Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

[WPM]

Does not the Gospel contain all?

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[CrowCross]

Did you read chapter 15?

yes...and?????

Why are you being so cryptic? Why can't you simply step up to the plate and say what you mean?

 

[CrowCross]

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David wants to play the cryptic game.

 

[WPM]

David wants to play the cryptic game.

Ok, I am starting to see that.

 

[David in NJ]

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All that you mentioned

 

[David in NJ]

yes...and?????

Why are you being so cryptic? Why can't you simply step up to the plate and say what you mean?

Post the verse in 1 Corinthians chapter 15 that shows we are resurrected in physical bodies.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You presented NOTHING concerning when Satan fell.

Satan fell? When did I discuss this on this thread? Why did you keep changing subject every time I have refuted your position?

I pointed out satan walked in the garden in an un-fallen state. Show me where I'm wrong.

You must be confusing me with WPM. But regardless, I’ve seen enough to realize that continuing this discussion would be a complete waste of time.

You are so deeply committed to your own deception of your own making that you seem incapable of recognizing when Scripture contradicts it. That is the problem with building a doctrine first and then searching for verses to defend it afterward.

What is especially telling is how rarely you actually quote Scripture to establish your position. For someone so confident that he has the truth, you certainly seem to have remarkably little Scripture to support your claims. But I suppose when the Bible does not cooperate with your interpretation, ignoring it is always an option.

I have no interest in continuing a dialogue where Scripture is repeatedly replaced by assertions and speculation. I’ll leave you to your own conclusions.

Consider this conversation over. Sending you to my ignore list.

 

[WPM]

All that you mentioned

You obviously have no answer for me. I asked you a simple question and you refused to answer it. I was trying to get you to biblically support what you claimed. You answered the question with a question. That seems to be your modus operandi. So, I will accept that as an acknowledgment that you have nothing to support your claims.

The reality is: Premillennialism has no corroboration for its opinion of Revelation 20. You're avoidance proves that.

 

[rwb]

Ez 28:15...You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you.

Unrighteousness was found in satan after he was created....after he walked in the garden of Eden in an un-fallen state yet prior to the temptation in the garden.

Where in the Bible can I find verses to prove the serpent in the garden of Eden in an un-fallen state? If he was not at one time a liar and murderer from the beginning, why does Scripture tell us he was and still is?

 

[rwb]

show me where it says satan fell prior to the creation of the world.

Where do you believe I've said Satan fell prior to creation of the world?

 

[rwb]

You presented NOTHING concerning when Satan fell.

I pointed out satan walked in the garden in an un-fallen state. Show me where I'm wrong.

Just saying Satan walked in the garden in an un-fallen state is not biblical proof that you are right. You're wrong because as I've said, the Bible, not I, tells us that Satan is a liar and murderer, even the father of lies from the beginning.

 

[WPM]

Where in the Bible can I find verses to prove the serpent in the garden of Eden in an un-fallen state? If he was not at one time a liar and murderer from the beginning, why does Scripture tell us he was and still is?

Jesus said in John 8:44: “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”

The phase "the beginning" typically refers to the beginning of creation and earth. Just like the regeneration when Jesus comes refers to "the end" of creation and earth as we know it. Every solid theologian I know believes that Satan rebelled and fell before the beginning of creation and earth. He was a leader of the angelic host in. heaven.

When Jesus said that Satan was a murderer from the beginning, He was not saying that Satan was a murderer from the moment he was created. He was saying that Satan was a murderer from the beginning of creation. The enemy of our souls had already fallen and rebelled against God before that.

 

[rwb]

Eph 6. Why take up the shield if it extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one?


15and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace.16In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one;

I'm sorry, but I have no idea of what you're trying to prove here???

 

[rwb]

The beginning and end of creation starts with day one and ended on day six with God resting on the seventh day. The Bible plainly tells us that all that God created within the six days of creation consists of all that is in heaven, earth and the sea.

Exodus 20:11 (KJV) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

[CrowCross]

Post the verse in 1 Corinthians chapter 15 that shows we are resurrected in physical bodies.

I'm not sure what you're asking..but start at verses 36. Tell me how that's not speaking of a resurrected body.

In fact the title above the verses from Bible Hub is....The Resurrection Body

 

[rwb]

It does????

There shall be no more infant of days nor an old man that hath not filled his days, IOW when God creates new heavens and a new earth both infant and old man will have filled their days of this mortal life. How can the child die an hundred years old have filled his days? In the new earth all shall fulfill their days because time shall be no longer on the new earth, because all who are there have entered into the eternal age that has no end. In this age of time, reckoned an hundred years death unto all shall be at the appointed time whether a child who dies or accursed sinner.

Isaiah 65:20 (KJV) There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

 

[CrowCross]

Where in the Bible can I find verses to prove the serpent in the garden of Eden in an un-fallen state? If he was not at one time a liar and murderer from the beginning, why does Scripture tell us he was and still is?

The serpent in the bible is in a fallen state. Prior to that satan walked in the garden in an un-fallen state.

 

[David in NJ]

I'm not sure what you're asking..but start at verses 36. Tell me how that's not speaking of a resurrected body.

In fact the title above the verses from Bible Hub is....The Resurrection Body

i never denied a 'bodily resurrection'

You claimed our resurrected bodies will be physical.

The Holy Spirit Says different.

But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” 36You fool! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37And what you sow is not the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or something else. 38But God gives it a body as He has designed, and to each kind of seed He gives its own body.

39Not all flesh is the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another, and fish another. 40There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But the splendor of the heavenly bodies is of one degree, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is of another. 41The sun has one degree of splendor, the moon another, and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.

42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. 43It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”;e the last Adam a life-giving spirit.

 

[CrowCross]

The phase "the beginning" typically refers to the beginning of creation and earth.

Are you saying that in the beginning Adam and Eve....day one...were made man and wife not day 6?

 

[David in NJ]

You obviously have no answer for me. I asked you a simple question and you refused to answer it. I was trying to get you to biblically support what you claimed. You answered the question with a question. That seems to be your modus operandi. So, I will accept that as an acknowledgment that you have nothing to support your claims.

The reality is: Premillennialism has no corroboration for its opinion of Revelation 20. You're avoidance proves that.

The Gospel is the Biblical support to that which Genesis Claims.