Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

[amigo de christo]

Now when Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to Him, pleading with Him, 6saying, “Lord, my servant is lying at home paralyzed, dreadfully tormented.”

7And Jesus said to him, “I will come and heal him.”

8The centurion answered and said, “Lord, I am not worthy that You should come under my roof. But only speak a word, and my servant will be healed. 9For I also am a man under authority, having soldiers under me. And I say to this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes; and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”

10When Jesus heard it, He marveled, and said to those who followed, “Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel! 11And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 13Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go your way; and as you have believed, so let it be done for you.” And his servant was healed that same hour.

and what do YOU notice about this . as well as the one about the greek woman .
BOTH OF THEM were VERY HUMBLE . they didnt NAME IT AND DEMAND JESUS to heal as though he was their servant .
The centurion KNEW . The centurion KNEW HIS PLACE and HE KNEW WHO JESUS WAS .
Just like the greek lady who said , AFTER JESUS bascially called her a dog .
SHE AGREED and said BUT EVEN THE DOGS do eat of the crumbs .
THEY WERE HUMBLE DAVID . ITS THE HUMBLE HEART that GOD LOOKS UPON . NOT the satanic nar realm
that demands IT . and even offers MONEY FOR IT .
We should be humble servants . NEVER seeing ourselves as the big great thing . GOD IS THE ALL AND ALL
AND HIS CHRIST is the ONE who we owe all to and OUGHT to HONOR .

 

[Truth7t7]

Now when Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to Him, pleading with Him, 6saying, “Lord, my servant is lying at home paralyzed, dreadfully tormented.”

7And Jesus said to him, “I will come and heal him.”

8The centurion answered and said, “Lord, I am not worthy that You should come under my roof. But only speak a word, and my servant will be healed. 9For I also am a man under authority, having soldiers under me. And I say to this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes; and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”

10When Jesus heard it, He marveled, and said to those who followed, “Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel! 11And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 13Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go your way; and as you have believed, so let it be done for you.” And his servant was healed that same hour.

Not one word in the scripture you presented even hints at a mortal millennial kingdom on this earth, why did you post it?

 

[David in NJ]

Not one word in the scripture you presented even hints at a mortal millennial kingdom on this earth, why did you post it?

REALLY!!!

The Eternal Kingdom of GOD lasts how long?

1,000 literal Years is just the Beginning

 

[amigo de christo]

In fact, GOD is doing that Today = "If you hear His Voice"

GOD Says, pre-trib rapture is a lie!

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn,
and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

what did JESUS say and later paul would confirm .
And what does pre trib try and say .
WE ARE APPOINTED UNTO TRIBULATION . pre trib calls someone a liar david .
Pre trib tries and acts like WE TOO GOOD to be perseucted , WE too good to have to endure tribulation .
ONLY it aint what THE BIBLE taught NOW IS IT .
In fact i see a v ery grave danger in this . THEY do not prepare this people to endure tribulations
and more so are now being prepared for to even see the mark as NOT BEING THE MARK at all .
cause they THINK it wont possible be the mark cause we supposed to be gone by then .
LOOKs to me like folks are BEING SET UP my friend .
TOO many be looking for a HOLLYWOOD style of sorts and believing
WELL we wont see it or have to f ace deadly persecutions .
KINDA ODD . HOW come paul and the other saints faced persecution and even d eath
And so many saints throughout all ages have as well .
BUT NO , NOT TH IS LAST generation , THEY THINKS GOD just wont allow us to face tribulation .
KINDA ODD dont ya think . WHEN EVEN JESUS WARNED THEM , YE WILL HAVE TRIBULATION IN THIS WORLD
and that many would be betrayed and even KILLED for the faith . As even paul warned and others .
SOUNDS TO ME like many seem to be in love with a lie and not TRUTH . and that my friend
IS WHY many are also being taken right into A SNARE .

 

[WPM]

REALLY!!!

The Eternal Kingdom of GOD lasts how long?

1,000 literal Years is just the Beginning

Where is corroboration for your opinion of Revelation 20? Stop avoiding!

 

[amigo de christo]

REALLY!!!

The Eternal Kingdom of GOD lasts how long?

