Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

[Lizbeth]

There are only two words of what this is. Seer and Prophet. God spoke to me in 2000 on my trip from Arizona back to California and only said He was giving me the Office of Teacher. He didn't say He was also making me a Prophet, so I won't use that word. I've had no problem with pastors understanding the term seer. Although, I do operate in the gift of prophecy sometimes, but not enough to call myself a Prophet. I only call myself what God told me, nothing more. It limits it to seeing anointings in either white light or rich royal blue, not prophecies, except once. Instead of an anointing, what came out of the pastors head was dark billowing clouds as a backdrop to a tornado. I knew it was a dark secret sin that was tearing him up. And that's what I told him. I haven't been back to see if he's dealt with it with God.

I question the idea of God giving offices to women generally, since we are not to usurp authority over men. Gifts, yes, but not offices. Women (as well as men) can have gifts of teaching or prophecy or pastoring even in counselling and caring for souls, without having an official status. Churches in general are too formal as it is, I believe we should be functioning in the simplicity of Christ.....Jesus simply went around doing good and preaching/teaching and discipling others as He was led by the Father. And when we "come together"...Paul wrote that everyone should be participating through the gifts God has given to each one, in turn and as the Spirit leads, ideally....the body building ITSELF up in love.

Well, God works in mysterious ways, that's for sure, though it all needs to be tested and discerned.

 

[RLT63]

if we say we have no sin we decieve ourselves and there i no truth in us.

why would we want to deceive ourselves and say I am not currently sinning.. in one way or another?

the bible also says if I know to do good and do not do it. to me it is sin.

Jesus went deeper thean the law

they law says this, But I tell you that.

I don't think we can live in sinless perfection

 

[Episkopos]

I don't think we can live in sinless perfection

Why the unbelief??? Are you saying that you don't believe that with Christ you can do all that God commands???

How can you consider yourself a believer?

 

[rwb]

I don't think we can live in sinless perfection

If we could we would NOT need the Saviour.

 

[Episkopos]

If we could we would NOT need the Saviour.

A Saviour who lets us share in HIS perfection.

 

[RLT63]

A Saviour who lets us share in HIS perfection.

Only he is perfect and without sin

 

[Episkopos]

Only he is perfect and without sin

Exactly. So you need to go to Him for the perfection only He can provide.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I question the idea of God giving offices to women generally, since we are not to usurp authority over men. Gifts, yes, but not offices. Women (as well as men) can have gifts of teaching or prophecy or pastoring even in counselling and caring for souls, without having an official status. Churches in general are too formal as it is, I believe we should be functioning in the simplicity of Christ.....Jesus simply went around doing good and preaching/teaching and discipling others as He was led by the Father. And when we "come together"...Paul wrote that everyone should be participating through the gifts God has given to each one, in turn and as the Spirit leads, ideally....the body building ITSELF up in love.

Well, God works in mysterious ways, that's for sure, though it all needs to be tested and discerned.

I asked God about Paul's words and He answered my prayer immediately and told me the truth. I'm satisfied.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

God says...you have healed the hurt of My people slightly. All religious people exaggerate their true condition. I speak in UNDERstatements because the truth is too hard to bear for many here. I'm speaking to people who love to make OVERstatements.

Well holding back truth is a despicable thing.

How very presumptuous of you. That's like saying I drink plenty, I take a drop of water daily. Do you realize how much flesh is left over that needs to be overcome? Your idea of scale is way off.

Seeing as you do not know the scale I use- your presumptuousness is very apparent. Maybe you should ask someone first before opening mouth and inserting foot!

That's not true. You just stated that you find God everyday. Do you know what an overstatement is? If you truly found God you wouldn't have to seek Him every day. You would already be where He is.

Well as jesus said to pick up our cross daily, and Paul says to fdie daily, maybe my less than perfect word choice was to give you another opportunity to vomit another ad- hominem. We must choose HIm or the flesh daily.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Not now. But I have for 2 lengths of time. At first for only a few days...I couldn't handle being in Christ's perfection for what seemed like a permanent condition. The 2nd time was 18 years later and I lasted for 2.5 years. That time I blew it by not understanding righteousness. So I have been learning righteousness ever since...that was 25 years ago.

Well it is encouraging you are not deceiving yourself.

Now if you would stop presuming you know peoples souls, you would do better.

No you won't. I study for at least 3 hours a day and I read Hebrew.

Yeah I would. I h ave been walking with the Lord for over 50 years, have both a bachelors and masters, and have alibrary of hundreds of books I have read, plus manuscripts, booklets, and online videos. I study scripture 4 hours daily and go to both ethe greek and Hebrew often.

So other than writing here and producing you tube shorts, what do you do with all your studying?

 

[TitusTwoWife]

I think its common to believe spiritual perfection as a standard is discouraging.

I was always way more discouraged in believing we just had to remain in a perpetual state of sin management. When I was guilty, I would turn to major Christian speakers.

They said, "Rest in the finished work of the cross." I did. I just sinned worse. So I was in a cycle, thinking I just wasn't resting the right way.

Thankfully Scripture doesn't say that. It says to look for the way out of temptation. It says to transform your mind. It says make no provision for the flesh. It says purify yourSELF. *Strive* to enter through the narrow gate. Strive, resist, make every effort. Oh my gosh. Effort? What about "resting in the finished work of the cross"?

