How Confidant Are You Being Saved?

[PeterAndroz]

You keep collapsing everything into initial justification. I agree that initial justification and sealing are by grace through faith alone (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 1:13, 2:8-9; Titus 3:5-7). Paul also teaches what happens after that: “you are being saved if you hold fast” (1 Corinthians 15:2), “He will present you holy if you continue in the faith” (Colossians 1:23), “If we endure, we shall reign with Him” (2 Timothy 2:12), and “you will be cut off if you do not continue” (Romans 11:22). Ongoing faith is not "works/performance"; it is exactly what you yourself called “ongoing belief, trust.” I’m not twisting Paul—I’m quoting all of him, not only the initial‑justification texts.

You keep implying that JUSTIFICATION requires a level of (ongoing?) believer performance
List the verses, not opinions

 

[Moonwood]

You keep implying that JUSTIFICATION requires a level of (ongoing?) believer performance
List the verses, not opinions

You’re asking for verses about remaining justified. Paul gives them: “you are being saved if you hold fast” (1 Corinthians 15:2), “He will present you holy if you continue in the faith” (Colossians 1:23), “If we endure, we shall reign with Him” (2 Timothy 2:12), and “you will be cut off if you do not continue” (Romans 11:22). Ongoing faith is not "works/performance"; it is exactly what you yourself called “ongoing belief, trust.” If you reject Paul’s “if” statements, that’s not a problem with my answer — that’s a problem with your system.

 

[PeterAndroz]

You’re asking for verses about remaining justified. I've already given them: “you are being saved if you hold fast” (1 Corinthians 15:2), “He will present you holy if you continue in the faith” (Colossians 1:23), “If we endure, we shall reign with Him” (2 Timothy 2:12), and “you will be cut off if you do not continue” (Romans 11:22). Ongoing faith is not "works/performance"; it is exactly what you yourself called “ongoing belief, trust.” If you reject Paul’s “if” statements, that’s not a problem with my answer — that’s a problem with your system.

and we've AGREED that since saved/justified requires belief/trust the DBR of Christ then that belief/trust in the DBR needs to be ONGOING
Belief/trust though is not works/performance
Heaven entry is ONLY by belief/trust in the DBR of Christ and NOT how a believer 'performs'

 

[Moonwood]

and we've AGREED that since saved/justified requires belief/trust the DBR of Christ then that belief/trust in the DBR needs to be ONGOING
Belief/trust though is not works/performance
Heaven entry is ONLY by belief/trust in the DBR of Christ and NOT how a believer 'performs'

You’re asking for verses about remaining justified, and I listed them: “you are being saved if you hold fast” (1 Corinthians 15:2), “He will present you holy if you continue in the faith” (Colossians 1:23), “If we endure, we shall reign with Him” (2 Timothy 2:12), and “you will be cut off if you do not continue” (Romans 11:22). Now you’ve agreed that belief and trust must be ongoing, and that ongoing belief/trust is not performance. That is exactly what Paul’s “if” statements teach.

 

[PeterAndroz]

You’re asking for verses about remaining justified, and I listed them: “you are being saved if you hold fast” (1 Corinthians 15:2), “He will present you holy if you continue in the faith” (Colossians 1:23), “If we endure, we shall reign with Him” (2 Timothy 2:12), and “you will be cut off if you do not continue” (Romans 11:22). Now you’ve agreed that belief and trust must be ongoing, and that ongoing belief/trust is not performance. That is exactly what Paul’s “if” statements teach.

Col 1:23 & 2 Tim 2:12 do NOT teach a saved/sealed/justified believer can become UNsaved,UNsealed, UNjustified c/- what they do or don't.
You are teaching 'works/performance' are ALSO required to enter Heaven which is TOTALLY DESTROYED by Titus 3:5-7, Gal 2:16, Eph 2:8-9, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom5:1
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Teachings like yours are the reason people are confused.

 

[Moonwood]

Col 1:23 & 2 Tim 2:12 do NOT teach a saved/sealed/justified believer can become UNsaved,UNsealed, UNjustified c/- what they do or don't.
You are teaching 'works/performance' are ALSO required to enter Heaven which is TOTALLY DESTROYED by Titus 3:5-7, Gal 2:16, Eph 2:8-9, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom5:1
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Teachings like yours are the reason people are confused.

You’re now saying Colossians 1:23 and 2 Timothy 2:12 do not teach what they explicitly state. Paul writes: “He will present you holy if you continue in the faith” and “If we endure, we shall reign with Him.” These are God's conditions, not mine. They are about ongoing belief/trust — exactly what you already agreed must be ongoing and is not performance. Titus 3:5-7, Galatians 2:16, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:28, 4:5, and 5:1 all describe how justification begins. Paul’s "if" statements describe how final salvation is received. I’m quoting all of Paul, not only the initial‑justification verses.

 

[Moonwood]

Are you claiming Col 1:23 & Tim 2:12 contradicts 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 ?

No, I’m not claiming they contradict. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and Ephesians 1:13 describe how salvation begins. Colossians 1:23 and 2 Timothy 2:12 describe how final salvation is received. Paul uses both categories. I’m quoting all of Paul, not only the initial‑justification verses.

 

[PeterAndroz]

No, I’m not claiming they contradict. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and Ephesians 1:13 describe how salvation begins. Colossians 1:23 and 2 Timothy 2:12 describe how final salvation is received. Paul uses both categories. I’m quoting all of Paul, not only the initial‑justification verses.

Only the saved/justified enter Heaven
Justification occurs by faith & never achieved by performance
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 teaches how to be saved/justifed
Titus 3:5-7, Gal 2:16, Eph 2:8-9, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom 5:1 teach the performance requirements >>NONE
Just those few simple verses destroys the notion that works/performance are a Heaven ENTRY requirement.
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By using other Paul verses to push your AND WORKS agenda to ENTER Heaven you are teaching a FALSE GOSPEL
Gal 3:1-4, Gal 1:6-9 is your warning

 

[PeterAndroz]

For those who are concerned as to whether or not they are saved, the following article will help you
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Assurance of Salvation - doctrine.org

Salvation is a work of God.1 More than that, salvation is solely a work of God. Assurance of salvation is possible only if salvation is a work of God alone. If salvation depended upon man’s ability, assurance of salvation would require answering…

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[Moonwood]

Only the saved/justified enter Heaven
Justification occurs by faith & never achieved by performance
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 teaches how to be saved/justifed
Titus 3:5-7, Gal 2:16, Eph 2:8-9, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom 5:1 teach the performance requirements >>NONE
Just those few simple verses destroys the notion that works/performance are a Heaven ENTRY requirement.
..
By using other Paul verses to push your AND WORKS agenda to ENTER Heaven you are teaching a FALSE GOSPEL
Gal 3:1-4, Gal 1:6-9 is your warning

No one is claiming justification is achieved by performance. Paul teaches initial justification by faith alone — that’s 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Ephesians 1:13, Ephesians 2:8–9, Titus 3:5-7, Galatians 2:16, Romans 3:28, Romans 4:5, Romans 5:1.

But Paul also teaches final salvation is received if we continue in faith (Colossians 1:23), if we hold fast (1 Corinthians 15:2), if we endure (2 Timothy 2:12), and that we will be cut off if we do not continue (Romans 11:22).

These are not “works requirements.” You already agreed ongoing belief/trust is required and is not performance. That is exactly what Paul’s conditional statements teach.

I’m quoting all of Paul — both the verses about how justification begins and the verses about how final salvation is received. That is not a false gospel; that is Paul’s own structure.