Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

[amigo de christo]

Jesus speaking with Nicodemus in John chapter 3 is only recorded in the Gospel of John

and what did JESUS say to this nicodemus . The flesh profits NOTHING
ye must be born again .
So being b orn a jew or a gentile is not what saves one or can even profit them .
ONLY JESUS saves and for to be saved YE MUST BELIEVE ON HIM .
For even the apostel john later wrote in his letter
Those who Believe Jesus is the Christ are the born again of GOD ALL MIGHTY .
The one true people of GOD are THOSE WHOSE FAITH BE IN GOD and THUS WOULD HAVE BEEN IN HIS CHRIST .
No man who is born again calls upon any other god , no muslim , no hindu , no whaterver do .
THEY were called OUT OF DARKNESS and do not remain IN darkness as all other religoins are of the darkness .
And all unbeleivers , no matter what flesh suit they were born in , they will have their part in the lake of fire .
But unto all who do call upon HIS LOVELY NAME b elieving in HIM and loving his words .
WELL they his sheep and they have eternal life .
Though hated and despised by this ever growing inclusive world the sheep will surely be my friend .
What began as a massive ecumeincal movement of inclusion of delusion
will soon b ecome COVERT or die under the crusade phase that will surely begin
and be enforced and enpowered by THE AI digital system wherein An image can surely SPEAK
and surely cause that as all who would not worship the inclusive god , the beast to b e killed .
AI can route any conversation one has RIGHT TO a data base and right too any police station round the world .
And then cometh the i heard a rapping and a tapping on my chamber door
and it aint no raven , it be men dressed in the black attire of a raven
with guns at the ready and a message that says , OPEN UP you have been deemed a potential terroist .
NOW YOU GO and read rev thirteen again . OH it is at the door my friend . Our betrayal is at the door .

 

[amigo de christo]

He actually does defeat Satan, and he also rebukes Satan by the Lord God's power
Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 12 - New King James Version

The Woman, the Child, and the Dragon - Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth. And another sign appeared in heaven: behold...

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7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they [a]did not prevail, nor was a place found for [b]them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

And he had power to give LIFE unto the image of the beast so as it could speak
and CAUSE all who worshipped not the beast and its image to be killed .
Now lets examine something here my friend .
Visualize this next scenario for it is very real indeed .
Imagine you are typing words on a screen
or perhaps having a conversation on the phone . And you type words that are deemed as non incusive , as hate
Some time passes by and you hear a rapping and a tapping on your chamber door
and it aint no Raven . its men dressed in the black attire of a raven with a message
saying , OPEN UP you have been deemed a potential terrorist
and the other person or persons you were talking too , THEY GOT the same suprise coming for them too .
NOW how is this possible . BY THE POWER OF THE AI who can produce any image that do speak
and it can route ANY message to a data base that can then route it to any police station in said area .
THAT IS THE POWER OF AI . IT can cause THE death of all who did not conform .
And it will run and be in control of the digital system . NO BUY NO SELL . it can cut anyone outta
their own bank and etc . WE are much father along my friend and the hour
of our betrayal is much closer than many do realize . the incluisive god is satan
and his ecumeinal queen IS THE HARLOT who has filled in her cup a message of fornication
and has gathered the religoins and much of christendom and the leaders of this world
TO HER . AND people bought a lie that the bible was inspired of men . AND YET LOOK real closely again
at this world and then at rev thirteen . AND YOU SEE and then notice THIS was written down
almost TWO thousand years ago . TRUTH .

