It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

[Taken]

Your teacher is 'another spirit'... you just don't know it yet.

No clue what you are talking about and deciding for me.

My teacher IS Christ the Lord Jesus who IS Spirit…and He whom Jesus appointed whose words were written for me.

Now if you are not smart enough to realize Apostle Paul was pointing to the future resurrection time on the last day of this world when those 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 events will happen, then you really are in trouble.

Thanks for sharing you are relying on your personal irrelevant carnal intelligence to conclude the understanding of scripture…

I rely on Faith and Gods Understanding given me of His Word.

Christs (soul restored, spirit quickened) bride is summoned up TO the clouds, by the Trump of God by an archangel.

It is an “angel” who sounds the Seventh / Trump, for those Saved during the Tribulations To Rise up ON the Earth, from their Death to Living.

Don’t you know the difference Between :
The Are Saved and Will be saved?
Archangel and Angel?
Up to the clouds and up on the Earth?
Trump of God and an angels Trump?

That the Carnal Mind is Against God?
That your Carnal Mind CAN NOT understand Spiritual things?

 

[Taken]

You are arguing from silence. You have nothing.

I have everything… and Understand what I have.

You have a pocket full of dumb questions, gaslighter ploys, no understanding and possibly a sore shoulder from backpatting yourself.

Just be content you may be around to enjoy the Trib with your like/wise friends who like you reject the Lords Deliverance plan for His Church….as I am content to be with Like/wise friends and Partakers of being Wedded to our Lord…

 

[WPM]

Just be content you may be around to enjoy the Trib with your like/wise friends who like you reject the Lords Deliverance plan for His Church

This sums up your theology - sheer pettiness. No Posttribber here "rejects the Lords Deliverance plan for His Church." They reject your extra-biblical Jesuit doctrine. You have zero Scripture to support a rapture of the Church followed by some seven year tribulation followed by some third coming. You guys have admitted all this. You have nothing! Pretrib is fiction. It belongs to the Left Behind novels.

 

[Wick Stick]

Thanks. It’s a lunar calendar. Already am familiar.

It is, but there's more to it. There's components that deal with counting weeks, and watches of the days and nights. Some gematria stuff.

I'm not big on gematria.

 

[Taken]

This sums up your theology - sheer pettiness. No Posttribber here "rejects the Lords Deliverance plan for His Church." They reject your extra-biblical Jesuit doctrine. You have zero Scripture to support a rapture of the Church followed by some seven year tribulation followed by some third coming. You guys have admitted all this. You have nothing! Pretrib is fiction. It belongs to the Left Behind novels.

You are neither equipped or qualified to sum up my beliefs with your inferior understanding.

What is abundantly obvious is how little you reveal your own beliefs compared to your daily mission to provoke and Lamblast others beliefs who ARE saved and prepared according to their Lords Order and Way.

Your mission and works balance in between pitiful and bad comedy….and old and boring.

 

[Taken]

It is, but there's more to it. There's components that deal with counting weeks, and watches of the days and nights. Some gematria stuff.

I'm not big on gematria.

There is always more, but get your point of gematria…can be exhausting and tedious…
and still end up with unknown facts.

 

[WPM]

You are neither equipped or qualified to sum up my beliefs with your inferior understanding.

What is abundantly obvious is how little you reveal your own beliefs compared to your daily mission to provoke and Lamblast others beliefs who ARE saved and prepared according to their Lords Order and Way.

Your mission and works balance in between pitiful and bad comedy….and old and boring.

LOL. Says the man who cannot show one single basic element what he has been taught by his influencers.

This is all fizz and bubble.

 

[Taken]

LOL. Says the man who cannot show one single basic element what he has been taught by his influencers.

Yep my Lord is a great Spiritual influencer and Savior.

Glory to God

 

[WPM]

Yep my Lord is a great Spiritual influencer and Savior.

