Pretrib fallacies

[WPM]

And… WHO IS “THE Church”?

God's elect. God's people. God only has one people - His fold, good olive tree, the household of faith, both Jew and Gentile.

 

[WPM]

I can not Read and Study For You.
You want A Carnal Understanding to Spiritual Events.
Not Possible.
Get a STUDENT Bible…

Learn, WHY there IS a Rapture.
Learn WHO it Applies TO and WHY.

Lol. Exactly. That is because it doesn't exist.

 

[Taken]

Lol. Exactly. That is because it doesn't exist.

“IT”… according to you….(doesn’t exist)
The Rapture.
The Scripture regarding the Rapture.

Your “lol” is an intended scoff, toward me.
Yet…
It is your Amusement, you could neither FIND the Rapture IN Scripture, nor Understand who’s HAND, handles (takes care of)…WHAT, WHEN, or WHY.

The Ignorance is on you.
The Assurance of Salvation is in me.

No dispute.
You are content in your ignorance and I am content in my salvation.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[WPM]

“IT”… according to you….(doesn’t exist)
The Rapture.
The Scripture regarding the Rapture.

Your “lol” is an intended scoff, toward me.
Yet…
It is your Amusement, you could neither FIND the Rapture IN Scripture, nor Understand who’s HAND, handles (takes care of)…WHAT, WHEN, or WHY.

The Ignorance is on you.
The Assurance of Salvation is in me.

No dispute.
You are content in your ignorance and I am content in my salvation.

Glory to God,
Taken

You are twisting what I have been saying. I have not said the rapture. Postribs believe in the catching away. I said the Bible does not teach a rapture, followed by a tribulation period, followed by a third coming.

 

[Taken]

You are twisting what I have been saying.

Nope. Disagreeing.

 

[CrowCross]

Whatever angle you look up Pretrib, it is contradictory and self-defeating. Many of its main arguments are petty, ridiculous and nonsensical!

Actually Jesus returns twice...

Acts 1:
11“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven.”

In verse 9 we see a description....9 After He had said this, they watched as He was taken up, and a cloud hid Him from their sight.

In 1 Thes 4 we read about the resurrection/rapture (caught up) event.
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

Jesus simply ascended into the clouds...nothing spectacular. At the resurrection rapture event Jesus returns in the clouds the same way He left.

When we get to Rev 19 we see a different description of the return of Jesus....
11 Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12 He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God.

In Mark 16:19–20; Luke 24:50–53 there is no mention of a white horse. if Jesus ascended into heaven on a white horse surely Luke or Mark would have mentioned it.

There are obviously 2 returns as two distinctly different description are provided in the bible to read.

The pre-trib return...
In Luke 17 Jesus provides a description and relates it to the days of Noah and Lot
26 Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man: 27 People were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
28 It was the same in the days of Lot: People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But on the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

Jesus told us... "People were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage buying and selling, planting and building." If you think about it if Jesus only returns once at the end of the great tribulation....considering what the world has just gone through I don't think people will be eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage buying and selling, planting and building. BUT...in the pre-trib return scenario it describes what it is like today...people ARE eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage buying and selling, planting and building.

 

[David in NJ]

Actually Jesus returns twice...

Adding to God's words what HE never Said = BAD to do!!! = Proverbs 30:5-6

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

 

[CrowCross]

Adding to God's words what HE never Said = BAD to do!!! = Proverbs 30:5-6

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

Unless you can explain away the lack of white core and explain away the 'economy" of Noah and Lot....please stay east of the Delaware river.

 

[Taken]

You are twisting what I have been saying. I have not said the rapture. Postribs believe in the catching away. I said the Bible does not teach a rapture, followed by a tribulation period, followed by a third coming.

You are twisting what I have been saying. I have not said the rapture. Postribs believe in the catching away. I said the Bible does not teach a rapture, followed by a tribulation period, followed by a third coming.

Pre - Before the Tribulation from Heaven …
Sent Because of WRATH…

The Wrath of The Lamb…
Toward those who Rejected Him.

The Wrath of the Devil …
Toward those who will Reject him.

The Wrath of God…
Toward those who Rejected Him.

All happens During the Great Tribulation sent from Heaven upon the whole Earth.

That Tribulation…its Effects…
Those Wraths……
Have Zero Application to THEY who ARE Saved Before The Tribulation BEGINS.

Nothing new under the Sun.
Just AS Faithful Noah, his Family Were NOT required to be:
Subject to …Gods Wrath
Subject to….Gods First Great Tribulations
“THEY” were LIFTED UP, above the face of the Earth….
While they ON Earth Suffered Destruction.

Greek…. Harpazo…means a Quick Removal.

Latin….. Rapio / Rapere’…means a Quick Removal.

English… Rapture…means a Quick Removal

1 Thes 4: 15-17,
describes the Quick Removal..
tells Who is Removing…
tells Who is Being Removed…
tells WHERE they are being Removed TO.

Matt 24:
Informs men, to be Prepared…
Because…there will be “A Removal of Some and Some will Remain ON Earth”

Matt 24:
[38] For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
[39] And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
[40] Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

The Rapture IS the Lord Quickly Taking AWAY from the Face of the Earth…
Those that HE ALREADY Saved… and are not required to suffer Wrath or Tribulations Sent from Heaven.

