Why Christians not under the Torah

[Jack]

Acts ch26 tells us how.

We are all sinners except Jesus!

 

[dak]

My point was made = Post 71

i agree with The HOLY SPIRIT who spelled out for us specifically how Saul violated the Torah.

What Jack, (and many), do not understand is that being "blameless according to the righteousness which is in/by the law" does not mean sinless: to a Pharisee it means being blameless according to the Pharisee interpretations, teachings, commandments, statutes, injunctions, mitvot, instructions, etc., concerning the Torah, that is, about the Torah, yet that is not the Torah at all but rather their own private interpretations of the Torah, which were full of error, and leaven, and rebuked by the Master in the Gospel accounts.

Philippians 3:4-6 ASV
4 though I myself might have confidence even in the flesh: if any other man thinketh to have confidence in the flesh, I yet more:
5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 as touching zeal, persecuting the church; as touching the righteousness which is in the law, found blameless.

Because of this misunderstanding Jack, (and many), are actually rejecting the interpretations of the Torah provided by the Master himself in his all-important Testimony in the Gospel accounts, which words are Spirit and Life, (John 6:63), and they do so because when it comes to the Torah they insist on the Pharisee version and interpretations of the Torah while ignoring the true interpretations given to the Meshiah from above, from the heavens, (John 3:27-29), from the Father.

This is why Jack, being completely ignorant of both the Torah and a knowledgeable understanding of the Testimony of the Meshiah in the Gospel accounts, falsely accuses people like me of "attacking the Bible" for speaking the truth from the Bible, (the original languages which were indeed originally inspired). His hate shows exactly who he is, and where he is from, and where he is headed.

 

[David in NJ]

What Jack, (and many), do not understand is that being "blameless according to the righteousness which is in/by the law" does not mean sinless: to a Pharisee it means being blameless according to the Pharisee interpretations, teachings, commandments, statutes, injunctions, mitvot, instructions, etc., concerning the Torah, that is, about the Torah, yet that is not the Torah at all but rather their own private interpretations of the Torah, which were full of error, and leaven, and rebuked by the Master in the Gospel accounts.

Philippians 3:4-6 ASV
4 though I myself might have confidence even in the flesh: if any other man thinketh to have confidence in the flesh, I yet more:
5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 as touching zeal, persecuting the church; as touching the righteousness which is in the law, found blameless.

Because of this misunderstanding Jack, (and many), are actually rejecting the interpretations of the Torah provided by the Master himself in his all-important Testimony in the Gospel accounts, which words are Spirit and Life, (John 6:63), and they do so because when it comes to the Torah they insist on the Pharisee version and interpretations of the Torah while ignoring the true interpretations given to the Meshiah from above, from the heavens, (John 3:27-29), from the Father.

This is why Jack, being completely ignorant of both the Torah and a knowledgeable understanding of the Testimony of the Meshiah in the Gospel accounts, falsely accuses people like me of "attacking the Bible" for speaking the truth from the Bible, (the original languages which were indeed originally inspired). His hate shows exactly who he is, and where he is from, and where he is headed.

Hello dak,

BIG THANK YOU for your reply and well articulated.

i AGREE with your assessment of the error of the pharisees and how you brought forth Paul's Testimony on it.

Jack did lay down some very important aspects of Torah as well.

Let us be like GOD who said "Let Us make man in Our image according our likeness"

Let us, TOGETHER, allow GOD to Speak thru us from His Word and then submit to His Torah that Began in Genesis and Completed in teh Gospel, the Apostles writings and Finally = REVELATION.

Amen

 

[Jack]

What Jack, (and many), do not understand is that being "blameless according to the righteousness which is in/by the law" does not mean sinless: to a Pharisee it means being blameless according to the Pharisee interpretations, teachings, commandments, statutes, injunctions, mitvot, instructions, etc., concerning the Torah, that is, about the Torah, yet that is not the Torah at all but rather their own private interpretations of the Torah, which were full of error, and leaven, and rebuked by the Master in the Gospel accounts.