Glory to God

Lol. If He was your influence on end times then you definitely wouldn't be a Pretribber.

 

[Taken]

Lol. If He was your influence on end times then you definitely wouldn't be a Pretribber.

If He was your influencer, you would “understand” WHY He lifts UP OFF the Earth, His Faithful, While the Earth is being bombarded with Tribulations and Wrath from Heaven…
Same as God lifted Faithful Noah / family UP off the Earth while God bombarded the Earth with Tribulations and Wrath from Heaven.

But hey… your choice to pick, choose, what to believe and what to deny…

I’m staying with the Deliverance MY Lord has established for me (HIS SAVED) with His Word, to Raise me UP TO Him while Horrific Tribulations and Wrath bombard the Earth.

I find it astounding, men literally advocate, want and choose to be ON the Earth during the Trib… which Begins with the Wrath of the Lamb of God.
Yipes… you should wonder WHY the Lamb of God has His Wrath prepared For those ON the Earth!

 

[WPM]

If He was your influencer, you would “understand” WHY He lifts UP OFF the Earth, His Faithful, While the Earth is being bombarded with Tribulations and Wrath from Heaven…
Same as God lifted Faithful Noah / family UP off the Earth while God bombarded the Earth with Tribulations and Wrath from Heaven.

But hey… your choice to pick, choose, what to believe and what to deny…

I’m staying with the Deliverance MY Lord has established for me (HIS SAVED) with His Word, to Raise me UP TO Him while Horrific Tribulations and Wrath bombard the Earth.

I find it astounding, men literally advocate, want and choose to be ON the Earth during the Trib… which Begins with the Wrath of the Lamb of God.
Yipes… you should wonder WHY the Lamb of God has His Wrath prepared For those ON the Earth!

Jesus said in Luke 17:24-34: “For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the ‘one shall be taken’, and ‘the other shall be left’. Two women shall be grinding together; the ‘one shall be taken’, and ‘the other left’. Two men shall be in the field; the ‘one shall be taken’, and ‘the other left’. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.”

This contrast between “the days” (plural) and “day” (singular) is common in Scripture and is presented in order that we can distinguish between “the lasts days” of time and “the last day” of time, that ushers in the end. The actual day that Noah entered into the ark "the flood came, and took them all away." It was therefore an individual day that God closed the door of the Ark and by doing so damned all those that were left behind. The same will occur when our ark – Christ – arrives at the second coming.

Jesus said, in Luke 17:29-30, “the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.” This agrees with Revelation 19, 2 Peter 3 and countless other similar texts that show this fiery end to the tribulation period.

• How many wicked survived in Noah's day?
• How many wicked survived in Sodom?

The plain focus of this teaching in Luke 17 (reference Noah and Lot’s day) is the nature and degree of the judgment that befell the wicked in these two familiar Old Testament stories and especially the extent of that particular wrath. The key element and major emphasis of this discourse is the fact (speaking of the ungodly) that God “destroyed them all.” The comprehensive destruction of the wicked in both of these examples is the important lesson of the narrative; both the whole world of Noah’s day and the whole individual city of Sodom in Lot’s day saw the immediate and complete rescue of the entire righteous coupled together with the immediate and complete destruction of the entire wicked.

There's no space for your seven year tribulation. There's no space for your 3rd coming.

Christ plainly and purposefully advanced these two days, where the righteous were graciously rescued just prior to the full annihilation of the wicked, in order to vividly portray the nature and scope of the day of His wrath at the second coming. He deliberates and graphically connected the happenings of both these former days of judgment to the day of His return. Jesus succinctly said, “Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed” (Luke 17:30).

Q. Why must we “remember Lot's wife”? What befell her?

She got caught in the escape out of Sodom because her heart was still there. Despite being fully aware of the impending destruction, Lot's wife’s heart was located in Sodom and towards the awful iniquity; this was despite the fact that she also desired to be with the people of God. Notwithstanding, Genesis 19:26 says of Lot, “his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.” Her foolish refusal to once-and-for-all turn her back on Sodom caused her to be instantly and completely destroyed. Through her un-preparedness, she was immediately cast into a lost hell – damned and doomed for all eternity – without hope and without Christ.

