, I do not. Again, you've never read me saying that.

You are making false assumptions. Signs appear just prior to Christ's coming. You need to read what I actually wrote.

Rev 6:12-14 "12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together;

Matt 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

I thought you agreed that the signs in bold above were the same signs. Do you?
Matt 24:29 states that these signs will be seen after the great tribulation. Do you agree that these signs will be seen after the great tribulation or due you believe that they will occur during the great tribulation? It has to be one or the other, not both.

 

[William Barton]

But hot oil was rarely used - it was too expensive. An AI overview says:

IMO:
Hot-oil torture is not used during the tribulation, rather "bowl of hot oil" is symbolic of the intensity of the tribulation "bowl" judgments.

Otherwise I do not see why a simple "bowl" would represent severe suffering.

 

[6 Stories]

No, I did ignore anything. When Satan is cast down to earth (in Revelation 12:12), he will be the star that John saw in Revelation 9:1 fall from (the second) heaven that will open the bottomless pit and releases the flesh tormenting locust creatures.


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Is Satan still reigning over the earth during this time of woe or has God intervened?

Rev 11:16-18 "16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

IMO God the Father intervenes at the end of the period of great tribulation to bring an end to Satan's power on earth. Satan and his armies are still on earth at that time. I don't believe Jesus returns on the last day of the great tribulation. God only begins to pour out his wrath on Satan and his armies the moment God takes power. This wrath consists of 7 bowl judgments found in Rev 16. The symbol of the throne of God on earth (voices, thunders, lightnings, earthquake) is not shown until the 7th of those bowl judgments, meaning days have passed since they began at the end of the great tribulation. Jesus follows God the Father to earth.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No. It says IN.

I'll ask you something too. Does Jesus use fire to kill anyone in any part of Rev 19?

Revelation 19:11-21 is described with symbolism. Unless you think He will be literally destroying people with a literal sword that literally comes out of His literal mouth? The literal description of the destruction is found in passages like Luke 17:29-30, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, 2 Peter 3:10-12 and Revelation 20:9 and those clearly indicated that it will be by fire.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Revelation11:16-18 is the reaction by them in heaven to Satan being cast down to earth in Revelation 12:12.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

This is utterly ridiculous and a complete figment of your imagination. You are trying to relate unrelated verses, as you so often do. This results in you having beliefs all to yourself that literally no one else in the world agrees with.

 

[William Barton]

Is Satan still reigning over the earth during this time of woe or has God intervened?

"Be sober, be watchful, your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour." (1Peter 5:8). This roaring (not reigning) will continue until the return if Jesus (see Revelation 19:11-20:3).

This roaming (not reigning) will continue until the return of Jesus (see Revelation 19:11-20:3).

 

[Truth7t7]

I am suggesting that God's throne will be literally upon this earth in the future and that it was upon Mt Sinai in the past. Whoever refuses to come to God when he calls from heaven (trump of God) will not escape the judgment that comes when his throne is on the Mount of Olives.

I strongly disagree, this present earth will be dissolved by the Lord's fire at his return in final judgement 2 Peter 3:10, Luke 17:29-30

The "Day of the Lord" is always about judgment and there are several Days of the Lord throughout scripture.

I strongly disagree, there is one future day of the Lord and it takes place at the Lord's future second coming

 

[William Barton]

But hot oil was rarely used - it was too expensive. An AI overview says:

"While popular movies and TV shows frequently show medieval castle defenders pouring boiling oil on attackers, historical evidence shows that hot oil was rarely used because it was extremely expensive and a precious resource. Instead, defenders of various besieged fortifications—including ancient and medieval armies across Europe, the Middle East, and Asia—generally relied on cheaper, more abundant alternatives. When oil or fat was used, it was typically done by specific defenders in desperate circumstances or specialized naval/siege units rather than as a standard practice"

The language of Revelation 16 tells us what the results of each bowl's contents were - water turned to blood, darkness, water dried up, and so on. Not the results of pouring out bowls of hot oil.

