The Two Anointed Ones = The Two Witnesses

[Truth7t7]

When you are changed from mortality to Immortality in an instance, in a twinkling of an eye, in a flash of light, or in a millisecond, one has been resurrected from death unto eternal life and Immortality. The grave and all the dead, rotting, mortal bodies of millennia have nothing to do with it at all.

Once again, the living in Christ will be "Changed" not "Resurrected", yes your opinion is "Wrong"

1 Corinthians 15:52KJV
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

 

[Truth7t7]

Absolutely NOT!! No one has been given an eternally living soul. That theory is a blatant religious LIE.

Of course every human is given a eternal soul, your denial of this fact puts you in the belief of Jehovahs Witnesses or Seventh Day Adventust and their false doctrine of Annihilationism

 

[PeterAndroz]

Of course every human is given a eternal soul, your denial of this fact puts you in the belief of Jehovahs Witnesses or Seventh Day Adventust and their false doctrine of Annihilationism

Re Annihilation, I also used to reject it, but now I'm not so sure.
ps I'm not JW or SDA
Neither is this 10 min video
.

 

[ewq1938]

THE FACT IS: no one was able to "suffer" (cause/send) the immortal bodies of Jesus and John, after their resurrection, to be KEPT in graves.
Many of the OC saints (as was John the Baptist) also resurrected right AFTER Jesus' resurrection. Mat. 27:50-54.

The two prophets die together, not separated by years so they cannot be John and Jesus.

These are they who went up in a cloud when Jesus Ascended. Surely you don't think that all those that resurrected after Jesus, were then sent back to their graves, to DIE AGAIN?? No, they ascended with Him.

They died again like anyone who died and was resurrected because those are resurrections back to mortal life.

Whether you understand it or not, Jesus Himself was/IS "THE First Resurrection".

He is not the first resurrection of Rev 20 because that is speaking of the first of two groups that are resurrected.

Absolutely NOT!! No one has been given an eternally living soul. That theory is a blatant religious LIE.

You are still using a strawman fallacy. The soul is not created eternal. We have already discussed this.

 

[Truth7t7]

Re Annihilation, I also used to reject it, but now I'm not so sure.
ps I'm not JW or SDA
Neither is this 10 min video
.

The individual in the video clip stated that the unsaved will be judged to death, and they won't experience eternal conscious torment?

The individual in the video is a "False Teacher" as the Bible clearly teaches below that the wicked "Will Experience" eternal conscious torment

Revelation 13:4 & 8KJV
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 14:9-11KJV
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Mark 9:43-44KJV
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

 

[PeterAndroz]

The individual in the video clip stated that the unsaved will be judged to death, and they won't experience eternal conscious torment?

The individual in the video is a "False Teacher" as the Bible clearly teaches below that the wicked "Will Experience" eternal conscious torment

Revelation 13:4 & 8KJV
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 14:9-11KJV
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Mark 9:43-44KJV
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Your thoughts/interpretations are welcome & that's why I posted that clip.
ps, He does encourage and answers questions, so your input maybe of benefit to those who watch his channel

 

[Earburner]

Once again, the living in Christ will be "Changed" not "Resurrected", yes your opinion is "Wrong"

1 Corinthians 15:52KJV
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

I am not doubting what you choose to imply by your belief about "the rapture", I simply see it as a simultaneous singular event of his Glorious visible return from Heaven, as how 2 Thes. 1:7-10 delivers it, and how Jesus spoke of it in Luke 17:50-54.

Jesus is ONLY going to return ONE TIME, being that of the ONE 24 hour event, not 2 or 3 or more times!!

In Mat. 22:31-32, Jesus reveals what the resurrection is.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Jesus is not talking about those who are physically alive and breathing, as opposed to those who stopped breathing and are physically DEAD in their graves.
No! He is talking about those OC saints who were of faith in "the Promise that was to come".
Jesus Himself is that Promise.

As he said: "I AM the Resurrection and THE LIFE....".
Even upto the days of Jesus' ministry, those OC saints who died in faith, WERE STILL WAITING for that "Promise to come",... to them.
They are shown in Rev. 6:9-11 being "under the altar" of the OC, as having received the "white robe", aka the Gift of the Holy Spirit, soon after Christ's resurrection in Mat. 27:50-54; John 7:39.

Therefore, to everyone who comes to God, by having faith in Jesus, and are Born again of the Gift of God's Holy Spirit, they HAVE TAKEN PART in the First Resurrection, who is Jesus, and therefore they have been made to be "blessed and holy".
Rev. 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

We who are Born again, are they who are resurrected already, and simply are waiting in faith of His Glorious return, so that we can be made Immortal after His likeness.

So then, "do you believe it?", of what Jesus means:
"whosoever LIVETH and believeth IN ME, shall never die".
Please see KJV 1 John 5:11-13.

 

[Truth7t7]

I am not doubting what you choose to imply by your belief about "the rapture", I simply see it as a simultaneous singular event of his Glorious visible return from Heaven, as how 2 Thes. 1:7-10 delivers it, and how Jesus spoke of it in Luke 17:50-54.

Jesus is ONLY going to return ONE TIME, being that of the ONE 24 hour event, not 2 or 3 or more times!!

In Mat. 22:31-32, Jesus reveals what the resurrection is.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Jesus is not talking about those who are physically alive and breathing, as opposed to those who stopped breathing and are physically DEAD in their graves.
No! He is talking about those OC saints who were of faith in "the Promise that was to come".
Jesus Himself is that Promise.

As he said: "I AM the Resurrection and THE LIFE....".
Even upto the days of Jesus' ministry, those OC saints who died in faith, WERE STILL WAITING for that "Promise to come",... to them.
They are shown in Rev. 6:9-11 being "under the altar" of the OC, as having received the "white robe", aka the Gift of the Holy Spirit, soon after Christ's resurrection in Mat. 27:50-54; John 7:39.

Therefore, to everyone who comes to God, by having faith in Jesus, and are Born again of the Gift of God's Holy Spirit, they HAVE TAKEN PART in the First Resurrection, who is Jesus, and therefore they have been made to be "blessed and holy".
Rev. 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

We who are Born again, are they who are resurrected already, and simply are waiting in faith of His Glorious return, so that we can be made Immortal after His likeness.

So then, "do you believe it?", of what Jesus means:
"whosoever LIVETH and believeth IN ME, shall never die".
Please see KJV 1 John 5:11-13.

The word used is "Changed" not "Resurrection" I follow the simple words of scripture "Changed"

 

[Earburner]

The word used is "Changed" not "Resurrection" I follow the simple words of scripture "Changed"

Yes!!!! We shall be changed!!!
Q. But FROM what and into WHAT?
A. From MORTAL into IMMORTAL.
Which is the Resurrection that Jesus Himself underwent.

 

[Earburner]

Ok,...back to "my Two anointed ones" (Zech. 4:14), and "my Two witnessess". (Rev. 11:3).

In Zech. 3:8-9, is God talking about Jesus or John the Baptist as being the Branch?
Zech. 3:8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the Branch.
9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

 Edit:
Whoever we might think that the Branch is, he is also known as "the stone", whereby God will remove iniquity of the land in one day.
Mat. 21:42

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?