 

[Davy]

No clue what you are talking about and deciding for me.

My teacher IS Christ the Lord Jesus who IS Spirit…and He whom Jesus appointed whose words were written for me.

If Jesus Christ were your Teacher, then you would listen to Him in His Word instead of men's false pre-trib rapture doctrine...

Matt 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV

Mark 13:24-27
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV

 

[WPM]

If He was your influencer, you would “understand” WHY He lifts UP OFF the Earth, His Faithful, While the Earth is being bombarded with Tribulations and Wrath from Heaven…
Same as God lifted Faithful Noah / family UP off the Earth while God bombarded the Earth with Tribulations and Wrath from Heaven.

But hey… your choice to pick, choose, what to believe and what to deny…

I’m staying with the Deliverance MY Lord has established for me (HIS SAVED) with His Word, to Raise me UP TO Him while Horrific Tribulations and Wrath bombard the Earth.

I find it astounding, men literally advocate, want and choose to be ON the Earth during the Trib… which Begins with the Wrath of the Lamb of God.
Yipes… you should wonder WHY the Lamb of God has His Wrath prepared For those ON the Earth!

Is the wrath of God currently upon the wicked?

 

[CrowCross]

Jesus said in Luke 17:24-34: “For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the ‘one shall be taken’, and ‘the other shall be left’. Two women shall be grinding together; the ‘one shall be taken’, and ‘the other left’. Two men shall be in the field; the ‘one shall be taken’, and ‘the other left’. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.”

This contrast between “the days” (plural) and “day” (singular) is common in Scripture and is presented in order that we can distinguish between “the lasts days” of time and “the last day” of time, that ushers in the end. The actual day that Noah entered into the ark "the flood came, and took them all away." It was therefore an individual day that God closed the door of the Ark and by doing so damned all those that were left behind. The same will occur when our ark – Christ – arrives at the second coming.

Jesus said, in Luke 17:29-30, “the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.” This agrees with Revelation 19, 2 Peter 3 and countless other similar texts that show this fiery end to the tribulation period.

• How many wicked survived in Noah's day?
• How many wicked survived in Sodom?

The plain focus of this teaching in Luke 17 (reference Noah and Lot’s day) is the nature and degree of the judgment that befell the wicked in these two familiar Old Testament stories and especially the extent of that particular wrath. The key element and major emphasis of this discourse is the fact (speaking of the ungodly) that God “destroyed them all.” The comprehensive destruction of the wicked in both of these examples is the important lesson of the narrative; both the whole world of Noah’s day and the whole individual city of Sodom in Lot’s day saw the immediate and complete rescue of the entire righteous coupled together with the immediate and complete destruction of the entire wicked.

There's no space for your seven year tribulation. There's no space for your 3rd coming.

Christ plainly and purposefully advanced these two days, where the righteous were graciously rescued just prior to the full annihilation of the wicked, in order to vividly portray the nature and scope of the day of His wrath at the second coming. He deliberates and graphically connected the happenings of both these former days of judgment to the day of His return. Jesus succinctly said, “Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed” (Luke 17:30).

Q. Why must we “remember Lot's wife”? What befell her?

She got caught in the escape out of Sodom because her heart was still there. Despite being fully aware of the impending destruction, Lot's wife’s heart was located in Sodom and towards the awful iniquity; this was despite the fact that she also desired to be with the people of God. Notwithstanding, Genesis 19:26 says of Lot, “his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.” Her foolish refusal to once-and-for-all turn her back on Sodom caused her to be instantly and completely destroyed. Through her un-preparedness, she was immediately cast into a lost hell – damned and doomed for all eternity – without hope and without Christ.

