Pretrib fallacies

[David in NJ]

But, collectively? The Bride of Christ is the Temple of The Restrainer!

Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, ​

whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with ​

a price. So glorify God in your body. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20​

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The Temple and the Restrainer shall be removed in the Rapture!

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Gene,
There are no scriptures that speak of the Bride of Christ as the Restrainer who prevents the revealing of the Antichrist.

The revealing of the Antichrist is Ordered by GOD Directly!!!

IMPORTANT: The Bride of Christ has ZERO input in this Matter = JESUS Said so specifically!!!

Acts 1:7
So when they came together, they asked Him, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?”
Jesus replied, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority.

 

[GeneZ]

Gene this is ULTRA IMPORTANT and it will HELP you to understand even MORE

The HOLY SPIRIT will never leave a Blood Washed Saint walking with Christ.

I see what you are saying...

But, only the Bride of Christ is indwelt by the Spirit.
We are now to be manifesting His presence when a believer is matured.

During the Tribulation the Spirit will be suddenly removed from earth because of the Rapture.

It will take some time for believers to pop up.
In the mean while the Anti Christ will be able to be revealed.

None of the Tribulation believers will be indwelled as the New Creation in Christ now is.
They will walk with the Spirit as the OT believers had done, having the Spirit with them, but not in them.

There is the difference. That is why OT believers were not called a new creation.

The word 'new' creation in Christ means something new that has never been before!
Only the Bride of Christ holds that honor.

 

[David in NJ]

I see what you are saying...

But, only the Bride of Christ is indwelt by the Spirit.
We are now to be manifesting His presence when a believer is matured.

During the Tribulation the Spirit will be suddenly removed from earth because of the Rapture.

It will take some time for believers to pop up.
In the mean while the Anti Christ will be able to be revealed.

None of the Tribulation believers will be indwelled as the New Creation in Christ now is.
They will walk with the Spirit as the OT believers had done, having the Spirit with them, but not in them.

There is the difference. That is why OT believers were not called a new creation.

The word 'new' creation in Christ means something new that has never been before!
Only the Bride of Christ holds that honor.

Gotta go for now - will review this tomorrow.

BIG THANK YOU for your prayers for Daniel

Love you my brother in CHRIST
Good Night and SHALOM

 

[WPM]

When Jesus catches us away (just before the great tribulation) we will be with the Lord in heaven for the seven years of the Tribulation.
Seven years for our preparation for us to return with Him to reign over the earth for the Millennium.
For He is called Lord of lords, and King of kings.

Once we are given our resurrection bodies?
Our abilities will have become far beyond what our present ability to comprehend and to grasp.
What we will be able to do, think, and accomplish will be remarkable.

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But just as it is written, “Things that no eye has seen, or ear heard, or mind imagined, ​

are the things God has prepared for those who love him.” 1 Corinthians 2:9​

grace and peace ............

Quote Scripture that teaches a rapture of the church followed by a tribulation period followed by a 3rd coming? Failing that, quote Scripture that teaches a rapture of the church followed by a tribulation period?

 

[WPM]

I see what you are saying...

But, only the Bride of Christ is indwelt by the Spirit.
We are now to be manifesting His presence when a believer is matured.

During the Tribulation the Spirit will be suddenly removed from earth because of the Rapture.

It will take some time for believers to pop up.
In the mean while the Anti Christ will be able to be revealed.

None of the Tribulation believers will be indwelled as the New Creation in Christ now is.
They will walk with the Spirit as the OT believers had done, having the Spirit with them, but not in them.

There is the difference. That is why OT believers were not called a new creation.

The word 'new' creation in Christ means something new that has never been before!
Only the Bride of Christ holds that honor.

You are promoting what you have been taught. You cannot support it with hard Scripture. This is false teaching. You cannot present one Scripture that shows a rapture of the Church followed by a 7 yr trib followed the Pretrib imaginary 3rd coming.

Prove us wrong!!!

Where does it teach "During the Tribulation the Spirit will be suddenly removed from earth because of the Rapture"?

This extra-biblical teaching is dead.

 

[doctrox]

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During the Tribulation the Spirit will be suddenly removed from earth because of the Rapture.

Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. (Heb. 13:5)

The entity, referred to as a "he" in II Thessalonians 2, holds back the mystery of iniquity (read the spirit of the Antichrist). The early church held the restrainer to be a political power, most likely Rome (Acts 18:16), that restrained the Spirit of Antichrist that inhabited the Christ rejecting nation of Judaea. The Rapture Cult, seeking to buttress their doctrine of the church's removal, developed the idea the restrainer is the Holy Spirit, who would then be removed with the church. Scripture never shows the Holy Ghost in a martial role, but the archangel Michael is frequently seen in the militant sort of spiritual warfare required to restrain the power inherent in the rejection of Christ (See Daniel 10).

Where does it teach "During the Tribulation the Spirit will be suddenly removed from earth because of the Rapture"?

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[GeneZ]

You are promoting what you have been taught. You cannot support it with hard Scripture. This is false teaching. You cannot present one Scripture that shows a rapture of the Church followed by a 7 yr trib followed the Pretrib imaginary 3rd coming.

Prove us wrong!!!

Where does it teach "During the Tribulation the Spirit will be suddenly removed from earth because of the Rapture"?

This extra-biblical teaching is dead.

You're right. I can't.
Not with you.

Nice meeting you.
Go gaslight someone else.

 

[GeneZ]

How many Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses are here?

It may help having a dialogue with you if you make it known, please.

 

[WPM]

You're right. I can't.
Not with you.

Nice meeting you.
Go gaslight someone else.

If you had an answer you would. But you have nothing. No Pretrib has. You confirm my thesis. You confirm the Op. For that I appreciate.

Pretrib is dead.

 

[GeneZ]

Lol. If you had an answer you would. But you have nothing. No Pretrib has. You confirm my thesis. You confirm the Op. For that I appreciate.

Pretrib is dead.

I do not want an answer for you.

It will only inspire the spirits that have been inspiring you to concoct another clever work around.
After a while?... They will make you think you are a genius.
So... Why should I cause you to grow more confident into such a world of delusion?
It would be a disservice...

 

[GeneZ]

You are promoting what you have been taught. You cannot support it with hard Scripture. This is false teaching. You cannot present one Scripture that shows a rapture of the Church followed by a 7 yr trib followed the Pretrib imaginary 3rd coming.

Prove us wrong!!!

"Us?" Who is "us?"

What sect are you?

 

[WPM]

I do not want an answer for you.

It will only inspire the spirits that have been inspiring you to concoct another clever work around.
After a while?... They will make you think you are a genius.
So... Why should I cause you to grow more confident into such a world of delusion?
It would be a disservice...

You have nothing in God's Book. That is why all Pretribs run and hurl obscenities as they exit the building. Anyone who disagrees with Pretrib is controlled by devils. That is the hate your doctrine produces.

The religious accused our Savior and John the Baptist of having a devil. I am in good company.

 

[WPM]

"Us?" Who is "us?"

What sect are you?

You cannot present one single Scripture that shows a rapture of the Church followed by a 7 yr trib followed by an the imaginary 3rd coming.

The reader can see who cannot support their error. Pretrib is an extra-biblical jesuit invention. It should be rejected by all Christians.

 

[GeneZ]

You have nothing in God's Book. That is why all Pretribs run and hurl obscenities as they exit the building. Anyone who disagrees with Pretrib is controlled by devils. That is the hate your doctrine produces.

The problem I have with you is simply the strong sense of evil in how you express yourself.

After all. Jesus said we will know them by their fruit.

 

[WPM]

The problem I have with you is the strong evil in how you express yourself.

Calling out Pretrib? Seriously? You just can't handle being challenged because you have zero Scripture.

 

[GeneZ]

Calling out Pretrib? Seriously? You just can't handle being challenged because you have zero Scripture.

You missed your calling.
You should have been a radical Muslim.

 

[WPM]

You missed your calling.
You should have been a radical Muslim.

Pretribbers cannot conceal their hate for anyone who challenges their teaching. Question them and it pours out.

 

[WPM]

You missed your calling.
You should have been a radical Muslim.

I will take your hate as a complement that you have no rebuttal to the Scriptures outlined.

 

[GeneZ]

Pretribbers cannot conceal their hate for anyone who challenges their teaching. Question them and it pours out.

People have challenged my teachings all the time.
I have no problem with that.
It is your manner that bothers me.

I once knew a nasty person who you remind me of.
He thrived on nasty.
It was weird to witness to.