Connecting the dots = a pre-tribulation rapture.

[Taken]

He comes with all the Holy Angels with him in the Glory of his Father. Not the glorified bride.

Disagree…
I consider…
*All alive ON earth (but a very few excepted in Gods service) shall suffer the tribulations and wraths from heaven)
* why would the committed faithful be required to suffer those things?
* point of Rapture FOR THEM.
* fulfill the Jewish Marriage protocol…
Particularly…
Bride…readies herself. (Committed / Sav-ED)
Groom…sends servant to take Bride from her father’s house to Grooms fathers house.
Grooms Father Blesses their Wed-Lock.
Veil is lifted, Groom sees his Bride /Wife, greets her face to face with a kiss.
Takes his Bride to his prepared home.
A “marriage celebration feast” ensues with invited guests ( sometimes lasting 7 days ).

Same scenario, when Tribulations and Wraths / Anger is Sent down from Heaven…

Per them Saved IN Christ…they are Not Appointed, Required, To be present ON earth during …Tribulations, Anger, Wraths sent from Heaven upon the Earth.

They “raptured”, Return with their Groom to his Prepared house… Christ Jesus Earthly Kingdom.

The souls of those believers who are under his care will then be raised, and along with the living saints will be glorified with a body like his glorified body, Marriage made in heaven.

Christs bride is summoned to Him…
There shall be spiritual Anger, Wrath’s, Tribulations upon the Earth…
And a great number of humans , turning TO God shall be killed and soul saved, during those days…
The Groom, Jesus, has delivered, escaped, protected His Bride…via… the Rapture.
And His Bride is Forever with Him, where-ever He Goes.

All authority in heaven and earth as judge being the glorified Son of man.

Sure.

Acts 17
30 Therefore God overlooked and disregarded the former ages of ignorance; but now He commands all people everywhere to repent

Bride accomplished.

[that is, to change their old way of thinking, to regret their past sins, and to seek God’s purpose for their lives], 31 because He has set a day when He will judge the inhabited world in righteousness by a Man whom He has appointed and destined for that task, and He has provided credible proof to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”

Yes.

That day is his second coming when the Lord comes to raise and glorify us the last day.

“Us”… not me…
Not necessary for the Lord to “DO”, that which He already Accomplished…”saved His Bride”

Welcome to the NHNE where only righteousness will dwell. Amen.

NHNE?

 

[CrowCross]

When Jesus first promised to come back again in the Gospels, where does he refer to returning on a white horse???

Rev 19

 

[CrowCross]

Can you produce ANY scriptural evidence that shows that the rapture occurs BEFORE the 7 years begin.

Thanks.

2 Thes 2

 

[CrowCross]

A white horse is not needed when he left. The prophecy is only that he ascended up, and he will descend down. He can leave alone with no horse and return on a horse and with an army.

Acts 1 says Jesus will return the way He left...AND NO WHITE HORSE WAS MENTIONED.

 

[The Light]

2 Thes 2

Here is 2 Thes 2

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

I see nothing about a rapture or the Church or 7 years. Can you clarify?

Maybe it's the wrong verse?

Thanks

 

[CrowCross]

Here is 2 Thes 2

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

I see nothing about a rapture or the Church or 7 years. Can you clarify?

Maybe it's the wrong verse?

Thanks

The verses speak of the gathering (rapture) and the removal of the restrainer prior to the antichrist being revealed....which begins the tribulation.

The verse also mentions a departure which has also been translated as apostasy ...a standing aside...which indicates a removal of Christians prior to the tribulation.

 

[The Light]

The verses speak of the gathering (rapture) and the removal of the restrainer prior to the antichrist being revealed....which begins the tribulation.

The verse also mentions a departure which has also been translated as apostasy ...a standing aside...which indicates a removal of Christians prior to the tribulation.

The Church will not be removed before the 7 years begin. However, we will be removed before the great tribulation. And the 12 tribes will be removed at the 6th seal before the wrath of God. Also, there is no 7 year tribulation.

Thanks for the explanation.

 

[The Light]

Yes, it's future...so is the rapture and then 7 years later the Rev 19 return.

I have yet to find a verse that shows the rapture of the Church is before the 7 years. It is before the great tribulaiton.

 

[CrowCross]

The Church will not be removed before the 7 years begin. However, we will be removed before the great tribulation. And the 12 tribes will be removed at the 6th seal before the wrath of God. Also, there is no 7 year tribulation.

