Pretrib fallacies
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LOL. I am simply asking basic inoffensive questions and Pretribbers are ducking around them like the plague. You interpret that as treating "everybody the same bad way." Wow! What are you trying to hide? Are you ashamed of what you believe? It seems like it.
(1) You either do not know what you believe (thus your failure to support your beliefs), or (2) you do know what you believe but do not know your Bible, or (3) you are ashamed of Pretrib (which i can understand).
Lol. You obviously have a lot to hide. I totally understand. It goes with having zero Scripture to support your doctrine. Your avoidance supports my thesis. No Pretrib can address or rebut it.
If you had Scripture you would give it. But you have nothing.
The strongest Pretrib traits are avoidance and ad hominem.
IMO Jesus reaps the land (Revelation Greek γη = land):
και εβαλεν ό καθημενος επι της νεφελης το δρεπανον αυτου επι την γην και εθερισθη η γη
"So he who sat upon the cloud swung his sickle upon the *land,* and the *land* was reaped." (Revelation 14:16)
There was no concept of planet *earth* in Biblical times.
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Jesus says in Matthew 24:35-41: “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming [Gr. parousia] of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming [Gr. parousia] of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.”
After telling us that “heaven and earth shall pass away,” Jesus immediately tells us: “of that day and hour knoweth no man.” What day and hour? The one and only final future climactic coming (or parousia) of our Lord. Please see the Greek word is used twice here in this passage. This final day that is approaching is coming unexpectedly for the lost. His arrival will surprise only those who are not prepared for it. This fits in with the “thief in the night” scenario found elsewhere in Scripture. It would seem to confirm that the day that Christ returns is the day when the current corrupt natural order (both the creature and creation) is gloriously changed. The wicked and all corruption are destroyed when Jesus comes. The Lord here identifies the passing away of “heaven and earth” with “the coming of the Son of man.”
Christ describes this day as an unanticipated day for many – one that will find many unprepared. For those who are playing at religion they will be caught on. They will face the same punishment as the “hypocrite” when He comes: “there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” The wicked are an all-inclusive group; they include every Christ-rejecter – from the religious professors to the outright profane hypocrites. They will all be caught in the destruction when they are left behind and the “heaven and earth ... pass away.”
The Lord uses the word parousia again in v 37 to equate the days preceding His coming to the days preceding Noah’s entry into the ark, saying, “as the days of Noe were, so shall also the parousia of the Son of man be.” In His reply, Christ confirmed, what the disciples already seem to have rightly comprehended, in their questioning, that His next Coming is His last and only future coming and that it ushers in “the end of the world (or age)”
We note three particular characteristics of this day, which will be repeated at the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. (1) The wicked lived as if there was no judgement coming, verse 38 says, “they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage.” (2) The wicked were caught unexpected, verse 39 says, they “knew not until the flood came.” And finally, (3) the wicked were ALL destroyed, verse 39 says, “the flood came, and took them all away.”
Thus, the second coming of the Lord shall come in like manner, verse 39 confirms, “so shall also the parousia of the Son of man be.”
- Where is the rapture "for believers" in Scripture?
- Where is the rapture "for unbelievers" in Scripture?
- Where is the rapture "for believers" in Revelation?
- Where is the rapture "for unbelievers" in Revelation?
You didn't really answer the question.
Can you take this gift if the Father doesn't give you the ability?
John 6:65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”
I have simply called out your avoidance and ad hominem. As for you, your rhetoric is vicious and venomous. Sadly, you are not convicted about it:
Talk about "The pot calling the kettle black."
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What? Read the text!
Jesus says in Matthew 24:35-41: “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming [Gr. parousia] of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming [Gr. parousia] of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.”
The removal of the current heaven and earth is here connected to the coming of the Lord. After telling us that “heaven and earth shall pass away” Jesus immediately tells us: “of that day and hour knoweth no man.” This final day that is approaching is coming unexpectedly. This fits in with the “thief in the night” scenario found elsewhere in Scripture. It would seem to confirm that the day that Christ returns is the day when the current corrupt natural order (both the creature and creation) is gloriously changed. The wicked and all corruption are destroyed when Jesus comes. The Lord here identifies the passing away of “heaven and earth” with “the coming of the Son of man.”
Dominating a conversation is not teaching.
It is why I refuse to even try to reason with you.
James 3:17 is just the opposite of your way of communicating....
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, easy to be entreated,
full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.
You manifest none of that.
Jesus says in Matthew 24:35-41: “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
He was speaking about how his words will not pass away.
Again... He was referring to how his words will not pass away.
You are really a problem here.
And may end up making this forum a place to be avoided if your ways are allowed to continue.
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