Daniel 9:25 - the messiah the prince

[IndianaRob]

You guys won't let go of that error - even after the LORD Jesus Christ gave the understanding of Daniel.

I’m only saying that the Lord sent the armies. The Lord was not the prince.

 

[David in NJ]

I’m only saying that the Lord sent the armies. The Lord was not the prince.

AGREE

God gave Jerusalem and the Jewish people about 40 years after the Resurrection to hear the Gospel and repent = they said "no"

 

[Truth7t7]

Dispensational futurism is false. The Christians in Judea fled to the mountains before Jerusalem and the buildings of the second temple were destroyed just as Jesus warned them to do.


Yes, He is. At least you have that right.

The events mentioned above in 70AD didn't fulfill one word in Matthew Chapter 24

Reformed Peterism takes the symbolic temple destruction in Matthew24:2 and interprets it as a literal destruction in 70AD, and the literal second coming in Matthew24:29-31 as a symbolic

The temple being destroyed in Matthew 24:2 was symbolic of the Lord's death and resurrection, and yes his disciples remembered what he had said about the temples destruction

At the death of Jesus Christ, the veil in the temple was rent, the temple was symbolically destroyed, and after the resurrection this temple was replaced, by the body of Jesus Christ

Matthew 27:50:51KJV
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

 

[David in NJ]

The events mentioned above in 70AD didn't fulfill one word in Matthew Chapter 24

Reformed Peterism takes the symbolic temple destruction in Matthew24:2 and interprets it as a literal destruction in 70AD, and the literal second coming in Matthew24:29-31 as a symbolic

The temple being destroyed in Matthew 24:2 was symbolic of the Lord's death and resurrection, and yes his disciples remembered what he had said about the temples destruction

At the death of Jesus Christ, the veil in the temple was rent, the temple was symbolically destroyed, and after the resurrection this temple was replaced, by the body of Jesus Christ

Matthew 27:50:51KJV
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

The destruction of the Temple fulfilled by JESUS Prophecy = Matthew 24:1-2

Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. 2And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

 

[Truth7t7]

The destruction of the Temple fulfilled by JESUS Prophecy = Matthew 24:1-2

Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. 2And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

(Destroy This Temple) But He Spake Of The Temple Of His Body

The Prophecy in Matthew 24:1-2 was fulfilled in the Lord's death and resurrection, some 37 years prior to the 70AD destruction

The temple being destroyed in Matthew 24:2 was symbolic of the Lord's death and resurrection, and yes his disciples remembered what he had said about the temples destruction

At the death of Jesus Christ, the veil in the temple was rent, the temple was symbolically destroyed, and after the resurrection this temple was replaced, by the body of Jesus Christ

Matthew 27:50:51KJV
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

(Destroy This Temple) But He Spake Of The Temple Of His Body

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

 

[David in NJ]

The Prophecy in Matthew24:1-2 was fulfilled in the Lord's death and resurrection, some 37 years prior to the 70AD destruction

The temple being destroyed in Matthew 24:2 was symbolic of the Lord's death and resurrection, and yes his disciples remembered what he had said about the temples destruction

At the death of Jesus Christ, the veil in the temple was rent, the temple was symbolically destroyed, and after the resurrection this temple was replaced, by the body of Jesus Christ

Matthew 27:50:51KJV
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

YES, i AGREE about the John 2:19-22 where JESUS speaks of the Temple of His Body

JESUS is no longer referencing His Body in Matthew 24:1-2

JESUS CLEARLY Said to His disciples while they were POINTING to the Temple buildings.

As Jesus left the temple and was walking away, His disciples came up to Him to point out its buildings.

2“Do you see all these things?” He replied. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

 

[Truth7t7]

YES, i AGREE about the John 2:19-22 where JESUS speaks of the Temple of His Body

JESUS is no longer referencing His Body in Matthew 24:1-2

JESUS CLEARLY Said to His disciples while they were POINTING to the Temple buildings.

As Jesus left the temple and was walking away, His disciples came up to Him to point out its buildings.