1,000 literal Years is just the Beginning

notice who is First IN this thousand years . It says those who were BEHEADED etc .
Killed for the faith . SO my question is HOW ON EARTH can we be IN this thousand years NOW .
WHEN number one both the FP and beast WOULD NOT BE HERE but already in the lake of fire
and satan himself BOUND that he cannot DECIEVE the nations .
IF the FP and beast are already in that lake of fire and satan already bound so he cannot decieve .
THEN WHO ON EARTH has been DECIEVING THIS WORLD since even the days of peter and paul
EVEN NOW and HOW WORSE IT GETS TOO .
SOMEONE is DECIEVING and has BEEN decieving the nations and worse even a lot of chrisetndom too .
Proves to me we aint YET IN that thousand years . I mean IF ONE is be headed
I SURE THINKS that means THEY WERE KILLED , dont you .
Someone sure is decieving . And if we look about WE DARN SURE DO have A HARLOT who sits ov er many waters
WHO IS SELLING her drink of fornication to the false relgioins , to the world and to much of christendom .
What we see at work is the mystery of inqiuity , that which is of anti ch rist
that which h ad already began even in the days of paul and of john .
THE ONLY THING is , ITS NOW G ROWN MASSIVE and specially as of late .
Tribulations have been throughout all ages . THE GREATEST HOUR of tribulation
WILL COME against th e last saints in this last hour too david . OH its coming and even now
this world and its merged false relgioions is being groomed and prepared
FOR TO BE AS ONE and to come against ALL the saints who did not co nform to the image of their inclusive god .
ITS PEAKING DAVID . AND ITS GONNA COME . We must simply endure faithful
as have all other sheep before us through all ages . FAITHFUL UN TO DEATH . FOr they loved not thier lives unto death .
TRIBULATION COMETH .

 

[CrowCross]

1. Do you believe Satan and his minions are physical beings?
2. Is the dragon in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical dragon?
3. Is the serpent in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical serpent?
4. Do you believe Satan literally has 7 heads and 7 necks?
5. Is the key mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal door key?
6. Is the chain mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal chain?
7. Is the prison mentioned in Revelation 20:7 a literal brick prison?
8. Do you believe demons need to be detained in a literal physical prison with literal metal chains in order to be restrained?
9. Can a prisoner in a prison have great wrath while in chains?
10. Does imprisonment mean immobility?
11. Does it mean a prisoner cannot do harm?
12. Can a dog on a chain walk or roam about?
13. Can a prisoner in a prison walk or roam about?
14. Can a prisoner deceive others in prison?
15. Does a prisoner have the ability to kill, steal, destroy, rape and embezzle in prison?
16. When the Bible talk about the wicked being bound in chains do you believe these are literal physical chains?
17. When the Bible talk about the wicked being imprisoned do you believe they are all in literal physical brick prisons?

Using the bible...and no speculation....can you describe to me what Satans prison and chains look like?

Some of the above is literal.
Some of the above is symbolic.
Some of the above is a symbolic representation of the literal.

Why don't you go through your list and point out which is which.

 

[CrowCross]

Because even sin/evil is used by God to accomplish His good purpose. What man thinks of as bad, God uses to bring about good. It is through experiencing both good and evil, mankind might come to know the goodness of God's mercy and grace given to those who are born again.

Genesis 50:20 (KJV) But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.

That makes no sense. You didn't answer my post....you dodged it.

It is God who always is good, creates good.....and others who use evil...which God can turn to good.

 

[Truth7t7]

REALLY!!!

The Eternal Kingdom of GOD lasts how long?

1,000 literal Years is just the Beginning

When does this present mortal world end, please explain?

 

[CrowCross]

The descriptions "serpent" and "dragon" are symbolic descriptions of the character of Satan, just like lion and the lamb are symbolic descriptions of the Lord Jesus Christ. The enlightened mind will know that.

How does this show Satan fell before the world was created and never walked in the garden of Eden is an un-fallen state?

 

[CrowCross]

I notice that your modus operandi is to avoid every single biblical argument that others present and just keep repeating your error. It seems like your blinkered. It seems like you do not want to know the truth. You just want to hold onto what you've been wrongly taught. Sad! There is no reasoning with such an indoctrinated mind. It is a waste of time.

You didn't address the question. You dodged...

Why would God create an evil serpent on day 6 then say creation was very good????????????????

 

[CrowCross]

And just like he used paul and other true men to do so , HE still uses men to warn today .
Its why i warn . It is not for my health its out of dire necessity for the sakes of the peoples that i warn .
The Holy Spirit is at work within the sheep .

You might like or should I say understand what Jamie Walden has to say.

 

[CrowCross]

You are overlooking some key symbolic variables. We are viewing a symbolic dragon being threw into a prison in Rev 20. The dragon symbolically represents Satan. But it is a figurative portrayal. The prison is a spiritual condition rather than a geographical location. What is more, this occurs in the intra-Advent period until Satan is released at the end for his final assault upon the saints.

LOL.....sooooooooooooooooooooo Satan isn't thrown into a prison? Just a symbol is?????????

Where do you get this stuff from?

 

[CrowCross]

In fact, GOD is doing that Today = "If you hear His Voice"

GOD Says, pre-trib rapture is a lie!

God voice says....LOOK UP!!!! Your redemption draws nigh.

 

[WPM]

Using the bible...and no speculation....can you describe to me what Satans prison and chains look like?

Some of the above is literal.
Some of the above is symbolic.
Some of the above is a symbolic representation of the literal.

Why don't you go through your list and point out which is which.

