The good man that turned bad out of necessity

[Matthias]

It was also to reclaim Christian territory from a foreign army.

Catholic territory. What does that do for you?

It's evidence that the Catholic church was willing to take action and not simply tell it's people to "just pray about it".

The primitive Christians also took action beyond to “just pray about it” -> evangelism.

Attracting new members.

I read daily of the Roman Catholic Church attracting new members.

What's being done to address it? How many offenders have been punished?

Catholic sources should be consulted for that information. How interested in pursuing it are you?

That's another way of saying it's incompatible.

Yes.

In what areas?

In all areas where you’re looking for a Christianity to match your values.

But relies on the world to protect it's members from outside threats by your own admission.

It relies on God and the Messiah to protect its members; God and the Messiah use the governments of the world as one means - not the only means - to accomplish it.

So you're not of the world, you don't like the world, but you need the world.

See above.

 

[Matthias]

@Riven you’re looking, in part, for a Christianity which kills those who seek to kill it. There are other options for you besides Catholicism.

I represent primitive Christianity, which didn’t and doesn’t kill those who seek to kill it.

 

[Matthias]

“When we refuse to see the image of God in others, we prepare our hearts for violence. Racism and genocide begin not with weapons, but with a failure to love” - Henri Nouwen

The crusaders didn’t love their enemies and their Islamic enemies didn’t love them. Do you love your enemies @Riven?

 

[Riven]

Catholic territory. What does that do for you?

Catholics aren't Christians? It's either Christian territory or it isn't.

The primitive Christians also took action beyond to “just pray about it” -> evangelism.

That's better than nothing I suppose. But it does little against an occupying force.

I read daily of the Roman Catholic Church attracting new members.

It is a lie to keep up spirits. They face significant generational attrition.

Catholic sources should be consulted for that information. How interested in pursuing it are you?

From what I've read, it's swept under the rug. The church apologizes and vows to do better, but there's no real punishment for the offender.

Yes.

Then why does this concept of Judeo-Christianity even exist?

In all areas where you’re looking for a Christianity to match your values.

That's a difficult question to answer. I suppose order is the value that I desire most. But also rationality and political realism.

It relies on God and the Messiah to protect its members; God and the Messiah use the governments of the world as one means - not the only means - to accomplish it.

Semantics.

 

[Matthias]

Catholics aren't Christians?

Catholics aren’t primitive Christians.

It's either Christian territory or it isn't.

Have you ever heard Protestants say that Catholics aren’t Christians?

That's better than nothing I suppose. But it does little against an occupying force.

The occupying force is converted. The enemies of the Messiah are made his disciples. That’s the Great Commission.

It is a lie to keep up spirits. They face significant generational attrition.

If that’s your position then forget them and their history. Look for another Christianity.

Then why does this concept of Judeo-Christianity even exist?

The concept exists because Christianity is connected with, rests upon, the Hebrew Bible. See Ephesians 2:20.

That's a difficult question to answer. I suppose order is the value that I desire most. But also rationality and political realism.

What kind of order are you alluding to? You’re looking for a Christianity that is rational and political, in addition to the value of order.

Semantics.

Scriptural facts.

 

[Matthias]

Catholics aren't Christians?

I’m neither Catholic nor Protestant.

Do you think Catholics believe that I’m a Christian?

According to scripture, who does the territory which they occupy really belong to? The answer is in the New Testament, and it is based on a prophecy found in Genesis. You’ll have to agree with Paul in order to get the right answer.

 

[Matthias]

@Riven the Catholics tortured and killed my Protestant ancestors. (The most famous incident involving my Protestant ancestors is known as Wyatt’s Rebellion.) My Protestant ancestors tortured and killed Catholics. My Anabaptist ancestors were tortured and killed by Catholics and by Protestants. My Anabaptist ancestors didn’t torture or kill Catholics and Protestants, nor did they torture and kill anyone else.

Wyatt's rebellion - Wikipedia

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