2“Do you see all these things?” He replied. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

Yes Jesus was standing before the temple in Jerusalem

Yes Jesus stated (Destroy This Temple)

Yes the Jews believed it was the literal temple of stone that they were standing before, just as you do

Yes the interpretation was given for the temple of stone being destroyed, and it was the Temple in the Lord's body

Simple, clear, easy to understand, before your eyes

(Destroy This Temple) But He Spake Of The Temple Of His Body

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

We Disagree

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[CTK]

Yes Jesus was standing before the temple in Jerusalem

Yes Jesus stated (Destroy This Temple)

Yes the Jews believed it was the literal temple of stone that they were standing before, just as you do

Yes the interpretation was given for the temple of stone being destroyed, and it was the Temple in the Lord's body

Simple, clear, easy to understand, before your eyes

(Destroy This Temple) But He Spake Of The Temple Of His Body

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

We Disagree

Jesus Is The Lord

I would ask that you might go back and read post # 271 and # 272.

 

[jeffweeder]

Yes Jesus was standing before the temple in Jerusalem

Yes Jesus stated (Destroy This Temple)

Yes the Jews believed it was the literal temple of stone that they were standing before, just as you do

Yes the interpretation was given for the temple of stone being destroyed, and it was the Temple in the Lord's body

Jesus had already raised the Temple of his body long before the Physical temple was destroyed.
I doubt very much the Disciples saw any fulfillment of Matt 24 when Jesus was actually raised from the dead.

They were to flee the city before the impending destruction of the temple in Matt 24, yet Jesus instructed his disciples to stay in the city after his death until Pentecost and beyond to take the Gospel to the whole world.
Clearly not talking about the same event as raising the true temple of his body in 3 days.


Happy birthday Tribulation signs....

 

[claninja]

I am not saying that Paul cannot use the woman imagery in the New Covenant era.

You literally said that in a previous post. You said “the old covenant woman representation cannot brought into new covenant times.”

If that’s not what you meant, then just say so.

My point is that the covenant represented by the woman changes at the Cross.

That’s not what you originally said, and that’s completely different than saying ‘the old covenantal woman representation cannot be brought into new covenant times’.

The woman associated with the present Jerusalem

What is “the present Jerusalem”?

The woman is not permanently locked to the Old Covenant. Rather, the woman is the covenant-community representation, and her covenantal identity is determined by which covenant she represents.

This is clearly an AI word salad. “The woman is not locked to the old covenant” but “her covenantal identity is determined by which covenant she represents” ???? What???? That means absolutely nothing.

ChatGPT?? LOL.

Yea, a lot of your language style has changed recently. It’s now similar to when Davidpt uses AI to respond. I have no problem with utilizing AI in order to better format or articulate a response, but you need to proofread and edit it, clearly you haven’t.

Are you not using AI?

I think I have explained this enough that you don't like to hear.

Again make sure to proofread and supply entire contextual argument to the AI.

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus had already raised the Temple of his body long before the Physical temple was destroyed.
I doubt very much the Disciples saw any fulfillment of Matt 24 when Jesus was actually raised from the dead.

They were to flee the city before the impending destruction of the temple in Matt 24, yet Jesus instructed his disciples to stay in the city after his death until Pentecost and beyond to take the Gospel to the whole world.
Clearly not talking about the same event as raising the true temple of his body in 3 days.


Happy birthday Tribulation signs....

i love simple Bible Truth deduction

 

[claninja]

Yes Jesus was standing before the temple in Jerusalem

Yes Jesus stated (Destroy This Temple)

Yes the Jews believed it was the literal temple of stone that they were standing before, just as you do

Yes the interpretation was given for the temple of stone being destroyed, and it was the Temple in the Lord's body

Simple, clear, easy to understand, before your eyes

(Destroy This Temple) But He Spake Of The Temple Of His Body

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

We Disagree

Jesus Is The Lord

In John 2, how do you know that Jesus is talking about his body and not the physical temple?

 

[David Lamb]

In John 2, how do you know that Jesus is talking about his body and not the physical temple?

I know because John 2:21 says:

(Joh 2:21 NKJV) But He was speaking of the temple of His body.

 

[claninja]

I know because John 2:21 says:

(Joh 2:21 NKJV) But He was speaking of the temple of His body.

I agree. We know Christ is talking about his body because the John tells us. So @Truth7t7 where does Matthew tell us in chapter 24 that he is talking about his body?