 

[Marvelloustime]

And he had power to give LIFE unto the image of the beast so as it could speak
and CAUSE all who worshipped not the beast and its image to be killed .
Now lets examine something here my friend .
Visualize this next scenario for it is very real indeed .
Imagine you are typing words on a screen
or perhaps having a conversation on the phone . And you type words that are deemed as non incusive , as hate
Some time passes by and you hear a rapping and a tapping on your chamber door
and it aint no Raven . its men dressed in the black attire of a raven with a message
saying , OPEN UP you have been deemed a potential terrorist
and the other person or persons you were talking too , THEY GOT the same suprise coming for them too .
NOW how is this possible . BY THE POWER OF THE AI who can produce any image that do speak
and it can route ANY message to a data base that can then route it to any police station in said area .
THAT IS THE POWER OF AI . IT can cause THE death of all who did not conform .
And it will run and be in control of the digital system . NO BUY NO SELL . it can cut anyone outta
their own bank and etc . WE are much father along my friend and the hour
of our betrayal is much closer than many do realize . the incluisive god is satan
and his ecumeinal queen IS THE HARLOT who has filled in her cup a message of fornication
and has gathered the religoins and much of christendom and the leaders of this world
TO HER . AND people bought a lie that the bible was inspired of men . AND YET LOOK real closely again
at this world and then at rev thirteen . AND YOU SEE and then notice THIS was written down
almost TWO thousand years ago . TRUTH .

@amigo de christo

 

[CrowCross]

Based on 1 Cor 15:1-4
Confirming that King David knew, believed & trusted that :-
- Christ died for his sins
- Christ was buried for his sins
- Christ rose 3 days later
By believing & trusting ALL the above KD was then Eph 1:13 sealed & knew he could never lose the HS

Please list the OT verses that teach King David knew that

I don't think King David had a clue about the details surrounding Jesus Death. Maybe David read Isaiah 53.

King David knew there would be a savior and looked forward to that savior...in faith....just as we look back to the savior in faith.
@IndianaRob doesn't seem to understand the direction of each dispensation.

 

[CrowCross]

@amigo de christo
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This is AI if full swing.

 

[covenantee]

Several things might fit this 'restrainer' in people's minds. And how was that evil 4th kingdom a restrainer of evil, when it was an evil beast itself. Good restrains evil. Jesus said if evil is divided against itself it can not stand. Spiritual powers of wickedness dont restrain each other.

Bible Gateway passage: Daniel 7 - New King James Version

Vision of the Four Beasts - In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream and visions of his head while on his bed. Then he wrote down the dream, telling the main facts. Daniel spoke, saying, “I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven were stirring...

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7 “After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. 8 I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking [c]pompous words.

Vision of the Ancient of Days​

9 “I watched till thrones were [d]put in place,
And the Ancient of Days was seated;
His garment was white as snow,
And the hair of His head was like pure wool.
His throne was a fiery flame,
Its wheels a burning fire;
10 A fiery stream issued
And came forth from before Him.
A thousand thousands ministered to Him;
Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.
The [e]court was seated,
And the books were opened.
11 “I watched then because of the sound of the [f]pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.

Speculation.

Conversely, the consistent prescience of the ECFs and Reformers has proven accurate both Scripturally and historically.

 

[William Barton]

William, thank you for your response, but with all due respect, I would like to ask you again to answer those questions. Absolutely not wanting to be difficult, but God has indeed give us the answers to these questions and so much more... and he is not an end time actor.

William, who is he?
When does he arrive?
Where does he come from?
Where does God reveal to us everything about him?

IMO:
He is a charismatic person.
He will arise after the Jews are back in the land (already happened).
He probably is Middle-Eastern.
He is noted in Revelation as "the beast."
Another "beast," apparently a fallen angel, will support him.
"Beast" is an epithet indicating "brutality."
He does not rule the world, his influence is Middle-Eastern.
He will oversee rebuilding the Jewish temple.
He will then take his seat in it, professing to be God.
He will gather forces to the plain of Megiddo to engage Jesus.
He will loose the battle and be cast into hell (Revelation 19:20-21).

 

[CrowCross]

Another "beast," apparently a fallen angel, will support him.

I would suggest this "beast" is AI...controlled by fallen angels.

 

[IndianaRob]

I don't think King David had a clue about the details surrounding Jesus Death. Maybe David read Isaiah 53.

King David knew there would be a savior and looked forward to that savior...in faith....just as we look back to the savior in faith.
@IndianaRob doesn't seem to understand the direction of each dispensation.

Do you think when Abraham saw the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus he just kept that to himself?

