Excellent post.
The christians who are alive at the time of the pre-trib rapture will not suffer the wrath....as Jesus paid for our wrath on the cross.
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The christians who are alive at the time of the pre-trib rapture will not suffer the wrath....as Jesus paid for our wrath on the cross.
The same event is what I would say.
Those that have died in the past 2,000 years will be resurrected and those still alive at the rapture will receive new glorified bodies.
I can understand you moving the date up from the end of the tribulation....as it doesn't represent the "economy" of the days of Noah and Lot....but, I also understand at the removal of the restrainer....the bride of Christ is also removed....then the anti-Chist is revealed and given full reign.
I don't disagree with your post....I simply don't understand how it speaks to the economy that is present at the time of the rapture.
It also can mean that when we are Resurrected all of us will be transformed into a childlike state of happiness in our minds.
That no can enter the Kingdom unless they are transformed into that childlike state!
For there are quite a few believers who live wrong and God disciplines them in deep unhappiness as punishment.
When resurrected? They can not remain that way to enter into His Kingdom!
That is why it says.... There will be no more tears and no more sorrow!
When entered into His Kingdom all will have been given the capacity for immense joy and happiness for ever more.
Jesus said that only the greatest become in this lifetime already living in the happiness of a child before they die!
Those ones can know within themselves that they have been given that state of mind to let them know that they
will be one of the greatest ones to be in the Kingdom with great rewards and blessings beyond the normal
happiness all must receive when resurrected.
For, look here~ Some will lose all rewards!
BUT! These ones will not lose their salvation!
1 Corinthians 3:11-15 tells us...
For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay,
straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be
revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work
which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned,
he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
Understand that?
If anyone’s dead works are burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
That means we can't lose our salvation no matter how poorly we walked after believing in Christ.
Meaning?
No matter how poorly it turns out for a believer when he is evaluated by the Lord?
He can only lose his rewards the Lord wanted so much to give him.
But will remain being saved from Hell!
Here it is!
All should read this and stop trying to frighten believers into believing they can lose their salvation.
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me,
but raise them up at the last day. John 6:39
Grace and peace .....!
Something that appears to be saying something almost the opposite of gaslighting.
But means the same thing....
That they walk in darkness.
Taken
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My post was not addressing the economy. Rather I was speaking about Roles revealed by a Title.
Glory to God,
Taken
Do you believe the catching away of the Church when Jesus comes is the end? Do you believe anyone survives that? If so, on what grounds?
When Jesus catches us away (just before the great tribulation) we will be with the Lord in heaven for the seven years of the Tribulation.
Seven years for our preparation for us to return with Him to reign over the earth for the Millennium.
For He is called Lord of lords, and King of kings.
Once we are given our resurrection bodies?
Our abilities will have become far beyond what our present ability to comprehend and to grasp.
What we will be able to do, think, and accomplish will be remarkable.
But just as it is written, “Things that no eye has seen, or ear heard, or mind imagined,
are the things God has prepared for those who love him.” 1 Corinthians 2:9
are the things God has prepared for those who love him.” 1 Corinthians 2:9
grace and peace ............
David in NJ
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The Bride of Christ is NOT the Restrainer.
SEE here: 2 Thess 2:6
And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time.
For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work;
only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.
The Restrainer is either a or b
a.) The Holy Spirit
b.) Michael the Arch Angel
Neither the Holy Spirit nor Michael are removed from the earth when the Antichrist is revealed.
SEE here:
a.) Matthew12:28
If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
b.) Daniel 12:1 AND Revelation 12:7
“At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
David in NJ
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AGREE 100%
So then it is BOTH A + B
A.) We enter into the Kingdom now, when we are Born Again = John 3:1-10
Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
5Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
When we are Born-Again there is GREAT JOY in our Salvation = Fully knowing God's Love, Mercy and Forgiveness upon our spirit & soul through the Precious Blood of CHRIST
B.) Revelation 7:17
For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Upon leaving this earth to be with the LORD, our JOY is now COMPLETE as we no longer are under the persecution of Satan and this world.
IMPORTANT = A MUST come before B or we will not experience B
Who is the Holy Spirit now indwelling?
The Church.
The Body of Christ is his Church.
We will be removed.
As salt of the earth we have been a restrainer.
God uses the Church by means of the indwelling Holy Spirit as a restrainer over the ways of fallen men in a nation.
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David in NJ
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Gene this is ULTRA IMPORTANT and it will HELP you to understand even MORE
The HOLY SPIRIT will never leave a Blood Washed Saint walking with Christ
Here is the EVIDENCE = Revelation 12:11 and Rev 14:9-13
And I heard a loud voice in heaven saying:
“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of His Christ.
For the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down—
he who accuses them day and night before our God.
11They have conquered him/Satan by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony.
And they did not love their lives
so as to shy away from death.
And a third angel followed them, calling out in a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on his forehead or on his hand, he too will drink the wine of God’s anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever. Day and night there is no rest for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”
Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints, who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, “Blessed are the dead—those who die in the Lord from this moment on.”
But, collectively? The Bride of Christ is the Temple of The Restrainer!
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you,
whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with
a price. So glorify God in your body. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20
The Temple and the Restrainer shall be removed in the Rapture!
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