And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Will this be the same social economical economy at the end of the trib?

 

[Taken]

Jesus said in Luke 17:24-34: “For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. [/U]

And?
In the Son of man (Jesus’ Day He WAS on Earth…)
Did Lightening Occur in one Part of Earth, and Sun shine on another part of Earth?
Yes… and still Does!
So?

But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

And?
Was He Jesus (the Son of man), rejected of THAT Generation?
Yes…. and still is rejected of many of following Generations to even This generation.

And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage,

And?
When the Son of man was ON Earth,
…were people drinking? Yes
…were people marrying? Yes
…And still do.

until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Until Noah entered the Ark…
What happened the Day Noah entered the Ark?
God shut the door.
No man could enter the Ark.
No man could leave Out of the Ark.
Where was God?
“In” Heaven…
AND
“With” Noah…

Noah’s ARK, was Noah’s Safe Refuge.

What is the Parallel of Noah’s ARK and TODAY?

CHRIST (for the last 2,000 + years) IS a mans Safe Refuge…
A Man…”WITH” and “IN” CHRIST…
CHRIST…”WITH” and “IN” man…

Is a MAN “WITH” Christ… “SHUT IN”?
Has CHRST “Shut the Door” that that man CAN NOT Leave Christ?
No!

That such man…CAN exit the “door” and Leave Christ!
( He is called A TASTER. )
He Tasted the Word of God, rejected The Word of God, Spit it Out, And walked Away.
* Prime Example…Judas Iscariot…walked “WITH Jesus”… Rejected Jesus…
NEVER was an “EATER” of Gods Word.
NEVER was…”IN” Christ.
NEVER was…Christ “IN” Judas.
When Judas Spit out, Rejected Jesus, Gods Word…and Walked Away…
Christ’s DOOR was shut To Judas……That Judas Could NOT…ENTER “IN” Christ…
The Same SAFE assured Refuge…
Noah had “IN” the Ark.

Can a man… “WITH And IN” Christ Leave Christ?.. No.
Why not?
Because the Power of God, (Christ), is IN the man and KEEPS the man “IN Christ.

and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Really? This is a recap. The Actual Event was Explicitly Revealed in Ancient Scriptural History.

The actual day that Noah entered into the ark "the flood came, and took them all away."

WPM’s personal words, Changing Gods Word into a Lie.

Noah Entered “IN” the Ark.
God Shut the Door.
For Seven Days…NO Rain.

Gen 7:
[4] For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

Gen 7:
[10] And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

Where did so much Water come From?
* Rain from Above the Earth? Yes
Continued 40 days, 40 nights.
(today we can see rain also)
* Water from Below the Earth? Yes
I underground oceans burst upward…
(today we can see geyser’s)

Where DID the Safe Refuge of Noah IN the Ark GO?

UP, UP, UP…OFF the Face of The Earth went Noah IN the Ark.
How HIGH? Approx. 22 Feet
TO WHERE ? Above the Mountain tops.
WHAT IS Above the Mountain TOPS

Not a big secret…still visible Today…
CLOUDS!

What Is the Significance of CLOUDS ?
It IS, WHERE The Lower Heavens Begin.

Not sure about That Point? Scripture Tells You. Can’t find IT? ASK!

So… WHAT is Happening ON the Earth…
While Noah IS UP “IN” the Refuge of the ARK, “IN” the Lower Heavens?

Water, Flood, Death and Destruction.

And?
Are men of “this generation” Instructed to busy themselves to Build ARKS in preparation For the Next Destruction of the Earth?

No.

Is there going to BE another Horrific WORLD EVENT of Death and Destruction UP ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH?

Yes.

And What? No refuge? No Way to Escape and Be Delivered UP, UP, Up to the Clouds of The Lower Heavens, Off the Face of The Earth?