Wrath is appointed to the Unsaved.
Wrath is Not appointed to the Saved.

1 Thes 5:
[9] For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Post/Trib “Rapture”…. No.
There is NO Rapture, Quickly carrying away / or up Anyone After the Tribulation.

There is a GATHERING of the Body’s of the Saved ON Earth, who Remain ON Earth.
They “GO” nowhere.
Called First Resurrection.
Their Saved soul and Quickened spirit in Heaven, shall be returned to their new body on Earth.

The Third Return?
No Such Thing.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[GeneZ]

Let the attention seekers argue and throw out non subtantiated contrary statements.
Leave them alone...
They simply do not have grace working in them to know the truth.

Yet...
What many fail to realize?
The Rapture?
And, the Resurrection of the Church?
Are one and the same.

The Rapture is when the resurrection of the Church takes place!
These creeps become Resurrection deniers .

 

[David in NJ]

Unless you can explain away the lack of white core and explain away the 'economy" of Noah and Lot....please stay east of the Delaware river.

Noah Truth destroys pre-trib = as in the days of Noah....I Come for PRE-Wrath Deliverance as PROMISED = 1 Thess 1:10 & 5:9

Lot destroys pre-trib = "remember Lot's wife"....I Come for PRE-Wrath Deliverance as PROMISED = 1 Thess 1:10 & 5:9

 

[David in NJ]

Let the attention seekers argue and throw out non subtantiated contrary statements.
Leave them alone...
They simply do not have grace working in them to know the truth.

Yet...
What many fail to realize?
The Rapture?
And, the Resurrection of the Church?
Are one and the same.

The Rapture is when the resurrection of the Church takes place!
These creeps become Resurrection deniers .

Every lie is VOID of the Grace of God and the Holy Spirit

Your post lacks God's Grace and Holy Spirit Truth for you just REVERSED God's Words

PLEASE READ CAREFULLY and DO NOT Reverse God's words = 1 Thess 4:13-18

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[David in NJ]

And, what do you want to destroy?

Lies that come in the name of 'christianity'

 

[GeneZ]

Lies that come in the name of 'christianity'

And, you know what the lies are?

The Rapture is a lie?

 

[David in NJ]

And, you know what the lies are?

The Rapture is a lie?

God's Rapture for living/remaining Saints is 100% TRUTH = HalleluYAH

GOD Says: MY Resurrection PRECEEDS(Comes BEFORE) the Rapture = OT Prophets, Gospel, 1 Thess 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians chapter 15

SHALOM in the TRUTH my brother GeneZ

 

[GeneZ]

Noah Truth destroys pre-trib = as in the days of Noah....I Come for PRE-Wrath Deliverance as PROMISED = 1 Thess 1:10 & 5:9

Lot destroys pre-trib = "remember Lot's wife"....I Come for PRE-Wrath Deliverance as PROMISED = 1 Thess 1:10 & 5:9

I will ask again.

Is the Rapture a lie?

 

[GeneZ]

GOD Says: MY Resurrection PRECEEDS(Comes BEFORE) the Rapture = OT Prophets, Gospel, 1 Thess 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians chapter 15

That means you think you are going to be with the dead in Christ who are resurrected first?

 

[David in NJ]

That means you think you are going to be with the dead in Christ who are resurrected first?

ONLY if i die BEFORE His Coming

REST is ASSURED for us GeneZ = In CHRIST and in His Every Word = Matthew 4:4 & Proverbs 30:5-6

There is no need for any of us to be pitted against each other = for that is NOT God's Will

God's Will is that there be no divisions within us and that we submit to every Word Spoken from our Heavenly FATHER

God has made it SIMPLE for us GeneZ = Matthew 18:1-5

At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

2Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, 3and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.

 

[Taken]

Unless you can explain away the lack of white core and explain away the 'economy" of Noah and Lot....please stay east of the Delaware river.

You should learn all the Titles that Apply to The Lord God, and What He is doing while on behalf of that Title…

Men as well have Titles, and perform tasks, deeds, under the authority of whichever Title…

For Example…Donald Trump has numerous Titles…
Husband, father, dad, father-in-law, business owner, CEO, Neighbor, Acquaintance, Uncle, Chief, Commander, Employer, Boss, Grandfather, Executive Head, Diplomat, Mr. Trump, Associate, etc.

Yet in ALL likelihood…there is ONLY one Title the Majority of People should properly Address him…. Precisely established by a one To Relationship with him…
American?
Mr. President

The same applies to the Lord God Almighty.
Jesus may be “one man’s”, Rabbi, Teacher, Savior, Christ, Truth, Friend, God, Brother, Brethren, Seed, King, OR Lord, etc.
But not another’s man.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[David in NJ]

I will ask again.

Is the Rapture a lie?

I will repeat again the Words of GOD = 1 Thess 4:13-18

God's Rapture for living/remaining Saints is 100% TRUTH = HalleluYAH

GOD Says: MY Resurrection PRECEEDS(Comes BEFORE) the Rapture = OT Prophets, Gospel, 1 Thess 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians chapter 15

SHALOM in the TRUTH my brother GeneZ