 

[CrowCross]

Do you think when Abraham saw the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus he just kept that to himself?

I'm unaware that he saw the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus.

Do you have a verse that suggest that?

 

[IndianaRob]

I'm unaware that he saw the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus.

Do you have a verse that suggest that?

John 8:56
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

 

[amigo de christo]

This is AI if full swing.

and How did they prepare the nations , religoins and tribes .
WELCOME to ALL inclusive ecumeinalism .
THEY infiltrated every known denomination o man and the false religoins too .
They recreated a love god that all could support believe in and follow . AND it aint GOD at all .
And by peace , oh yes intefaith anti christ peace they will meet their END on JESUS DAY .
But will first procliam war against any and all that did not conform to the image of the inclusive love god and its peace plan .
WE GOT SET THE HECK UP years back . Seeker friendly went to work and led them into ecumeincalism
Which leads them all to intefaith of anti christ . YEAH . Satan sure can say GOD is love
and dont judge . OH BUT HOW HE GONNA TWIST IT ALL . seems many love the flesh
and have no desire for TRUTH . This generation of christendom did two great evils .
They did an evil that none ought ever to have done . They , by false sensual love of the world , UNDER THE GUISE it was OF GOD ,
led them into rebellion against THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN IN THAT BIBLE .
CANT LOVE GOD and HATE HIS WORDS . oh but many now do . OH but many now do .
And any time the scriptures are brought unto them , ITS JUDGE NOT , get thee far away hater , As they say GOD IS LOVE
KINDA ODD dont ya think . OH I KNOW GOD IS LOVE
the only problem these blind lovers of a harlots love cannot see is
THAT HAD IT bEEN the LOVE OF GOD , IT HAD NEVER rejoiced in inquity , buT ONLY IN TRUTH .
AND EVERY WORD o GOD IS TRUTH . Someone lied to them all . And sadly they chose his lie , his love
believing it to be the Love of GOD . Oh a delusion has darn sure been unleashed .

 

[William Barton]

IMO:
The Tribulation is 7 years, where "year"=360 days.
The second half is great tribulation (Matthew 24:21).

 

[CrowCross]

John 8:56
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

HIUH???? Where does it say Abraham would see Jesus die on a cross then resurrect?

 

[David in NJ]

HIUH???? Where does it say Abraham would see Jesus die on a cross then resurrect?

Can't SEE - Huh!!!

Always read beginning with prayer and ending in prayer.

Then wait.

 

[IndianaRob]

HIUH???? Where does it say Abraham would see Jesus die on a cross then resurrect?

This functions like an inside joke — those on the inside grasp the meaning immediately, while those outside it miss the point entirely.

 

[PeterAndroz]

I don't think King David had a clue about the details surrounding Jesus Death. Maybe David read Isaiah 53.

King David knew there would be a savior and looked forward to that savior...in faith....just as we look back to the savior in faith.
@IndianaRob doesn't seem to understand the direction of each dispensation.

and why the need for OT animal sacrifices then and not today ?
and why did OT believers (David) fear and/or have the HS taken from them (Saul) where that does not happen today.

 

[William Barton]

and why the need for OT animal sacrifices then and not today ?
and why did OT believers (David) fear and/or have the HS taken from them (Saul) where that does not happen today.

Jesus shed his own blood, and God the Father accepted it.

Animal sacrifices were a proxy, pointing to the sacrifice of Jesus. God Himself became a man and paid the penalty for us all.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Jesus shed his own blood, and God the Father accepted it.

Animal sacrifices were a proxy, pointing to the sacrifice of Jesus. God Himself became a man and paid the penalty for us all.

Yes animal sacrifices were required THEN but not today
Also THEN the HS was taken away from some eg Saul yet today that does not happen.
Also B4 1 Cor 15:1-4, lay hands & pray was sometimes required for believers to receive the HS but not today

 

[CrowCross]

Jesus shed his own blood, and God the Father accepted it.

Animal sacrifices were a proxy, pointing to the sacrifice of Jesus. God Himself became a man and paid the penalty for us all.

As we've been saying...a previous dispensation.