Not in the Bible.

 

[Episkopos]

Well it is encouraging you are not deceiving yourself.

Now if you would stop presuming you know peoples souls, you would do better.


Yeah I would. I h ave been walking with the Lord for over 50 years, have both a bachelors and masters, and have alibrary of hundreds of books I have read, plus manuscripts, booklets, and online videos. I study scripture 4 hours daily and go to both ethe greek and Hebrew often.

So other than writing here and producing you tube shorts, what do you do with all your studying?

I don't play games. You are simply accusing me of what you are doing. If you want to check out my book it's displayed in my videos.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

To me "never stumble" means perfection, but it is a long time coming from when we were first made sinless of sins unto death. This is why I never put sinless and perfection together as "sinless perfection." On the narrow path toward salvation, sinlessness is at the beginning and perfection is at the end. Then and only then is there "sinless perfection" when the two are complete. Committing sins due to immature fruit are not sins unto death, but sins not unto death; however, maturing fruit is necessary for salvation.

Amen. I believe Ive stopped all sins unto death. My husband has too.

I went from being unable to stop sinning to not really thinking about desiring it. I just want to be in God's Spirit all the time. No breaks.

 

[Episkopos]

I think its common to believe spiritual perfection as a standard is discouraging.

I was always way more discouraged in believing we just had to remain in a perpetual state of sin management. When I was guilty, I would turn to major Christian speakers.

They said, "Rest in the finished work of the cross." I did. I just sinned worse. So I was in a cycle, thinking I just wasn't resting the right way.

Thankfully Scripture doesn't say that. It says to look for the way out of temptation. It says to transform your mind. It says make no provision for the flesh. It says purify yourSELF. *Strive* to enter through the narrow gate. Strive, resist, make every effort. Oh my gosh. Effort? What about "resting in the finished work of the cross"?

Not in the Bible.

The problem in the Babylonian system is that there is no distinction made between righteousness and holiness. It's all just name and claim. What usually ends up happening is that people who attend such places learn to have neither.

The real war is against the saints. The system churches teach different ways to destroy the idea of saints...the most popular way to is claim everybody already is one. The other is to deny the power of salvation in the one who is translated into the kingdom realm. Those who have such experience are ostracized. Very few are headed for glory. The truth is that the standard of God's mercy is not that hard. All one needs to do is to be honest, humble, serve others, fear God and do righteousness....these things count as KNOWING GOD...even if a person has never encountered the Lord.

Shalt thou reign, because thou closest thyself in cedar? did not thy father (Josiah) eat and drink, and do judgment and justice, and then it was well with him? He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well with him: was not this to know me? saith the Lord. Jer 22:13

 

[TitusTwoWife]

The problem in the Babylonian system is that there is no distinction made between righteousness and holiness.

You are another person calling the modern churches Babylon. The other was also against what modern western Christianity has become. I will have to look into Babylon more.

 

[Episkopos]

You are another person calling the modern churches Babylon. The other was also against what modern western Christianity has become. I will have to look into Babylon more.

Babylon is about buying and selling souls....religious marketing and giving product names so people can shop and buy. The business model of church. AKA Churchianity.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

Babylon is about buying and selling souls....religious marketing and giving product names so people can shop and buy. The business model of church. AKA Churchianity.

I see. So the mark of the beast is just an extension of that.

Its amazing how Scripture predicted false teachers would lead people astray and make merchandise of them. Now we have tithing, which was never a New Testament practice.

 

[Episkopos]

I see. So the mark of the beast is just an extension of that.

I'm planning on doing an episode on the mark of the beast.

Its amazing how Scripture predicted false teachers would lead people astray and make merchandise of them. Now we have tithing, which was never a New Testament practice.

The principle of tithing is not a bad one. It is of the Lord. We are each responsible to give what and when we feel is right. The 10% is a guideline.

The only problem with tithing is what it is being used for...supporting dubious ministries and paying for empty buildings. Jesus lived off donations. Supporting saints was always something very honourable. Paul encourages it.

A man who works in kingdom things should be supported (no salary just support). No man goes to war at his own expense.

I think supporting the Babylonian system with the tithe is the problem. The tithe is to God...according to the need of the poor and the kingdom workers.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

I'm planning on doing an episode on the mark of the beast.

The principle of tithing is not a bad one. It is of the Lord. We are each responsible to give what and when we feel is right. The 10% is a guideline.

The only problem with tithing is what it is being used for...supporting dubious ministries and paying for empty buildings. Jesus lived off donations. Supporting saints was always something very honourable. Paul encourages it.

A man who works in kingdom things should be supported (no salary just support). No man goes to war at his own expense.

I think supporting the Babylonian system with the tithe is the problem. The tithe is to God...according to the need of the poor and the kingdom workers.

The expectation of compulsary giving to support building funds and pastors salaries is what Ive come to associate with tithing. But if you give your 10 percent directly to those in need, that is more like tithing in the Old Testament. No wrong in that.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I don't think we can live in sinless perfection

yes!

sadly some preach if we do not. we will not go to heaven.

To many want to pat themselves on the back