When Doctrine Corrects Christ

[The Gospel of Christ]

So... the NT says God's chosen people are Jews & Gentiles who follow Christ.

1 Peter 2:9–10 - Christ’s people are the "chosen race, royal priesthood and holy nation."

You ignore that as best you can.

Jew and Gentile are made “one new man” in Christ — Ephesians 2:15

You ignore that completely.

Why does unbelief apparently disqualify Gentiles from covenant standing while ethnic descent and geography continue to confer a special covenant identity on Jews who reject Christ? The New Testament does not teach a separate salvation standard where unbelieving Gentiles are condemned for rejecting Christ but unbelieving Jews are covenantally safe regardless of Christ.
Nowhere does it teach this.

If you're not riding on the Jesus bus, it doesn't matter if you're a Jew or Gentile, you're taking the express elevator to hell as you're in open rebellion to God Almighty.

So now tell me more about how Jesus is going to return to Mt Olives and judge all of "His enemies" who don't follow Him?
How does that work exactly because just about the entire country doesn't follow Him and are either secular, or let's be honest, don't really like Him that much. But He's going to be their "general and fight for them"? Against whom?!?! Enemies of the land no matter who they are?!?

If the people inside the land reject the King, what makes their geopolitical enemies automatically the King’s enemies?

Lucky Mao never conquered modern Israel. Apparently possession of the correct dirt would have transformed opposition to Chairman Mao into opposition to God.

It's completely reckless, confounded logic and totally insane.

When opposing a geopolitical state can be recast as opposing God Himself, the theology has crossed from confusion into something maximally dangerous.

 

[Jack]

So... the NT says God's chosen people are Jews & Gentiles who follow Christ.

1 Peter 2:9–10 - Christ’s people are the "chosen race, royal priesthood and holy nation."

You ignore that as best you can.

Jew and Gentile are made “one new man” in Christ — Ephesians 2:15

You ignore that completely.

Why does unbelief apparently disqualify Gentiles from covenant standing while ethnic descent and geography continue to confer a special covenant identity on Jews who reject Christ? The New Testament does not teach a separate salvation standard where unbelieving Gentiles are condemned for rejecting Christ but unbelieving Jews are covenantally safe regardless of Christ.
Nowhere does it teach this.

If you're not riding on the Jesus bus, it doesn't matter if you're a Jew or Gentile, you're taking the express elevator to hell as you're in open rebellion to God Almighty.

So now tell me more about how Jesus is going to return to Mt Olives and judge all of "His enemies" who don't follow Him?
How does that work exactly because just about the entire country doesn't follow Him and are either secular, or let's be honest, don't really like Him that much. But He's going to be their "general and fight for them"? Against whom?!?! Enemies of the land no matter who they are?!?

If the people inside the land reject the King, what makes their geopolitical enemies automatically the King’s enemies?

Lucky Mao never conquered modern Israel.. apparently possession of the right dirt would've turned opposing him into opposing God.

It's completely confounded logic and totally insane.

When opposing a geopolitical state can be recast as opposing God Himself, the theology has crossed from confusion into something maximally dangerous.

You still didn't answer my simple question. Are you aware that we are in the very last days?

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

You still didn't answer my simple question. Are you aware that we are in the very last days?

Whether we’re in the last days is irrelevant to the question.

I asked you why people who reject Christ still count as “His people,” while their geopolitical enemies automatically become “His enemies.”

“Last days” doesn't answer that.

The Messiah will return, and to whoever is in control of the land at the time, He will become what? Jesus as their personal Godzilla, destroying their geopolitical enemies even if they themselves reject Him?!?!??

Make it make sense


I’m going to need a bottle of aspirin to keep up with this inverted prophecy sorcery.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

To the lukewarm who might be confused, even if you were stranded alone on a desert island in the South Pacific, if you belong to Christ, Israel is still there.

Not because the sand became holy.

Not because you found the right coordinates.

Because the covenant people are in Christ.


And know this well.. According to God’s Word.

You could stand in Jerusalem itself and still be outside the covenant if you reject the King. - Romans 9:6; Romans 11:20–23; Galatians 3:29

 

[Jack]

Whether we’re in the last days is irrelevant to the question.

Ok, you don't know one of the most important doctrines in the Bible.

I asked you why people who reject Christ still count as “His people,” while their geopolitical enemies automatically become “His enemies.”

Why??? Why don't you ask God why He still called them "My people Israel"?

“Last days” doesn't answer that.

The Messiah will return, and to whoever is in control of the land at the time, He will become what? Jesus as their personal Godzilla, destroying their geopolitical enemies even if they themselves reject Him?!?!??

Make it make sense

You don't even know that God said He would give Israel a new heart?

I’m going to need a bottle of aspirin to keep up with this inverted prophecy sorcery.

So you don't even know we are in the very last days. Amazing! The Mark of the Beast is stalking you. Awake!

