OK, you presented a verse without any commentary as to why you even posted it.
Isn't walking in the light another way of saying you're born again? You have salvation?
After your born again do you think you will never sin again?
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Isn't walking in the light another way of saying you're born again? You have salvation?
Taken
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It IS the “natural spirit of man”…which IS what God “Rebirths”.
The “natural spirit of man”…
IS that mans “Natural Thoughts, Truths, Beliefs”…..” IN HIS HEART”.
(which may or may NOT be the Same Thoughts, Truths, Beliefs in his MIND)
So, sure there ARE Scriptures About the “thoughts” in a mans (natural spirit IN his Heart)… And natural thoughts in his MIND…
Do your quoted Scriptures Apply to a man, whose SPIRIT has been Born Again?
No.
As men grow and mature, they MAKE choices regarding their Natural lives…AND Spiritual Lives.
When a man chooses to Surrender his Life unto Gods “Offerings of Forgiveness, of soul restoration, of spirit rebirth, of becoming MADE “yoked” in a one on one Forever Relationship WITH the Lord God Almighty…
That is a Permanent and Forever change IN and OF that man.
Thereafter… the Umpteen, Warning Scriptures, How to Scriptures, Damnation Scriptures, IF / Then Scriptures…. BECOME “Moot”, “Irrelevant”, “Not Applicable”.,
To man ALREADY Sanctified….
AND
ALREADY Prepared To be Redeemed On the Day your Savior Summons you TO
Wholly, body, soul, spirit Be With Him, In His Presence, and SEE Him “as He IS” Spirit.
How to Know?
Can you murder or kill or commit adultery Against God?…
Yes? Then that would be a Sin.
Against men?…
Yes? Then that would be a Trespass.
Can “Non- Sanctified Human men, (without) Gods Power/ Spirit in them?
Kill / Murder God?
Strangely yes…
How?
With ammo, knives, swords?
No.
How?
By their “natural thoughts, Heart or Mind…”
And “natural speech, from Heart or Mind…”
Believing, speaking That God does Not Exist and Gods Word IS Not True.
Satan was declared the First Murderer…
When he thought in his heart… That “he” (Satan) could have such great power, That he could Rule OVER God.
John 8:
[44] Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Lying About God and His Word, Is the Sin of Murder…
And does Not apply to they who Are Forgiven and Sanctified.
Humans are born in sin, thus require Learning and Accepting the Truth…
For forgiveness and A MAKING of restoration.
Angels were created With the Truth, and thus have no “offering of Forgiveness”, when they Lie.( Kill the Truth).
A Conjunction… combines something different… that can have ( not exact) but Similar Results.
God Created… humans… done deal.
AND THEN…
God Made… something for Every Created Human…
The Creation, is Established…
The MAKING “continues”…as human men freely, hear, learn, pick, choose, decide, take, reject…
IF they want to Accept and Take or Reject Gods Offerings…
Conjunctions…
Gen 2:
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Gen 2:
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Eph 1:
[1] And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Against God…Unbelief in God IS Sin. Turning Gods Truths into Lies is The Sin of Murder.
Against man…lies, cheating, stealing, raping, stabbing, ramming their vehicle, burning their home, killing a man, etc. are all Trespassing of man Against man.
Glory to God,
Taken
That's an unusual opinion you have.
Most Christians, including myself, would say that the murder, rape, adultery, etc against a person is exactly what a sin is.
But anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts
Taken
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What happened centuries AGO…
Was a group of men, gathered together Declaring…
“catholic”…
their Church and Brand of Christianity, was the ONLY True Christian Church.
But they fell Short “in having grasp” Teaching, Correctly;
Mary’s Role,
Faithful Mortally Dead mens Role,
Forgiveness,
Statues,
Works to Earn Salvation,
Works to Keep Salvation,
To address The Heavenly God Alone as Father,
Among other things.
Because at the Beginning of men Establishing THE Catholic Church, promoted as A Christian Church…
The majority of people Interested to hear and learn about Christianity…
We’re Illiterate!
They had no means or wherewithall, to DO as Scripture teaches…
Verify with Scripture WHATEVER you hear being preached…. Or observe being Done.
Some (literate men). Did challenge the Catholic Church’ teachings, doings…
and were Belittled, ostracized and ignored.
From that day to this day…
multiple “Churches” have been established.
Some are “yoked” with other churches…carrying the Same “name” denomination
(Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Mormon, etc.)
With each “Building”, carrying its own particular “Name and Locality”.
Some Churches, stand “independent” of all others.
Some Churches have No particular Building to gather… (On line, TV, Radio waves, Fields, stadiums, Schools, Homes, etc.)
Some have established, hired, appointed, elected Staffs, Titles, duties.
Point being… a person can choose to attend ANY “church” AND DO their own due Verifying Diligence…TO KNOW…
IF … any such “Churches” Teaching / Preaching IS verified in Scripture, IS a Truth to believe and Do…. Or Not.
Be cautious of WHAT you Hear.
Mark :4
[24] And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.
Verify WHAT you Hear.
1 Thes 5:
[21] Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Glory to God,
Taken
Taken
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And so… if a man (for example) steals from you…
He has not the responsibility to Correct his trespass Against you?
He can not ask your forgiveness?
You can not forgive his Trespass?
Have you ever been shopping pushing a cart and Bump into another?
Was that a sin?
Did you ask the other to excuse you, pardon you?
If they excused you, pardoned you…
We’re they forgiving a Sin or your Trespass?
If a man cheats on his wife…who was harmed/hurt? The Wife…Correct?
If the man asks for forgiveness? Who does he Ask… ? God? Or his Wife?
Perspective.
No man was taught to Believe in Men.
Sin is unbelief in God.
Forgiveness for Unbelief is From God.
Men forgive trespasses.
God bless you.
Glory to God,
Taken
1stCenturyLady
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Isn't 1 John 1:7 what Martin Luther was agreeing to, but for both levels of sin, same as you did in #56, not just the unintentional trespasses John was actually speaking of? Murder and Adultery are both mortal sins, not venial sins. Mortal sins are what 1 John 3:9 is speaking of per vs. 4, not venial sins that 1 John 1:7 say are cleansed automatically to those walking in the Spirit, meaning are born again of the Spirit and their sin nature is now clean, John 15:3.
Many Christians don't believe in reading our Schoolmaster which is the breakdown of sins. Like Leviticus 5:15 shows that trespasses in the Lord's Prayer are "unintentional." 2 Peter 1:5-7 shows the process of maturing in all the fruit of the Spirit.
When Jesus calls out how the Reformationists doctrine is death, it is about what they did to God's knowledge of what is sin. Believing their defiled doctrine can only bring death to those who break God's commandments believing they are already forgiven. They use this phrase "past, present and future" when dealing with all sin, when Peter only includes "past" sins. Someone truly born again have no desire to commit sins unto death. No so with the victims of false teachers.
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1stCenturyLady
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I used your first post above as the context. Your own words. Maybe you just forgot what you wrote.
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