(The Beast) & (The Two Witnesses) Will Be On This Earth Together For 3.5 Years (Then Cometh The End)

[Truth7t7]

You did not answer the question.

If the the Woe to the inhabiters of the earth in Revelation 12:12 is not the third woe to the ihabiters of the earth - then what woe number to the inhabiterrs of the earth in Revelation 12:12 is it ?

Once Again:

I did answer the question, it's nothing more than the word "Woe" and has no association to the (Three Woes) the definition seen below is, simple, clear, easy to understand and before your eyes once again

Merriam-Webster Definition: Woe
1: a condition of deep suffering from misfortune, affliction, or grief
2: ruinous trouble : calamity, affliction

Revelation 12:12KJV
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

 

[6 Stories]

Well, you're still missing the point about the "untimely figs", which changes the order of some of what you have said.

You are right. I did not consider the untimely figs because of the logic problem I pointed out about the timing of the sun, moon, star event. This event can happen after the period of great tribulation or it can happen during the period of great tribulation, not both. To me, this needs to be resolved before any other considerations of the matter.

 

[Truth7t7]

Revelation11:16-18 is the reaction by them in heaven to Satan being cast down to earth in Revelation 12:12.

Problem is you willfully disregard that the 3rd Woe is clearly seen and identified (Third Woe) in Rev 11:14, and you falsely claim its found in Rev 12:12

Revelation 11:15-18KJV
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[Douggg]

Once Again:

I did answer the question, it's nothing more than the word "Woe" and the definition seen below, simple, clear, easy to understand and before your eyes once again

Merriam-Webster Definition: Woe
1: a condition of deep suffering from misfortune, affliction, or grief
2: ruinous trouble : calamity, affliction

Revelation 12:12KJV
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

No, you did not answer the question. The question was not what the definition of the word "woe" is.

If the the Woe to the inhabiters of the earth in Revelation 12:12 is not the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth - then what woe number to the inhabiterrs of the earth in Revelation 12:12 is it ?

Revelation 12:12 - the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth

Revelation 12:12 - the ???? woe to the inhabiters of the earth

 

[William Barton]

Hard to believe your claim made, "Heaven Is Much Like This Earth"? WOW!

Jesus Is The Lord

There is very little description of heaven in the Bible. But if we are to go there then I presume there would be oxygen, warmth, water, foliage, etc. And there are lots of people there now.

 

[Truth7t7]

No, you did not answer the question. The question was not what the definition of the word "woe" is.

If the the Woe to the inhabiters of the earth in Revelation 12:12 is not the third woe to the ihabiters of the earth - then what woe number to the inhabiterrs of the earth in Revelation 12:12 is it ?

You have been clearly answered in post #241 regarding the word "Woe" in Rev 12:12, "Next"

 

[David Lamb]

This is apocalyptic language. Hot oil was an ancient method of torture, and it is agonizing.

But hot oil was rarely used - it was too expensive. An AI overview says:

"While popular movies and TV shows frequently show medieval castle defenders pouring boiling oil on attackers, historical evidence shows that hot oil was rarely used because it was extremely expensive and a precious resource. Instead, defenders of various besieged fortifications—including ancient and medieval armies across Europe, the Middle East, and Asia—generally relied on cheaper, more abundant alternatives. When oil or fat was used, it was typically done by specific defenders in desperate circumstances or specialized naval/siege units rather than as a standard practice"

The language of Revelation 16 tells us what the results of each bowl's contents were - water turned to blood, darkness, water dried up, and so on. Not the results of pouring out bowls of hot oil.

 

[Douggg]

You have been clearly answered in post #241 regarding the word "Woe" in Rev 12:12, "Next"

No, you did not answer the question. You are evading answering the question.

 

[6 Stories]

Are you suggesting that God's throne will be literally upon this earth in the future?

Do you believe that the second coming of Jesus is (The Day Of The Lord) seen throughout scripture?

First, I apologize. I think I confused your posts with Davy.