Thanks for the explanation.

I disagree. We've been over this numerous times.

 

[CrowCross]

I have yet to find a verse that shows the rapture of the Church is before the 7 years. It is before the great tribulaiton.

The wrath begins in Rev 6 with the white horse..followed by the red, black and aspen horses.

 

[The Light]

I disagree. We've been over this numerous times.

Yes. There is no scriptural proof to statements about the Church being in heaven before the 7 years begin. Absolutely none.

Also, according to scripture there only remains 3.5 years in the 70th week of Daniel, time, times and half a time.

The Church will be raptured before the great tribulation as the great tribulation is the time of Jacobs trouble.

And no.............the great tribulation is NOT the same as the wrath of God.

 

[CrowCross]

Yes. There is no scriptural proof to statements about the Church being in heaven before the 7 years begin. Absolutely none.

Also, according to scripture there only remains 3.5 years in the 70th week of Daniel, time, times and half a time.

The Church will be raptured before the great tribulation as the great tribulation is the time of Jacobs trouble.

And no.............the great tribulation is NOT the same as the wrath of God.

The great tribulation is generally accepted as the final 3 1/2 years of the 7 year tribulation.
If you don't want to accept it...then so be it.

 

[The Light]

The wrath begins in Rev 6 with the white horse..followed by the red, black and aspen horses.

Absolutely. The Church is in heaven before the seals are opened.

The Antichrist will confirm a 7-year covenant with many. That means that he strengthens a 7 year covenant. We do not know how long after the 7-year covenant with many is in effect before the Antichrist strengthens it. It can be up to 3 years after the covenant is made.

 

[The Light]

The great tribulation is generally accepted as the final 3 1/2 years of the 7 year tribulation.
If you don't want to accept it...then so be it.

Yes, just like it is generally accepted that the 70th week of Daniel never began. However, the scripture tells us that Messiah is cut off after 70 and one half weeks. There only remains 3.5 years in the 70th week of Daniel.

As for the great tribulation being 3.5 years, that is totally incorrect according to scripture.

That's because most think that the great tribulation is the same thing as the wrath of God.

That's incorrect. The great tribulation is when believers which will be mostly Jews are killed by the dragon. The wrath of God is when God punishes an unbelieving world.

We know that the wrath of God lasts ONE YEAR..........after the great tribulation is over.

 

[CrowCross]

Absolutely. The Church is in heaven before the seals are opened.

That supports a pre-trib rapture.

The Antichrist will confirm a 7-year covenant with many. That means that he strengthens a 7 year covenant. We do not know how long after the 7-year covenant with many is in effect before the Antichrist strengthens it. It can be up to 3 years after the covenant is made.

 

[CrowCross]

Yes, just like it is generally accepted that the 70th week of Daniel never began. However, the scripture tells us that Messiah is cut off after 70 and one half weeks. There only remains 3.5 years in the 70th week of Daniel.

As for the great tribulation being 3.5 years, that is totally incorrect according to scripture.

That's because most think that the great tribulation is the same thing as the wrath of God.

That's incorrect. The great tribulation is when believers which will be mostly Jews are killed by the dragon. The wrath of God is when God punishes an unbelieving world.

We know that the wrath of God lasts ONE YEAR..........after the great tribulation is over.

If you say so. I don't.

 

[The Light]

That supports a pre-trib rapture.

Right. Pre great tribulation. But there are no scriptures that support the Church being raptured before the 7 years begin. In fact, there is proof that the Church is not in heaven before the 7 years begin.

 

[The Light]

If you say so. I don't.

No. I don't say so. The scripture says so.

There are so many things that have passed down that are not scriptural iT boggles the mind.

Such as there is no scripture that says there is a 7 year tribulation. NONE.

 

[CrowCross]

Right. Pre great tribulation. But there are no scriptures that support the Church being raptured before the 7 years begin. In fact, there is proof that the Church is not in heaven before the 7 years begin.

If that's what you need to believe...have at it.

 

[The Light]

If that's what you need to believe...have at it.

Ok. Produce the scripture that says that the Church will be in heaven before the 7 years begin.

Produce the scripture that says that the tribulation is 7 years long.

YOU CAN'T.

That's because the scripture says that the Church is still here when the 7 years begin.