Philippians 3:4-6 ASV
4 though I myself might have confidence even in the flesh: if any other man thinketh to have confidence in the flesh, I yet more:
5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 as touching zeal, persecuting the church; as touching the righteousness which is in the law, found blameless.

Because of this misunderstanding Jack, (and many), are actually rejecting the interpretations of the Torah provided by the Master himself in his all-important Testimony in the Gospel accounts, which words are Spirit and Life, (John 6:63), and they do so because when it comes to the Torah they insist on the Pharisee version and interpretations of the Torah while ignoring the true interpretations given to the Meshiah from above, from the heavens, (John 3:27-29), from the Father.

This is why Jack, being completely ignorant of both the Torah and a knowledgeable understanding of the Testimony of the Meshiah in the Gospel accounts, falsely accuses people like me of "attacking the Bible" for speaking the truth from the Bible, (the original languages which were indeed originally inspired). His hate shows exactly who he is, and where he is from, and where he is headed.

Are you Christian? Don't know? Let us know when you and your fellow Torah preachers start obeying Torah and stop making up your own personal Torah to please YOU! Probably BILLIONS of humans working on weekends. How many have you and your Torah preachers executed? Jesus had a word for Torah preachers who don't obey Torah, HYPOCRITES!

Exodus 31:15 Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

 

[David in NJ]

What Jack, (and many), do not understand is that being "blameless according to the righteousness which is in/by the law" does not mean sinless: to a Pharisee it means being blameless according to the Pharisee interpretations, teachings, commandments, statutes, injunctions, mitvot, instructions, etc., concerning the Torah, that is, about the Torah, yet that is not the Torah at all but rather their own private interpretations of the Torah, which were full of error, and leaven, and rebuked by the Master in the Gospel accounts.

Philippians 3:4-6 ASV
4 though I myself might have confidence even in the flesh: if any other man thinketh to have confidence in the flesh, I yet more:
5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 as touching zeal, persecuting the church; as touching the righteousness which is in the law, found blameless.

Because of this misunderstanding Jack, (and many), are actually rejecting the interpretations of the Torah provided by the Master himself in his all-important Testimony in the Gospel accounts, which words are Spirit and Life, (John 6:63), and they do so because when it comes to the Torah they insist on the Pharisee version and interpretations of the Torah while ignoring the true interpretations given to the Meshiah from above, from the heavens, (John 3:27-29), from the Father.

This is why Jack, being completely ignorant of both the Torah and a knowledgeable understanding of the Testimony of the Meshiah in the Gospel accounts, falsely accuses people like me of "attacking the Bible" for speaking the truth from the Bible, (the original languages which were indeed originally inspired). His hate shows exactly who he is, and where he is from, and where he is headed.

Now @dak, what is your reply to the important subject matter of the satruday sabbath rest that @Jack proposed to you and Torah.

This is an extremely important Torah truth that GOD Says we must know!!!

 

[Jack]

NOBODY here obeys Torah!

Deuteronomy 13:6-10
6 "If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,' which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 7 of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, 8 you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him;
9 but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10 And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

 

[David in NJ]

NOBODY here obeys Torah!

Deuteronomy 13:6-10
6 "If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,' which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 7 of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, 8 you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him;
9 but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10 And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

i do

 

[Jack]

i do

How many have you executed?

 

[David in NJ]

How many have you executed?

No need to = God's Department of Adjustments

 

[Jack]

No need to = God's Department of Adjustments

No need to obey Torah? Utter hypocrisy! Stick with the New Covenant so you don't burn in Hell!

 

[David in NJ]

No need to obey Torah? Utter hypocrisy! Stick with the New Covenant so you don't burn in Hell!

i SAID = i obey Torah
Therefore, no need to disobey GOD for HE Alone is Both SAVIOR/REDEEMER and JUDGE

What things MUST be present for a judgment to be passed by the law of Moses?

 

[Jack]

i SAID = i obey Torah

And I said you don't!

Therefore, no need to disobey GOD for HE Alone is Both SAVIOR/REDEEMER and JUDGE

What things MUST be present for a judgment to be passed by the law of Moses?

 

[David in NJ]

And I said you don't!

GOD Says "I DO"

Haha