"Wrath poured out" is a metaphor, indicating "severe wrath."
In Revelation chapter 16:
o. Foul and evil sores (v. 2)
o. Sea like blood (v. 3)
o. Rivers like blood (v. 4)
o. Scorching sun (v. 8)
o. Darkness (v. 10)
o. Euphrates dried up (v. 12)
o. Babylon split, cities fell (v. 13)

 

[ScottA]

Revelation 13:5KJV (The Beast)
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Revelation 11:3KJV (The Two Witnesses)
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Scripture teaches that armies surrounding a future Jerusalem will be a sign that Daniel's AOD is near Luke 21:20, this AOD will start the future 3.5 year great tribulation in the Antichrist proclaiming to be God-Messiah in Jerusalem 2 Thess 2:3-4

(The Beast) and (The Two Witnesses) will be on this earth in Jerusalem during the same time frame of 3.5 years, the two prophets returned will bring all plagues upon the wicked world so often as they will, as the Holy Spirit sealed Church is protected Rev 9:4, Eph 1:13, 4:30, a good description of these plagues can be seen in Rev 16:1-11, its going to be a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt as the two prophets representing God will torment the unsaved wicked world

When the two prophets have finished their work on earth (The Beast) will kill them, their dead bodies will lay in a literal Jerusalem street for 3.5 days as a wicked world watches in celebration, because the plagues brought by them tormented the world, after this 3.5 days they will be raised from the dead as God lifts them to heaven before the world watching

After the two prophets are raised to heaven (The Same Hour) the great earthquake takes place as the 2nd woe is fulfilled, the 3rd woe comes even quicker in the 7th Angel/Trump sounding as the second coming of the Lord Jesus takes place in final judgement Rev 11:18 (Then Cometh The End)

Conclusion: From the time (The Beast) kills the (Two Witnesses) until the time the 7th trump is blown will be a matter of about 4 days

(The Beast) & (The Two Witnesses) will be on this earth for the same time frame of 3.5 years as clearly shown, simple, clear, easy to understand, (3.5 days + 1 hour + quickly = Roughly 4 days) = (The Last Day) The End

Jesus Is The Lord

Revelation 11:1-19KJV
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

I have bypassed this, but there comes a time for spirit and truth.

The above is not spirit a truth, it is man's understanding according to the times and terms of this [fallen] world. So, yes, whoever wants to believe it as such certainly can, that has been the way it has been now for a long time. But again, it is written, "the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth" (John 4:23". Those are the two choices.

When He, the Spirit of truth, has come, how will you be lead--by the understanding of men, or the Spirit of God?

The difference in those two opposing ways, is a matter of translating and understanding the terms according to God's terms or man's worldly terms. From God's perspective and according to His terms, He has established in the scriptures, "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little" a conclusion far different that the one stated above in the original post. Which began with 7 times given in the days of creation as God making good His promise, saying, "new things I declare; Before they spring forth I tell you of them.” Then in Daniel, by an angel of the Lord, elaborates the 7 times, saying the whole matter comes during, "a time times and half a time" further elaborated by breaking it all down to 70 weeks. Ten times, meaning: all (according to the count of men, made in the image of God), and yet it all refers to the same "time times and half a time", which is to say 7 times, made up of two half times of 3 1/2.

That, very simply from scripture, is God's explanation of the times.

Man, on the other hand, is prone to thinking in literal or worldly terms and times, rather than the looking at the bigger picture...and then of course, pushing whatever they don't clearly understand off to support a false future fulfillment doctrine. And we need to remember John said above in John 4:23--not future, but "now is."

In that very simple frame given by God, the two witnesses are "the Jew first and also for the Greek (gentile)" and or "the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual" each as one man "one new man from the two" in Christ (Ephesians 2:15).

But like I said, if you don't want to follow along "precept upon precept" etc...that's your choice.

 

[William Barton]

I strongly disagree, this present earth will be dissolved by the Lord's fire at his return in final judgement 2 Peter 3:10, Luke 17:29-30

IMO:

o "Earth dissolved" (2Peter 3:10) occurs after the millennium.

o See Revelation chapters 21, 22 for details.

 

[Douggg]

Is Satan still reigning over the earth during this time of woe or has God intervened?

Satan has never reigned over the earth, i.e. controlled it. But he and his angels have tried to influence the affairs of men to get them to be in rebellion against God.

God is going to bring Satan and his angels activities to an end. When Satan and his angels are cast down to earth in the third woe, their time left for their activities will be short - a time/times/half time, roughly 3 1/2 years.

Rev 11:16-18 "16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

Those verses above are the rejoicing reaction by them in heaven, to Satan and his angels being cast down to earth, their time coming to a close. See what it says at the start of Revelation 12:12 ?

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.