Matt 22:44 "The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?"
Heb 12:25 "25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:"
1 Thes 4:16 " For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"

I am suggesting that God's throne will be literally upon this earth in the future and that it was upon Mt Sinai in the past. Whoever refuses to come to God when he calls from heaven (trump of God) will not escape the judgment that comes when his throne is on the Mount of Olives.

The "Day of the Lord" is always about judgment and there are several Days of the Lord throughout scripture. Therefore, I try not to use this term. There will be judgment during the second coming of Jesus, so this general time (not limited to 1 day) will be a "Day of the Lord."

 

[6 Stories]

No, I don't. And you have never read me having said such a thing. Jesus comes to end... the "great tribulation", on the "last day" of this world when the resurrection happens.



No, I do not. Again, you've never read me saying that.

You are making false assumptions. Signs appear just prior to Christ's coming. You need to read what I actually wrote.

Rev 6:12-14 "12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together;

Matt 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

I thought you agreed that the signs in bold above were the same signs. Do you?
Matt 24:29 states that these signs will be seen after the great tribulation. Do you agree that these signs will be seen after the great tribulation or due you believe that they will occur during the great tribulation? It has to be one or the other, not both.

 

[William Barton]

But hot oil was rarely used - it was too expensive. An AI overview says:

IMO:
Hot-oil torture is not used during the tribulation, rather "bowl of hot oil" is symbolic of the intensity of the tribulation "bowl" judgments.

Otherwise I do not see why a simple "bowl" would represent severe suffering.

 

[6 Stories]

No, I did ignore anything. When Satan is cast down to earth (in Revelation 12:12), he will be the star that John saw in Revelation 9:1 fall from (the second) heaven that will open the bottomless pit and releases the flesh tormenting locust creatures.


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Is Satan still reigning over the earth during this time of woe or has God intervened?

Rev 11:16-18 "16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

IMO God the Father intervenes at the end of the period of great tribulation to bring an end to Satan's power on earth. Satan and his armies are still on earth at that time. I don't believe Jesus returns on the last day of the great tribulation. God only begins to pour out his wrath on Satan and his armies the moment God takes power. This wrath consists of 7 bowl judgments found in Rev 16. The symbol of the throne of God on earth (voices, thunders, lightnings, earthquake) is not shown until the 7th of those bowl judgments, meaning days have passed since they began at the end of the great tribulation. Jesus follows God the Father to earth.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No. It says IN.

I'll ask you something too. Does Jesus use fire to kill anyone in any part of Rev 19?

Revelation 19:11-21 is described with symbolism. Unless you think He will be literally destroying people with a literal sword that literally comes out of His literal mouth? The literal description of the destruction is found in passages like Luke 17:29-30, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, 2 Peter 3:10-12 and Revelation 20:9 and those clearly indicated that it will be by fire.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Revelation11:16-18 is the reaction by them in heaven to Satan being cast down to earth in Revelation 12:12.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

This is utterly ridiculous and a complete figment of your imagination. You are trying to relate unrelated verses, as you so often do. This results in you having beliefs all to yourself that literally no one else in the world agrees with.

 

[William Barton]

Is Satan still reigning over the earth during this time of woe or has God intervened?

"Be sober, be watchful, your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour." (1Peter 5:8).

This roaming (not reigning) will continue until the return of Jesus (see Revelation 19:11-20:3).

 

[Truth7t7]

I am suggesting that God's throne will be literally upon this earth in the future and that it was upon Mt Sinai in the past. Whoever refuses to come to God when he calls from heaven (trump of God) will not escape the judgment that comes when his throne is on the Mount of Olives.

I strongly disagree, this present earth will be dissolved by the Lord's fire at his return in final judgement 2 Peter 3:10, Luke 17:29-30

The "Day of the Lord" is always about judgment and there are several Days of the Lord throughout scripture.

I strongly disagree, there is one future day of the Lord and it takes place at the Lord's future second coming