It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

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CrowCross

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I believe the Lord's return is impending, not imminent. Imminent suggests something is immediately about to happen, impending simply suggest approaching - whether near or far. None of the predictions in Rev were imminent or they would have happened 2000 years ago. At Pentecost the Gospel still hadn't gone out to the Gentiles. Christ couldn't come until it had gone to all nations. How could it have been imminent (any moment)?
It says the end will come....not that Jesus would return....art the imminent rapture.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
 

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  • Where is the rapture for believers in Scripture, followed by a trib period?
  • Where is the rapture for believers in Revelation, followed by a trib period?
The word rapture is not in Scripture.

The wording, “followed by a Trib period” might be in a toddler or Student Bible, but that wording not in an Adult Bible.

You would have to Study Scripture, find the Words for what Rapture means…

And Study Scripture to find;

WHO is appointed to suffer portions of the Trib sent from Heaven,

WHY they are appointed to suffer portions of that Trib.

WHO is NOT Appointed to suffer portions of that Trib.

WHY they are NOT Appointed to suffer portions of that Trib.

HOW They are KEPT From Suffering That Trib.

WHEN They are KEPT from suffering that Trib.

You have been told Who, Why, How, When, shown in Scripture, yet reject to Believe.
 

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yes it is. Learn the meaning of caught up and the languages it has been translated into.

Please identify where the WORD “Rapture” is in Scripture.

I am fully aware of what The WORD Rapture means and have no need to learn what I already know.
 

WPM

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It says the end will come....not that Jesus would return....art the imminent rapture.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
That is the great commission. That is ongoing. It will come to an end when Jesus comes.
 

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The word rapture is not in Scripture.

The wording, “followed by a Trib period” might be in a toddler or Student Bible, but that wording not in an Adult Bible.

You would have to Study Scripture, find the Words for what Rapture means…

And Study Scripture to find;

WHO is appointed to suffer portions of the Trib sent from Heaven,

WHY they are appointed to suffer portions of that Trib.

WHO is NOT Appointed to suffer portions of that Trib.

WHY they are NOT Appointed to suffer portions of that Trib.

HOW They are KEPT From Suffering That Trib.

WHEN They are KEPT from suffering that Trib.

You have been told Who, Why, How, When, shown in Scripture, yet reject to Believe.
Okay then. We agree. There is no pre-trib rapture.
 

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Your gaslighting is a Fail.
No we do not agree.
  • Where is the rapture for believers in Scripture, followed by a trib period?
  • Where is the rapture for believers in Revelation, followed by a trib period?
 

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  • Where is the rapture for believers in Scripture, followed by a trib period?
  • Where is the rapture for believers in Revelation, followed by a trib period?

WHO said there IS a Rapture for Believers?

WHO said there is a Rapture in Revelations?

QUOTE them and ask them.

Because, I can not Answer for what I did not say.
 

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This is the problem, happens how? When someone declares, This is symbol, and goes on to declare, sans any Scriptural authority, This is what it means, suddenly they've created their own "revelation", and will never agree with someone who takes the wording as narrative prophecy.

Personally, considering that all the other prophecies were fulfilled literally, so will these be.

Much love!
Revelation 12 and 13 then is not symbolically describing spiritual living creatures but actual physical visible creatures and a literal fulfilment according to what you just said. if you say otherwise, then you pick and choose to suit your fancies.

13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. 14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus [c]Christ.

Then [a]I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having [b]seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. 2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to [c]continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every [d]tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the [e]patience and the faith of the saints.

The Beast from the Earth​

11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.