How about Climbing Up mountain? a Jet?, a Rocket?, a Satellite? a Drone? Each is up in the Lower Heavens…
Will that Save you from the NEXT Death and Destruction upon the Earth?

Maybe for a small amount of Time, until your apparatus runs out of Oxygen!

Well, well… IF a man is so inclined…
He can hear, read, learn… AN Option God HAS OFFERED men ON Earth, TO Become Prepared… (FOR an unknown TIME)… Death and Destruction SHALL once Again Come Upon the Earth and the Inhabitants ON the face of the Earth.

Any man … IF he freely chooses Gods Offering… THEN shall that man… LIKE Noah…
Enter “IN” Safe, Assured, Refuge…
And Before Wrath arrives ON Earth..
And BE Lifted UP, UP, UP above the face of the Earth, TO the Clouds…
WHILE Death and Destruction OCCURS UPON the face of the Earth… Affecting they UPON the face of the Earth.

Continued…

 

[Taken]

Continued…

Something else you Failed to Learn…
In the First Trib… Only 8 humans with their Bodily Blood NATURAL Lives were Saved.

In the Last Trib…
* The population is Billions.
* The Saving FROM Bodily Death…
Is Two Fold…

Meaning…
* The Destruction is NOT by water of the Whole Earth Quickly Destroyed.
* The Destruction IS IN increments and Specific .
* The Saving IS SPIRITUAL AND some saving of some NATURAL (man’s Blood life)
* The Spiritual Saved ARE Already Prepared.
* They Are Claimed, Lifted UP off the face of the Earth, BY Their Savior.
* WHY? Because… THEY ARE Prepared…
* Meaning?
* They ARE Already “IN” their refuge…
* They ARE “IN” Christ, Their refuge.

And they ON Earth? (NOT IN Christ?)
Playing games, working, partying, getting drunk, cheating, stealing, getting married, warring, lamblasting, accusing other men…

And Oh, Oh, an earth quake here, over there, people die, aw… whew… not in all places…
People continue the same…

A few will believe and (not die), remain mortal… called a Remnant… they have a purpose. Not discussed here.


And?
The tribulations upon the Earth increase in severity… and across wider swaths of land and inhabitants…

When a third of the worlds Trees are burnt up…
Think many men will die?

Think that will be a big world Secret?

Think Some Men will call out to God?

Think some men will die, without having called out to God?

Think some men will curse God?

Think some men will die, never having Declared / Said their belief…yet in their heart, DID Believe?

Think some men will continue to Live (in their bodily blood) Life and Believe in their Heart?

All of the Above is True… for men ON the Earth… during the Trib…

While The Prepared, WHO ATE the Lords Word of Truth;[/B]
AND
Freely by their Word Called out to Jesus, confessing their Heartful Belief;
AND
Freely surrendered their bodily Life unto Death (crucified WITH Jesus)…
AND
By Gods Power BECAME “IN” Christ;
AND
By Gods Power , Gods POWER “Entered “IN” that man”;
AND
WHY THAT MAN… Became…made Restored;
Accounted,
Faithful, True, Righteous, Saved, Quickened, and Escaped from the Earth, Delivered Up from the Earth, Risen UP, UP, UP to the Clouds of Heaven….
For what?
To meet, Be “WITH” face to face…
WHO?
They… WHO COMMITTED TO Him “with” their Word, Their Blood Life, Their Heart…
and were “MADE” Receivers of:
His Forgiveness
His Truth
His Seed
His Spirit
His Life
His Understanding
His Promise of No Wrath from Heaven FOR THEM.]/B]
His Promise to Leave the High Heaven, Descend to the Lower Heaven and BRING “TO Him,”…
His Faithful, MADE WHOLE… body (renewed/ glorified) soul (restored /saved) spirit (quickened/born again)…“IN” Christ.

Effected Before the Tribulations and Wrath upon the Earth Begins.

