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Taken
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“IT”… according to you….(doesn’t exist)
The Rapture.
The Scripture regarding the Rapture.
Your “lol” is an intended scoff, toward me.
Yet…
It is your Amusement, you could neither FIND the Rapture IN Scripture, nor Understand who’s HAND, handles (takes care of)…WHAT, WHEN, or WHY.
The Ignorance is on you.
The Assurance of Salvation is in me.
No dispute.
You are content in your ignorance and I am content in my salvation.
Glory to God,
Taken
You are twisting what I have been saying. I have not said the rapture. Postribs believe in the catching away. I said the Bible does not teach a rapture, followed by a tribulation period, followed by a third coming.
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Taken
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Actually Jesus returns twice...
Acts 1:
11“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven.”
In verse 9 we see a description....9 After He had said this, they watched as He was taken up, and a cloud hid Him from their sight.
In 1 Thes 4 we read about the resurrection/rapture (caught up) event.
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
Jesus simply ascended into the clouds...nothing spectacular. At the resurrection rapture event Jesus returns in the clouds the same way He left.
When we get to Rev 19 we see a different description of the return of Jesus....
11 Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12 He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God.
In Mark 16:19–20; Luke 24:50–53 there is no mention of a white horse. if Jesus ascended into heaven on a white horse surely Luke or Mark would have mentioned it.
There are obviously 2 returns as two distinctly different description are provided in the bible to read.
The pre-trib return...
In Luke 17 Jesus provides a description and relates it to the days of Noah and Lot
26 Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man: 27 People were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
28 It was the same in the days of Lot: People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But on the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.
Jesus told us... "People were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage buying and selling, planting and building." If you think about it if Jesus only returns once at the end of the great tribulation....considering what the world has just gone through I don't think people will be eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage buying and selling, planting and building. BUT...in the pre-trib return scenario it describes what it is like today...people ARE eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage buying and selling, planting and building.
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