When Christ bound Satan’s kingdom through His life, death and resurrection then all were bound. 2 Peter 2:4, Jude v 6, Revelation 9 and Revelation 20 all prove the whole demonic realm has been restrained from stopping the free-flow of the Gospel. The bruising of the head of the beast (Revelation 13:3, 13:12 and 13:14) correlates with the bruising of the head of Satan 2,000 years ago through the earthly ministry of Christ (Genesis 3:15). They correspond with the spiritual binding imprisoning of Satan during the millennial period. These are figurative metaphors describing the impairment of the kingdom of darkness 2000 years ago.

When Satan was banished from heaven, so was the whole demonic realm (1/3 of the angels went with him).

Through his defeat, Satan fell from heaven (John 12:31 & Revelation 12:7-9) and is now present in the abyss (Revelation 9:1-11 & Revelation 20:3). The abyss is not a physical geographical place. After all, physical metal chains cannot hold spirits. It is a spiritual state of restraint for spirits now. Near the end, the beast will be released from his restraints and the “deadly wound” to his head will be “healed” (Revelation 13:3, 13:12 and 13:14). This tells us that he too was bruised like Satan’s head through the life, death and resurrection of Christ.

Just like Satan’s power and influence were curtailed through the life, death and first resurrection of Christ, so too was the beast’s. The fate of the two mirror each other. The reason is, the beast is dependent upon the power of Satan to do his evil. The beast is his envoy or enforcer. At the end Satan will be released from his restraint to empower the beast to subjugate the Church, curtail the Gospel expanse and deceive the nations again. There will be a suppression of the Gospel in the last of the last days. This will result in deep persecution. But the darkest days in history have always been the brightest days in history.

When Satan is released before the second coming for a little season then so are the beast, and Satan's minions. Satan is promised a freedom from restraint before the second coming, as is antichrist, and every demon. Scripture shows the abyss being opened near the end whereupon Satan and his demons are released from their spiritual restraint (Revelation 9:1-11 and Revelation 20:7). This parallels with the beast also rising from the abyss (Revelation 11:7 and Revelation 17:8). This corresponds with the restraint being taken off the mystery of iniquity in 2 Thessalonians 2:7 before Christ’s return.

Then comes the end! But Christ comes in majestic and eternal glory to overthrow the kingdom of darkness forever. The demonic realm is all killed when Satan is destroyed at the climactic second coming (Isaiah 26:19-27:1, 2 Thessalonians 2:8, Revelation 19:20, 20:9-10). Daniel 7:9-11, 2 Thessalonians 2:8 and Revelation 19:19-20 show this to be the same time when the beast is obliterated.

 

[WPM]

You didn't address the question. You dodged...

Why would God create an evil serpent on day 6 then say creation was very good????????????????

I never dodged anything. Check #536. It is you who is dodging.

He was talking about and describing the natural physical order/creation. Hello! He had already created the angelic realm before that.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Depends on what one means by christain . c ause from what i can clearly see
satan sure has a lot of those who cliam to be christain
under the sway of his power and of what he now calls GOD , c alls love and calls unity for peace .
But oh yes the true christains who by faith in Christ do resist him , OH HE gonna cause perseuctions
to come their way. and reader DO beware and be alert .
Cause many of those who already cast us out and soon will be co helpers to our round up ,
OH THEY GONNA think they christain , they gonna beleive the solution of anti christ for peace
and they gonna think the true sheep who did n ot conform to the all inclusive god
Are haters and dangerous and even potential terrorists . JUST letting you know
WHAT the sold out ecumeincal churches who heed this inclusiv e god
ARE doing and preparing their own with all the false relgions , TO COME AGAINST the true sheep in the time to come .
The greatest hour of tribulation IS NOT behind us , BUDDY ITS ABOUT TO SLAM DOWN against the SAINTS OF GOD and OF CHRIST .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

One plus one plus one is three and so is two plus two is four .
THIS PEOPLE has about ZERO idea david of what is and what is going on my friend .
And numbers cannot save them . You gonna have to speak plainly to them .
Whether or not you yet realize what i am saying is true or not
MANY HERE DO NOT EVEN KEEP the basic teachings OF JESUS anymore .
How on earth am i gonna teach or show them anything spiritual
IF THEY CANNOT even hear the basic truth david .
This generation has about zero to no idea what the heck infiltrated christendom
and they have zero idea
this enity is now being seen as GOD to this people and as his love and as his peace plan .
AND IT AINT GOD david . IT THE DEVIL and I MEAN THAT WITH ALL MY BEING .
This people must be returned to the basics . And now .

@amigo de christo

 

[WPM]

LOL.....sooooooooooooooooooooo Satan isn't thrown into a prison? Just a symbol is?????????

Where do you get this stuff from?

It is a spiritual place of restraint.

1. Are the wicked in a physical prison?
2. Are the wicked bound by metal chains?

 

[IndianaRob]

LOL.....sooooooooooooooooooooo Satan isn't thrown into a prison? Just a symbol is?????????

Where do you get this stuff from?

Thats what I’m wondering.