The Tribulations From Heaven BEGIN with WRATH…

They “IN” Saved Christ can NOT BE ON the “EARTH” suffering “WRATH”… or That Would MAKE Jesus A Liar!

Thus Just as Gods Word Teaches… They “IN” Christ ARE NOT ON Earth when the WRATH Begins!

You, others, Can Deny, Reject, Criticize, Belittle, Accuse…They “IN Christ”… repeatedly, daily, even After “They in Christ” Have been Summoned UP to The Lord IN the Clouds”…

And NOT ONE Denial, Snarky comment, shall prevent those “IN Christ”… from being Lifted UP to the Clouds to meet Their Lord…
WHILE …
Wrath, Destruction, Death, Suffering, Earthquakes, Fires, Famines, Biting Insects,
Murders, etc. Plagues the inhabitants upon the face of the Earth.

No need for you to concern yourself with obnoxious snarky remarks toward others IN Christ, that you neither believe or understand what the Lord had given and promised them.

While THEY IN Christ are EXCEPTED FROM WRATH…
They “Mortals” (as long as there Are mortals ON Earth..) have every Opportunity to Become MADE … bodily dead
AND
their Soul saved BY God
AND
their Body Resurrected Glorified.
AND
their Spirit born again.

That IS Through the Tribulations and Wrath…
AND
Through the 1,000 year Reign…
THEN
Do mortals Cease to Exist!

Rev 14:
[13] And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works…

Doubt you understand.

 

[Taken]

Is the wrath of God currently upon the wicked?

I would say no.

 

[WPM]

And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Will this be the same social economical economy at the end of the trib?

Yes. The wrath of Satan is upon the righteous during the tribulation, as it has always been, albeit, there will be an intensification of it near the end. The wrath of God is poured out upon the wicked at the one and only future coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[WPM]

And?
In the Son of man (Jesus’ Day He WAS on Earth…)
Did Lightening Occur in one Part of Earth, and Sun shine on another part of Earth?
Yes… and still Does!
So?


And?
Was He Jesus (the Son of man), rejected of THAT Generation?
Yes…. and still is rejected of many of following Generations to even This generation.


And?
When the Son of man was ON Earth,
…were people drinking? Yes
…were people marrying? Yes
…And still do.

Until Noah entered the Ark…
What happened the Day Noah entered the Ark?
God shut the door.
No man could enter the Ark.
No man could leave Out of the Ark.
Where was God?
“In” Heaven…
AND
“With” Noah…

Noah’s ARK, was Noah’s Safe Refuge.

What is the Parallel of Noah’s ARK and TODAY?

CHRIST (for the last 2,000 + years) IS a mans Safe Refuge…
A Man…”WITH” and “IN” CHRIST…
CHRIST…”WITH” and “IN” man…

Is a MAN “WITH” Christ… “SHUT IN”?
Has CHRST “Shut the Door” that that man CAN NOT Leave Christ?
No!

That such man…CAN exit the “door” and Leave Christ!
( He is called A TASTER. )
He Tasted the Word of God, rejected The Word of God, Spit it Out, And walked Away.
* Prime Example…Judas Iscariot…walked “WITH Jesus”… Rejected Jesus…
NEVER was an “EATER” of Gods Word.
NEVER was…”IN” Christ.
NEVER was…Christ “IN” Judas.
When Judas Spit out, Rejected Jesus, Gods Word…and Walked Away…
Christ’s DOOR was shut To Judas……That Judas Could NOT…ENTER “IN” Christ…
The Same SAFE assured Refuge…
Noah had “IN” the Ark.

Can a man… “WITH And IN” Christ Leave Christ?.. No.
Why not?
Because the Power of God, (Christ), is IN the man and KEEPS the man “IN Christ.


Really? This is a recap. The Actual Event was Explicitly Revealed in Ancient Scriptural History.


WPM’s personal words, Changing Gods Word into a Lie.