 

[Truth7t7]

I agree. We know Christ is talking about his body because the John tells us. So @Truth7t7 where does Matthew tell us in chapter 24 that he is talking about his body?

John 2:19-22 clearly tells the reader the temple to be destroyed is the Lord's body, simple, and easy to understand

Yes Jesus was standing before the temple in Jerusalem

Yes Jesus stated (Destroy This Temple)

Yes the Jews believed it was the literal temple of stone that they were standing before, just as you do

Yes the interpretation was given for the temple of stone being destroyed, and it was the Temple in the Lord's body

Simple, clear, easy to understand, before your eyes

(Destroy This Temple) But He Spake Of The Temple Of His Body

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[jeffweeder]

(Destroy This Temple) But He Spake Of The Temple Of His Body

On that occasion he did

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Jesus Is The Lord

What they remembered was him being raised after 3 days. They understood better his relation to the temple.

Doesn't negate the fact that Jesus could explain the brick temples demise, especially when the disciples were asking about those magnificent stones. Jesus didn't mention anything to them about his body but simply answered their simple question that it would be destroyed and the people exiled for rejecting him. It all came true 40 years later.

 

[Truth7t7]

On that occasion he did

What they remembered was him being raised after 3 days. They understood better his relation to the temple.

Doesn't negate the fact that Jesus could explain the brick temples demise, especially when the disciples were asking about those magnificent stones. Jesus didn't mention anything to them about his body but simply answered their simple question that it would be destroyed and the people exiled for rejecting him. It all came true 40 years later.

We Disagree

Gid Jesus Christ clearly explained the temple to be destroyed was his body, and not a temple of stone in Jerusalem, there is two different meanings of the temple being destroyed as you believe and teach, Matthew Chapter 24 saw no fulfillment in Jerusalems destruction in 70AD

 

[jeffweeder]

We Disagree

Gid Jesus Christ clearly explained the temple to be destroyed was his body, and not a temple of stone in Jerusalem, there is two different meanings of the temple being destroyed as you believe and teach, Matthew Chapter 24 saw no fulfillment in Jerusalems destruction in 70AD

2 different meanings supported by 2 different sets of instructions. See post 329...,

Jesus had already raised the Temple of his body long before the Physical temple was destroyed.
I doubt very much the Disciples saw any fulfillment of Matt 24 when Jesus was actually raised from the dead.

They were to flee the city before the impending destruction of the temple in Matt 24, yet Jesus instructed his disciples to stay in the city after his death until Pentecost and beyond to take the Gospel to the whole world.
Clearly not talking about the same event as raising the true temple of his body in 3 days.

 

[Truth7t7]

2 different meanings supported by 2 different sets of instructions. See post 329...,

Jesus had already raised the Temple of his body long before the Physical temple was destroyed.
I doubt very much the Disciples saw any fulfillment of Matt 24 when Jesus was actually raised from the dead.

They were to flee the city before the impending destruction of the temple in Matt 24, yet Jesus instructed his disciples to stay in the city after his death until Pentecost and beyond to take the Gospel to the whole world.
Clearly not talking about the same event as raising the true temple of his body in 3 days.

We've run around the bush a coupletimes already, I Disagree with your interpretation

The temple to be destroyed was the Lord's body and not a temple of stone as the Jews believed as they stood before the temple of stone

We Disagree, It's All Yours

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

John 2:19-22 clearly tells the reader the temple to be destroyed is the Lord's body, simple, and easy to understand

Yes Jesus was standing before the temple in Jerusalem

Yes Jesus stated (Destroy This Temple)

Yes the Jews believed it was the literal temple of stone that they were standing before, just as you do

Yes the interpretation was given for the temple of stone being destroyed, and it was the Temple in the Lord's body

Simple, clear, easy to understand, before your eyes

(Destroy This Temple) But He Spake Of The Temple Of His Body

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Jesus Is The Lord

You were asked to show how the above has any relation to what is written in Matthew 24:1-2. Can you do that? No one asked you to quote John 2:19-22 again. They're asking you to show how you come to the conclusion that John 2:19-22 is about the same thing as Matthew 24:1-2 (Mark 13:1-2, Luke 21:5-6).