I blame the natural world for childhood cancer tsunamis and hurricanes conversely I marvel at the beauty of the natural world.
What Is the strongest argument for atheism?
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So you don’t blame God, Trump, man, or the spiritual realm for any of those things; you blame / credit mindless nature for them.
How can I possibly have beef with God?
For me that would be like having beef with Lord Voldemort.
I was merely pointing out that "look around you" is not an acceptable argument for the existence of a God.
In other words you can't credit a creator with all of the nice things and then blame cancer and natural disasters on some other thing.
I'm guessing the devil in your case.
Some agnostic / atheists do.
We both know your isn’t Jesus’ worldview.
Jesus does.
You guessed wrong.
Ok so, who or what do you blame for cancer being created?
It's either created as in "all things created by him." Or it's a natural phenomenon.
Ah I see so it's not God's faulty creation or totally natural, it's man's fault again.
This self loathing is getting a bit much....
Pain during childbirth.... Man's fault.
Brambles droughts...... Man's fault.
Not being friendly with snakes..... Man's fault.
Volcanoes.... Man's fault.
Ebola.... Man's fault.
If God is prepared to kill men women and children in natural disasters because he feels a bit rejected, then it's not a God that I'm prepared to worship. I mean, I know that the OT God is needy, I can tell that from the first four of the ten commandments.
Anyhow.... I'm so glad that all of the above are totally natural phenomenon, because if they weren't that would make your God a monster and not worthy of anyone's attention.
What I’ve learned from you is that you never possessed a sound understanding of God. I’ve further learned from you that you have no conscious desire to.
Why are you talking about a needy God? Why are you talking about God at all?
Which God?
Yahweh? Vishnu? Shiva?
You are correct I don't have a sound understanding of any of them. How can I when they're all invisible and are none interventional?
I understand that the God of the OT is needy...He tempted Abraham to kill his own son, how needy is that?
The first four commandments are about God's vanity and neediness, there is no denying those two facts.
Hi, a lightly joke -
One day a group of Darwinian scientists got together and decided that man had
come a long way and no longer needed God. So they picked one Darwinian to go and
tell Him that they were done with Him.
The Darwinian walked up to God and said, "God, we've decided that we no longer
need you. We're to the point that we can clone people and do many miraculous
things, so why don't you just go on and get lost."
God listened very patiently and kindly to the man. After the Darwinian was done
talking, God said, "Very well, how about this? Let's say we have a man-making
contest." To which the Darwinian happily agreed.
God added, "Now, we're going to do this just like I did back in the old days
with Adam."
The Darwinian said, "Sure, no problem" and bent down and grabbed himself a
handful of dirt.
God looked at him and said, "No, no, no. You go get your own dirt!!!!"
My advice - offered to anyone lacking sound understanding, not only to you - is the advice given in Proverbs: get understanding. No one is obligated to follow my advice.
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Why doesn't God tell me himself?
Why do we have to rely on a collection of books from way in the past?
Why does God need you and others tell me on street corners and the internet?
If God spoke to me directly, I'd be compelled to listen.
On top of that, direct communication cuts out all of the need for evidence.
God has never spoken to me, when I've spoken to God there was never a reply. I've asked for signs in the past, but never saw any.
It's hard to believe in a God that doesn't communicate and remains hidden.
And..... If God knows my every thought from every minute of the day then God has some massive storage capacity.
There are billions of people on this planet who have thoughts every minute of every day, all of the people over the last 2000 years who have lived and died had thoughts every minute of every day, if God has to process all of that information and store it for future reference then it's little wonder that God has no time to engage in anything else.
There are billions of people on this planet who have thoughts every minute of every day, all of the people over the last 2000 years who have lived and died had thoughts every minute of every day, if God has to process all of that information and store it for future reference then it's little wonder that God has no time to engage in anything else.
You don’t believe he exists.
We don’t.
He doesn’t.
You wouldn’t even know if it was him speaking.
A voice in the dark and you’re a believer? I don’t think so. But if it’s true, you wouuld be easy to dupe.
You know what Jesus said about those who seek signs.
He communicates and he isn’t hiding from you.
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