Noah Entered “IN” the Ark.
God Shut the Door.
For Seven Days…NO Rain.

Gen 7:
[4] For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

Gen 7:
[10] And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

Where did so much Water come From?
* Rain from Above the Earth? Yes
Continued 40 days, 40 nights.
(today we can see rain also)
* Water from Below the Earth? Yes
I underground oceans burst upward…
(today we can see geyser’s)

Where DID the Safe Refuge of Noah IN the Ark GO?

UP, UP, UP…OFF the Face of The Earth went Noah IN the Ark.
How HIGH? Approx. 22 Feet
TO WHERE ? Above the Mountain tops.
WHAT IS Above the Mountain TOPS

Not a big secret…still visible Today…
CLOUDS!

What Is the Significance of CLOUDS ?
It IS, WHERE The Lower Heavens Begin.

Not sure about That Point? Scripture Tells You. Can’t find IT? ASK!

So… WHAT is Happening ON the Earth…
While Noah IS UP “IN” the Refuge of the ARK, “IN” the Lower Heavens?

Water, Flood, Death and Destruction.

And?
Are men of “this generation” Instructed to busy themselves to Build ARKS in preparation For the Next Destruction of the Earth?

No.

Is there going to BE another Horrific WORLD EVENT of Death and Destruction UP ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH?

Yes.

And What? No refuge? No Way to Escape and Be Delivered UP, UP, Up to the Clouds of The Lower Heavens, Off the Face of The Earth?

How about Climbing Up mountain? a Jet?, a Rocket?, a Satellite? a Drone? Each is up in the Lower Heavens…
Will that Save you from the NEXT Death and Destruction upon the Earth?

Maybe for a small amount of Time, until your apparatus runs out of Oxygen!

Well, well… IF a man is so inclined…
He can hear, read, learn… AN Option God HAS OFFERED men ON Earth, TO Become Prepared… (FOR an unknown TIME)… Death and Destruction SHALL once Again Come Upon the Earth and the Inhabitants ON the face of the Earth.

Any man … IF he freely chooses Gods Offering… THEN shall that man… LIKE Noah…
Enter “IN” Safe, Assured, Refuge…
And Before Wrath arrives ON Earth..
And BE Lifted UP, UP, UP above the face of the Earth, TO the Clouds…
WHILE Death and Destruction OCCURS UPON the face of the Earth… Affecting they UPON the face of the Earth.

Continued…

You are making comparisons between Noah's day and the day that Jesus comes that Jesus Himself didn't make, in order to support Pretrib.

Firstly, God did not shut Noah and his family up in safety in the ark for 7 days as you argue. God gave Noah 7 days’ notice – allowing him to fill the ark with his family and the animals, saying, "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth" (Genesis 7:4).

Moses got 7 days notice before the rain came. In that time, he was directed to gather the animals into the ark two by two of all flesh, male and female (Genesis 6:19). He was also instructed to gather food for his family and the animals (Genesis 6:20). That gathering took one week. These 7 days would have given Noah and his family sufficient time to board all these animals unto the ark and gather sufficient food. When that was complete, God closed the door of the ark and the flood immediately came and destroyed all the wicked. Jesus confirms, “the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all” (Luke 17:27).

You make Jesus out to be a liar.

Whilst all the wicked were swept away in this flood when the ark closed, the rain continued pouring down for 40 days. What is more, the water remained on the earth 150 days in total until the ark rested on Ararat.

 

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The wrath of Satan is upon the righteous during the tribulation, as it has always been,

No.
Satan has Not Always had Authority to exhibit his Wrath upon People.

Satan has had Power to influence, to trick, people against God.

Satan WILL have a small amount of time During the Trib. To Be Wrathful Against “inhabitants” OF the Earth.

Any People on Earth who have Become “Saved” / “Righteous”… ARE Bodily Dead!

the one and only future coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Says he that umpteen times has claimed 3 comings!