Luke 21:32
32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Anyone with a molecule of critical thinking and common sense reading this entire thread should be absolutely terrified by the death-cult logic of antichristic, Scofield-style dispensationalism. It inverts the apostolic center of Christianity by pulling covenant identity away from Christ and back toward bloodline, land, and apocalyptic nationalism. It functionally drags Christians backward into covenant categories Christ’s sacrifice fulfilled and surpassed.

 

[Jack]

Anyone who knows what Jesus said knows these are the VERY last days! God is going to clean His House!

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

^ This guy is basically saying, ‘Yes, they may currently reject Christ, but they are still prophetically My people Israel; God restored them nationally first, and He will regenerate them later.’ But the New Testament does not give unbelief that kind of covenant protection at all. Paul says branches were broken off because of unbelief and can be grafted in again only if they do not remain in unbelief. The apostolic warning is: come to Christ. Not, relax, your bloodline and geopolitical destiny will carry you until the next prophetic stage.

This INSANE, warped, dangerous doctrine that the Apostolic Fathers wouldn't even recognize as Christianity doesn’t merely distort Christian theology; it gives Jewish people a false spiritual reassurance the apostles never gave them and puts their souls in spiritual danger. If salvation and covenant life are in Christ, telling someone who rejects Christ that he nevertheless possesses a uniquely privileged covenant-national status is giving them a status the New Testament does not give.

OT promises reach their fulfillment through Christ; therefore the NT gets final say on who Abraham’s heirs are, who God’s people are, and what covenant membership means after Christ. The apostles do not teach that rejection of Christ is temporarily offset by ethnicity, territory, or prophetic nationality.

These people have been trained to reason exactly like the very people Christ was rebuking : ‘We have Abraham! We have the bloodline! We have the land! We are God’s people!’ Meanwhile, the Son of God is standing directly in the middle of the New Testament saying that covenant inheritance is determined by belonging to HIM and Him alone.

Thats the terrifying inversion; they push Christ behind ancestry, territory, and national destiny like the Pharisees standing before Him and then they have the audacity to call it "Christianity".

It's not Christianity. It's from hell.

 

[Jack]

^ This guy is basically saying, ‘Yes, they may currently reject Christ, but they are still prophetically My people Israel; God restored them nationally first, and He will regenerate them later.’ But the New Testament does not give unbelief that kind of covenant protection at all. Paul says branches were broken off because of unbelief and can be grafted in again only if they do not remain in unbelief. The apostolic warning is: come to Christ. Not, relax, your bloodline and geopolitical destiny will carry you until the next prophetic stage.

This INSANE, warped, dangerous doctrine that the Apostolic Fathers wouldn't even recognize as Christianity doesn’t merely distort Christian theology; it gives Jewish people a false spiritual reassurance the apostles never gave them and puts their souls in spiritual danger. If salvation and covenant life are in Christ, telling someone who rejects Christ that he nevertheless possesses a uniquely privileged covenant-national status is giving them a status the New Testament does not give.

OT promises reach their fulfillment through Christ; therefore the NT gets final say on who Abraham’s heirs are, who God’s people are, and what covenant membership means after Christ. The apostles do not teach that rejection of Christ is temporarily offset by ethnicity, territory, or prophetic nationality.

These people have been trained to reason exactly like the very people Christ was rebuking : ‘We have Abraham! We have the bloodline! We have the land! We are God’s people!’ Meanwhile, the Son of God is standing directly in the middle of the New Testament saying that covenant inheritance is determined by belonging to HIM and Him alone.

Thats the terrifying inversion; they push Christ behind ancestry, territory, and national destiny like the Pharisees standing before Him and then they have the audacity to call it "Christianity".

It's not Christianity, it's from hell.

And you still don't have a clue where Jesus will return and FIGHT for the inhabitants of Israel in the Land of the Bible! Jesus calls it Jerusalem!

Zechariah 14:12
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

Luke 1:68
68 "Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,

And His Name is Jesus! The God of Israel! "King of the Jews"!

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

It's like living in a science fiction horror movie from hell.

This system has trained you to reason, defend and argue in categories Christ Himself rebuked.

If your theology trains you to reason like the very people Christ rebuked for trusting ancestry, inherited status, and covenant privilege, then something has gone catastrophically wrong with the way you’re practicing Christianity. Hasn’t it, Jebadiah.


It’s absolute bewitchment.

 

[Jack]

It's like living in a science fiction horror movie from hell.

This system has trained you to reason, defend and argue in categories Christ Himself rebuked.

Wrong again. I've never been in the "system".

If your theology trains you to reason like the very people Christ rebuked for trusting ancestry, inherited status, and covenant privilege, then something has gone catastrophically wrong with the way you’re practicing Christianity. Hasn’t it, Jebadiah.

I strongly suggest you stop talking evil about the inhabitants of Israel whom Jesus will soon fight and KILL for. Soon you will stand before the King of the Jews, the God of Israel on Judgment Day.

It’s absolute bewitchment.

How about absolute irony!